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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

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Tigntink posted:

TBH Since we would do most of the work ourselves, its probably far less.

Are you accounting for the time/labor that you'll be putting in instead? Potential stress, time increases, unexpected costs from doing it yourself, etc..? Though your previous experience should help mitigate this somewhat.

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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Thermopyle posted:

If no one went into debt to own rental property there would not be enough housing supply. (AKA, rents would be even higher)

How are you in BFC yet possess so little knowledge of the actual market? If you think that small time individuals are what move the market and not massive conglomerates then idk what to tell you fam.

Also choppy Bois for the leeches itt, you know who you are

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


I too think we should fix this issue caused by developers and speculators by giving them a free hand to continue their depravations completely unabated.

All in the hopes that it alleviates a marginal % of the issue. My god have some self-respect.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


baquerd posted:

Unless we're about to wreak havoc on the economy and populace of the majority of other industrialized nations in some manner, taking on debt today is not like taking on debt in WWII. Steph here is technically correct from a certain point of view, but apparently either ignored the context of WWII or the context was not in your quote.

Wait until someone tells this guy about Climate Change.

@mods Squatters rights, you can't send us anywhere after a day of lawful posting.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Does collective ownership count for the purposes of the thread topic?

Unironic question

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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Rarity posted:

The fastest way to redistribute wealth is to distribute it direct to the people that need it. Charities are so entrenched within the social system that they cannot effect the radical change that is needed because they are dependent on the upper classes continuing to bestow them funding.

This. Your best bet, if you wanted the "optimal" dollar for dollar value in mitigating suffering and social good, would be donating the cash to strike funds, cooperative enterprises (housing, solar, "green", etc...), mutual aid projects, and the like. poo poo that actually makes demands of and is willing to do what it takes to get at least a slice of the pie redistributed.

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


You can always hire out private to get the message across, anyhow. Don't let the tax-sponging leeches at the police department stop you from enforcing your rights as a property owner

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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

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Tollymain posted:

start a co-op

This, unironically. You can leverage your privilege to create the seeds for an actual community that can pool together labor to make everyone's living experience much easier. Once you have this organized seed yall can branch out into other resiliency/mitigation tools for the upcoming climapocalypse as well.

tl;dr community bonds and pooled labor > grifting a check off the top while maintaining unequal power structures

ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


osker posted:

The thread is essentially being shitted up by a couple of dudes who are equating small-time nobody landlords with Kushner Properties and really changing the world by sticking it to folks with material questions about material things on the internet.

No one in here thinks the two are equivalent in scale and power. On that same note, no one in here thinks that not having that scale and power makes any of y'alls bullshit any more palatable, or that it absolves from the actual real exploitation that goes on in y'alls pursuit of profit. You can project "hur dur commies dont know finance" or "hur dur commies need to work out and accept their lot in life" but that's all very much a non-sequitur from the actual issues at hand (the issue at hand is expunging landlord mindset)

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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


If anything that's a good insight as to why this thread is getting so much hate. In the same way that all politics are local and we should focus on the playing field an individual can most effectively influence, the landlords posting here are equivalent to our local bourgeois. Still small enough to have a face to put to the systemic violence, and not big enough to actually be able to hire people outside of a dead gay forum for advice.

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ThatBasqueGuy
Feb 14, 2013

someone introduce jojo to lazyb


Motronic posted:

How is that even helpful? Dealing with local politics can have tangible local impacts and create real change. Brigading a thread with a bunch of small time landlords scattered throughout the country/world is not something that creates any meaningful change.

It seems that if you really believe in what you're saying you are spending your efforts doing what is easy and makes you feel good rather than putting in the work to advocate meaningfully for the changes you want to see.

What if I do advocacy and post? Misses my actual point anyways, which is that naw the landlords here deserve as much scorn as our local ones, of which they're functionally indistinguishable on a class level.

Really a bunch of this just comes down to the broke brains incentivized by capitalism and/or BFC where time, along with everything else, needs to be perfectly optimized to some mysteriously "nonideological" definition of productive. Anything that isn't that optimization is either the individual showing that they're too stupid to do the optimization right or are insincere in whatever task or goal they have because they aren't throwing themselves head-first into being a living robot.

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