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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Icelandic doesn't let you say that without context. Well, not well at least, as that google translation is technically correct but sounds, wrong.

I'm making 4 in the morning frowny faces over this.

If what you mean is that "You can't get anything without sacrificing" then it's "Ekkert fæst án fórnar" but if you mean "Nothing comes into existence without something being sacrificed" then it might go "Ekkert verður til án fórnar" but that is, odd. If you mean "Without sacrifice it's meaningless" then you could do "Án fórnar er ekkert" which would be literally "Without sacrifice there is nothing" but again, it's grammatically dodgy because it's shorn of context.

Oh yeah and "Fórnar" is "Sacrifice" but if it's plural or an ongoing thing you use "Fórna" like in the google translation

Also sorry about late reply, kinda forget this thread at times and haven't been home much.

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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Ain't no thang son, I'm always here to be helpful

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Tias posted:

Post that poo poo when you're done
hahaha lol that is the absolutely weakest red-text I've ever seen

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
No, last election brought in what is arguably the most right-wing government we've ever had!

We have actual libertarians in the halls of power now, not just dumb neoliberals

Including at least one in the opposition

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

fantastic in plastic posted:

Were necropants (the internet says the word is nábrók?) ever a real thing someone made, or is it just a folktale?
There's a at least one left that's in a museum.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
We've certainly killed people for lesser reasons and done more stupid things on the promise of money.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

punk rebel ecks posted:

What is this I hear about Iceland practicing anarchy in the old days?
That's a pretty complex question tbh

I guess it goes down to how we had a variant of the big-man societal form a fair while longer than the rest of Europe and failed to feudalize properly. We did have laws and sometimes they were even followed but yeah, there was no central authority or state as such.

Retroactively giving it the status of anarchy is, hrrmm. Idk, you could I suppose.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Tias posted:

I heard somewhere you had a law on the books saying it was legal to kill a Turkish person until the seventies or something, is that right?

Allegedly because of the many Ottoman slave raids on Iceland, and it was just kind of forgotten about.
yeah but they only really changed it because the Turkish national team was coming and thought it might be good to get that off the books

It woulda made an interesting hypothetical, to see what woulda happened had someone murdered a Turkish person before the law was abolished

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
airbnbs an hotels y'all, gotta grab that delicious tourist ISK

also Reykjavík being the only municipality to actually be building poo poo and that's not really the social housing we need (tho better than nothing)

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Bourgeois landowning class here too and I gotta say that sometimes it's been real tempting to pay up the loan on this place by turning it into a hotel-lite but all our tenants are good people (except one but he's being kicked out) so I'd just feel awful throwing them out to the wolves like that

Though arguing with Icelanders about it can be awful "oh but its just the way the market is! the market can't be immoral!"

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

poopinmymouth posted:

Nothing has been more frustrating for me as an American transplant to Iceland to see how much hypocrisy or dueling ideas Icelanders can hold. Super moral society overall, one of the main reasons I moved here, but then you can find yourself arguing with an Icelander about basic human dignity and wonder how they got so hosed up.
That's really anywhere tho and of all the Nordics Icelanders are probably the least racist ironically because we're the most American.

That may gently caress up our lives in other, different ways but means that unlike a huge swathe of the mainland we seem to have intuited that racism, y'all, is bad, and ya shouldn't do it. This means that the overt and really hosed up stuff regarding muslims, rroma and others isn't as prominent here. (though there's still a shitload of it around, just not as open. we still haven't had any successful societal talks like in the US on this stuff. Maybe the new orgs might...)

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Osama Dozen-Dongs posted:

Are there actually enough of them around to prompt people to be racist out loud about them?
Muslims; yeah, Rroma, no.

We did have some Irish travellers but we unlawfully kicked them out if I remember right. Though I'm happy to report that a lot of Icelanders that move abroad are very quick to integrate into the most racist crowds they can and unironically talk about "those drat immigrants/foreigners". (Like some of may family! Yay!)

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

poopinmymouth posted:

It's really weird witnessing Icelandic racism coming from America. The best way to describe it (and I'd apply this to Germany too) is that Icelandic society is less racist, but Icelanders themselves, when racist, are way more vocal about it. Think your super right wing grandpa that forwards crazy emails. My FiL had a book on his table about the "muslim invasion" IN ICELANDIC on his coffee table. And people won't hesitate to say something super racist in polite company, because as you said, there has never really been a societal talk about it, so people don't really know what they're "supposed" to keep to themselves and only pull out when you're sure everyone present is a KKK member.

I've also found most Icelanders are under the mistaken impression they have no racism in their history, when a professor at the university of Iceland (forget his name) has well documented the governments refusal to take jewish asylum seekers in ww2 (complete with ultra racist newspaper clippings making rat comparisons) and the wink wink agreement with the USA not to station any troops of color in Keflavik. Plus let's not forget the much more modern instance of complaining of Iceland sending an "ape" to give our Euro-vision song contest votes. (a mixed race icelandic native musician was chosen to call in)
Yeah, I've had that too. Like, Útvarp Saga level poo poo where the person is talking poo poo about foreign people next to my now ex and not seeing anything wrong with it.

Also yea, lol, the Jew boat is something everyone finds out about after school and is like "drat" because gently caress knows the Independence party, which absorbed the Icelandic Nazi party doesn't want people talking about it

Demiurge4 posted:

Well I got my own place now (roommate moving out, I convinced the landlord to let me keep it). Now I just gotta fit 120k into my budget somehow.
less rúgbrauð with butter

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Lol hanging around with a buncha working class and right wing folk mosta my life means I never had the benefit of living in the bubble some folks do.

Most, of course, aren't raging racists, but those that are are almost never really challenged. And I would say it's more of a class thing, because the educated and better off folks were less bigoted in general; they didn't care if you were black or gay so long as you weren't poor.

Racism is more of an old time-y XD thing, or just plain ole XB

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Nuclear War posted:

Hey Penguin, do you have an email or something you'd be willing to part with? I mentioned this thread to my wife and she suggested we pick your brain about spending a few years on Iceland culture and such wise?
yeah, the one I made for occasions like that was malcowitz at gmail.com
FS got it in one

I ain't much for going out these days anyhow. Getting old and decrepit. :(

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Lol wtf aren't you Nordic??

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
I always thought it was a remnant of an old pan-nordic free travel deal and not Schengen, because it pre-dated it.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011

Tias posted:

Yeah, but in that case he manages to do the very rare thing and avoid border controls. If you're taken in the German side of the border without a passport or driver's licence, it's a 35€ fine. Denmark will even go as far as to bar you entry if they suspect you're not a citizen.
No, he just happens to Nordic. (For the Norway/Denmark part at least~)

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
It got that ole timey archaic sound but is grammatically correct. More modern and direct I guess would be "Án fórnar fæst ekkert"?

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
Here's my predicition:

The Peoples Party, suddenly revealing their Stalinist tendencies, will execute a bloody revolution in parliament, when their wheelchairs and canes are revealed to be made entirely out of AK-47s and bullets.

Revealing that their school of Marxism says that the only true proletariat are the disabled, we will all be forced into disability, with special exceptions made for moral disabilities (such as being a sociopath, psychopath or right wing).

We will then enter a new, utopian state of existence.


also what a time to decide to take a few days off and go into the countryside....

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Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
The people's party has grabbed a firm hold on the disabled and aged vote, which used to be all for Samfó. It's also getting the people who vote for every new party because FJÓRFLOKKURINNNNNN

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