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Elias_Maluco: Aug 23, 2007; I need to sleep

jony neuemonic posted:

i know this is going to sound pedantic as hell but, it's not html and react components are your templates. this guy's blog post explains it better than i probably can.

Fair enough, but still it looks ugly as sin and is not the most readable template, specially if you open it on an editor that doesn't know JSX

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Weekend Bridges: Apr 8, 2015; by Smythe

i think everyone has that same gut reaction about jsx, i sure did but i have stockholm syndrome now so i don't mind it. i also write most of my components as functions of their props rather than classes, eg

code:

const ShoppingList = ({ name }) => (
  <div className="shopping-list">
    <h1>Shopping List for { name }</h1>
    <ul>
      <li>Instagram</li>
      <li>WhatsApp</li>
      <li>Oculus</li>
    </ul>
  </div>
)

that's an es6 style function and it uses destructuring in the lambda list, '({ x }) => x' is the same as

code:

function(args) {
  var x = args.x
  return x
}

(es6 style functions work differently with 'this' too but you can't see that here)

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brap: Aug 23, 2004; Grimey Drawer

react taught me that shoehorning a markup language into a programming language is much better than shoehorning a programming language into a markup language

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comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

actually pretty much everyone knows that offshore is costing us money and is at best about 60% as efficient as onshore, but the entire company is completely paralysed by its obsession with budgets so therefore we carry on

this is my experience as well, but bean counters dont factor it into their analysis and only see the tiny salaries they can pay for a bundle of offshore developers

they don't consider the large communication overhead arising from different timezones and culture

they don't consider the immense amount of time that the onshore developers have to use to train and fix the fuckups of offshore

they don't consider the increased cost due to lower quality software

the only real justification you can use is that you have another labor pool of talent to hire from, but typically the talented in india command higher wages that bean counters don't want to pay or they immigrate to other countries

# ? Oct 29, 2016 18:16

comedyblissoption: Mar 15, 2006

fleshweasel posted:

react taught me that shoehorning a markup language into a programming language is much better than shoehorning a programming language into a markup language

i've still had to look at xslt across multiple jobs

xslt is a very terrible idea

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fleshweasel posted:

react taught me that shoehorning a markup language into a programming language is much better than shoehorning a programming language into a markup language

exactly. "instead of reimplementing javascript features in a templating language, just use the javascript features"

# ? Oct 29, 2016 18:22

Maluco Marinero: Jan 18, 2001; Damn that's a
fine elephant.

fleshweasel posted:

react taught me that shoehorning a markup language into a programming language is much better than shoehorning a programming language into a markup language

I never thought of it this way, but this is bang on. templating systems are just full of indirections to make them configurable enough to actually do what you want to, and beyond reliable escaping they always seem to fall short of how you'd like to express things.

# ? Oct 29, 2016 22:56

leftist heap: Feb 28, 2013; Fun Shoe

Elias_Maluco posted:

Fair enough, but still it looks ugly as sin and is not the most readable template, specially if you open it on an editor that doesn't know JSX

an angular 1 app of any size is going to be 10x more ugly

# ? Oct 29, 2016 23:21

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

youll get over jsx seeming bad after using it

it's still bad of course but as bad things go, it's pretty good

# ? Oct 29, 2016 23:40

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

comedyblissoption posted:

this is my experience as well, but bean counters dont factor it into their analysis and only see the tiny salaries they can pay for a bundle of offshore developers

they don't consider the large communication overhead arising from different timezones and culture

they don't consider the immense amount of time that the onshore developers have to use to train and fix the fuckups of offshore

they don't consider the increased cost due to lower quality software

the only real justification you can use is that you have another labor pool of talent to hire from, but typically the talented in india command higher wages that bean counters don't want to pay or they immigrate to other countries

yeah pretty much. just because your spreadsheet says that that person is costing less doesnt mean that they're delivering the same value per $, this is why every hosed up enron or lehman company has a pile of accountants going 'well our figures said they were ok so idk"

also yeah, i have seen genuinely good people but they all either a) leave to get paid more or b) transfer to an onshore location which defeats the point entirely.

anyway i have decided to be 'good cop' and instead of forcing my own arbitrary coding preferences on them im going to try and instigate a shift by forcing them to innovate by picking one system area to refactor and do at least some basic code reviews on it. I'll also tell them that we're shifting to whole app to mvc piece by piece so they should get learning.

if this fails ill just set the min commit comment size to 500 chars and then revoke their svn access if they don't comply

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

yeah pretty much. just because your spreadsheet says that that person is costing less doesnt mean that they're delivering the same value per $, this is why every hosed up enron or lehman company has a pile of accountants going 'well our figures said they were ok so idk"

also yeah, i have seen genuinely good people but they all either a) leave to get paid more or b) transfer to an onshore location which defeats the point entirely.

anyway i have decided to be 'good cop' and instead of forcing my own arbitrary coding preferences on them im going to try and instigate a shift by forcing them to innovate by picking one system area to refactor and do at least some basic code reviews on it. I'll also tell them that we're shifting to whole app to mvc piece by piece so they should get learning.

if this fails ill just set the min commit comment size to 500 chars and then revoke their svn access if they don't comply

Adds missing functionality, fixes many problems.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

# ? Oct 30, 2016 00:18

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Adds missing functionality, fixes many problems.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................

dont dox my commits thx

actually, also a good description of my day at work. fix some bugs, add some features, stare at the wall until enough time has passed to leave

# ? Oct 30, 2016 00:26

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

my company is de-offshoring a angular 1.x webapp and im one of hte lucky ones taking it over.

every git commit message is "chnge" and they hand-edit 3rd party minified CSS/JS like bootstrap, to add in stuff specific to this app straight into bootstrap.min.css

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Progressive JPEG: Feb 19, 2003

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

dont dox my commits thx

actually, also a good description of my day at work. fix some bugs, add some features, stare at the wall until enough time has passed to leave

why arent you leaving now

it sounds like a real shithole there and youve currently got options whether you realize it or not

e: overall it sounds like youre wasting your time with this company tbh

e2: to be clear you should only actually leave once you have a signed offer from your next employer -- dont leave before then

Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 00:57 on Oct 30, 2016

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

Flat Daddy posted:

hand-edit 3rd party minified CSS/JS

whyyy

it's like deploying bugfix to obfuscated code

# ? Oct 30, 2016 00:58

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

well the good news is AmigaOS has a built-in IFF parser and ILBM isn't a complicated format

the bad news is I have to figure out how to decode PackBits RLE data into chip memory and shovel it at the Copper to draw SKULL_TRUMPET.IFF

# ? Oct 30, 2016 01:03

Flat Daddy: Dec 3, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

cinci zoo sniper posted:

whyyy

it's like deploying bugfix to obfuscated code

i swear, they even added comments to explain one of the changes (relatively nice of them), so i know they werent editing + minifying it outside of source control and just copying it back in.

it really looks like the output of someone who has no loving idea about web dev at all, not even basic jquery*, and they had a strict requirement to add an angularJS frontend.

* somewhere they wrote: angular.element(document.querySelectorAll('.thing'));

literally everywhere i look in the source, theres an amazing coding horror ive never seen anywhere else

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cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

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Flat Daddy posted:

i swear, they even added comments to explain one of the changes (relatively nice of them), so i know they werent editing + minifying it outside of source control and just copying it back in.

it really looks like the output of someone who has no loving idea about web dev at all, not even basic jquery*, and they had a strict requirement to add an angularJS frontend.

* somewhere they wrote: angular.element(document.querySelectorAll('.thing'));

literally everywhere i look in the source, theres an amazing coding horror ive never seen anywhere else

this is pretty amazing

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eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Luigi Thirty posted:

well the good news is AmigaOS has a built-in IFF parser and ILBM isn't a complicated format

the bad news is I have to figure out how to decode PackBits RLE data into chip memory and shovel it at the Copper to draw SKULL_TRUMPET.IFF

does the QuickDraw source code that was released not contain an optimized 68K PackBits/UnpackBits implementation?

edit: it does, see Bitmaps.a and search for PROCEDURE UnpackBits

eschaton fucked around with this message at 03:51 on Oct 30, 2016

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Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

eschaton posted:

does the QuickDraw source code that was released not contain an optimized 68K PackBits/UnpackBits implementation?

edit: it does, see Bitmaps.a and search for PROCEDURE UnpackBits

oh duh forgot about that

i had to adapt it slightly because QuickDraw knows how long the result should be (one scanline worth of bytes) while with an ILBM bitmap we know how long the compressed source is (the length of the BODY chunk) but not the result size

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Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

Progressive JPEG posted:

why arent you leaving now

it sounds like a real shithole there and youve currently got options whether you realize it or not

e: overall it sounds like youre wasting your time with this company tbh

e2: to be clear you should only actually leave once you have a signed offer from your next employer -- dont leave before then

well i was exaggerating a bit there tbh

i get annoyed enough to look for another job about every 3 months but then settle back down because i get paid well and actually have an insane amount of freedom in what i do day to day. there's just the usual large corporate bullshit of offshoring, incompetence and bureaucracy to put up with

Flat Daddy posted:

they hand-edit 3rd party minified CSS/JS like bootstrap, to add in stuff specific to this app straight into bootstrap.min.css

also holy poo poo it could be worse lol

# ? Oct 30, 2016 10:06

Soricidus: Oct 21, 2010; freedom-hating statist shill

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

also holy poo poo it could be worse lol

i think you mean "couldn't", unless your imagination is a lot more twisted than mine

# ? Oct 30, 2016 10:23

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Luigi Thirty posted:

but not the result size

how

# ? Oct 30, 2016 12:17

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

Powerful Two-Hander posted:

well i was exaggerating a bit there tbh

i get annoyed enough to look for another job about every 3 months but then settle back down because i get paid well and actually have an insane amount of freedom in what i do day to day. there's just the usual large corporate bullshit of offshoring, incompetence and bureaucracy to put up with

also holy poo poo it could be worse lol

it is actually possible to dynamically modify the contents of a stylesheet using javascript

# ? Oct 30, 2016 12:30

cinci zoo sniper: Mar 15, 2013

i want to kill everyone involved in sphinx documentation for sphinx being acceptable

e: ok, it's not that bad, but they certainly didn't concern themselves with providing more than a mere reference

e2:

good lord who did and still thinks that was a great idea to write docs. thanks google and scipy for more sensible dosctring style guides

e3:

Python code:

return ((x, y, z)
          for x in xrange(5)
          for y in xrange(5)
          if x != y
          for z in xrange(5)
          if y != z)

cinci zoo sniper fucked around with this message at 17:32 on Oct 30, 2016

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Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

well here's where we're at so far

# ? Oct 30, 2016 18:10

Powerful Two-Hander: Mar 10, 2004; Mods please change my name to "Tooter Skeleton" TIA.

Soricidus posted:

i think you mean "couldn't", unless your imagination is a lot more twisted than mine

no i mean like my life could be worse because i dont have to deal with that kind of poo poo (yet)

qntm posted:

it is actually possible to dynamically modify the contents of a stylesheet using javascript

what an excellent way of introducing difficult to find bugs, thanks javascript!

Powerful Two-Hander fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Oct 30, 2016

# ? Oct 30, 2016 18:12

darthbob88: Oct 13, 2011; YOSPOS

qntm posted:

it is actually possible to dynamically modify the contents of a stylesheet using javascript

You can also create a new stylesheet in JS, which I had to do on a previous project.

# ? Oct 30, 2016 19:09

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Oct 30, 2016

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Jerry Bindle: May 16, 2003

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

# ? Oct 30, 2016 23:19

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

meets specs, ship it

# ? Oct 30, 2016 23:51

qntm: Jun 17, 2009

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

rewrite the error messages so they say "thanks for using my program!" like they famously did for Wing Commander

# ? Oct 30, 2016 23:58

jesus WEP: Oct 17, 2004

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without redooting

# ? Oct 31, 2016 00:59

jony neuemonic: Nov 13, 2009

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

dang.

# ? Oct 31, 2016 02:01

Captain Foo: May 11, 2004; we vibin'
we slidin'
we breathin'
we dyin'

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

Fully sick

# ? Oct 31, 2016 02:54

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

also the custom Amiga I'm ordering is assembled and tested and on its way to my house

I'll post pics of it running on real hardware lol

# ? Oct 31, 2016 02:57

eschaton: Mar 7, 2007; Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Luigi Thirty posted:

also the custom Amiga I'm ordering is assembled and tested and on its way to my house

I'll post pics of it running on real hardware lol

recapped? because amigas need recapped

what Amiga are you getting?

# ? Oct 31, 2016 04:28

Luigi Thirty: Apr 30, 2006; Emergency confection port.

eschaton posted:

recapped? because amigas need recapped

what Amiga are you getting?

yeah it's all refurbished and fancy

amiga 2000 with a fat agnus and a combination 40MHz 68EC030/fast RAM upgrade/scsi card and a flicker fixer that gives VGA output

Luigi Thirty fucked around with this message at 04:40 on Oct 31, 2016

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Wheany: Mar 17, 2006; Spinya^{ha^{ha^haha}ha}ha_{ha_{ha_haha}ha}ha!; Doctor Rope

Luigi Thirty posted:

we did it, a 224x190 still frame in a 32-color display window

it pops 5 recoverable guru meditations when it exits, leaks memory like a sieve, and crashes the system if you try to run it twice without rebooting

not good enough. has to be animated and also have the sound

# ? Oct 31, 2016 08:19

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