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IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
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Evil Canadian posted:

GG's to all in the room tonight.

-McHardSteel: you really leveled your Lex up from last I saw it, good stuff.


Just gotta keep at it and you'll be there sooner rather than later. Anytime we are both online just hit me up and Ill be glad to take you to online training mode give you some tips.

Yeah man, ggs.

My main problem with Superman is that he isn't on the ground very often in a range that I feel is good for Lex. Also, blocking correctly, but that's more a universal thing.

We should do a tournament....as soon as I figure out how to beat Superman a lot.

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IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Fingers McLongDong posted:

And i dont know why some of you think luthor is anything but garbage, I've been saying that since the game came out. He's a setup based character who never has time to set stuff up. I'd love for someone to surprise me though.

I will beat you all the time one day. You will see.

Also if anyone is lurking around with some kind of awesome Sex Luthor junk you could tell me I promise to keep it to myself.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Fenn the Fool! posted:

You can do Corps Charge as an instant air move like Cyborg's fireball. It's still unsafe on block, but slightly less so.

Really though, Lex has terrible damage, lovely movement options, no way to keep up pressure when your poo poo gets blocked, no way to safely set up anything off of a throw or overhead, and functionally no options at full screen except against characters that have literally no options at full screen. He's got some cool stuff on paper, but no way to set it up if your opponent has any kind of knowledge of the matchup.

D1 is supposedly a frame trap letting you set up B13, 22D1, or throw. They say that 22D1 is a frame trap that you can loop at least once or that you can D1 after it. Sometimes these work for me and I can tell I caught them pressing a button. His damage isn't actually that bad you can get ~%40 with one meter and he builds it really quickly. And yeah, full screen isn't Lex's friend.

I wish his Gravity Pull would suck people in whether they are blocking or not like Seth's Tanden Engine in SF4. Or at least be a lot safer to throw out raw.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Fenn the Fool! posted:

How exactly does he get 40%? I believe his go-to combo is b13, db2 MB, b3, j3, 113, bf2 which nets an underwhelming 35% and typically you want to cut the end so you can setup forcefield/mine/probe which means you get just over 30% for a bar. To my knowledge his only safe overhead starter is b2u3 which, when hitconfirmed to d3, gets you a whopping 16% and no time for setups. Same deal with his throw and the follow ups to his 22 string, they're decent mixups but there's no reward for landing them. I've also seen people say they can hitconfirm off of his d1 into a 50/50, but both my personal experience with that and the frame data say that'd take some serious reaction times; more importantly there are a number of characters that can just cancel d1 into a safe combo starter and hitconfirm from there so this definitely isn't an area where Lex stands out from the rest of the cast. 22d1 to d1 frame trap is a thing, it works (barely, don't miss that 1 frame link), but again this is his only option for pressure and it pales in comparison to the rest of the cast.

I just said ~40%. I've been slowly trying to work in J3, d1, db2 MB, 22, INTERACT, b3, Ji2, F2, bf2 for 45%. If you get them with a mine you can Ji3,d1,db2 MB, b3, ji2, f2, bf2 for 44%. For most characters that aren't Green Lantern I don't see any reason not to jump in so I am starting to use jump in to strings a lot.

F2 is the better overhead for my use but I only do it when I know I've got them anticipating b13 and then it leads into 40% with F2, db2 MB, b3, Ji3, f2, db2. As for the 22 strings I'm pretty sure you can place a mine every time you hit these and even if they tech roll from the 22d1 a far mine gets them.

And I don't know, maybe I'm wrong, but I count a well placed mine or an orb as pressure.

Honestly though none of this works when I'm playing someone that knows how to play fighting games. I kind of feel like if I could calm down a little and put all of Lex's little pieces together more perfectly I could do alright.

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 17:12 on May 14, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Seymour Butts posted:

How many goons play this? We should at least attempt to get a big tournament together within the next couple of weeks.

There's definitely enough on 360. We'd just need to get together on a time.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

JackDarko posted:

There's a really good Lex playing on TeamSp00ky right now.

Do you have to wait until a stream is over to watch certain parts of it, anyone?

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
There's not a lot of strict timing involved for anything as far as I know. There's nothing as difficult as the stuff in the post ShadowNinja made a little while ago about Harley.

E: Thanks for the heads up about the Lex on the stream. Would have missed it.

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 04:50 on May 16, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Krad posted:

Question, what's the point of ranked matches if my rank keeps going up and down with every player match I play? At least that's what I see whenever I'm in a room and can see my wins and losses.

Player match, ranked, survivor, and koth rankings are all separate.

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 16:11 on May 17, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
You can look up other people's stats by gamertags here https://www.injustice.com/en/auth/login . SF4 points never meant anyone was good either though. You just have to fight someone and find out.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
If anyone wants to grind away their life on 360 with me for a little while that'd be alright.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
It is probably not dying. This has been happening to me too. You need to clear all your different storage's cache and delete the title update. Maybe Lobo too. Those things fix it for me for a while until it starts doing it again.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Yes! No Lex nerfs!

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I want a costume that removes Flash from the game. That would be the best one.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I recorded some matches between SuddenBlackout, Holy Calamity, and me today. Here's the best part with the pig fighting: http://youtu.be/_Rkt0UJOSmg?t=1m18s

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I was going to say something a couple of times but you were kind of talking a lot and then I forgot about it. I'm going to record a lot of goon rooms.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I thought it would have let up by now but people still quit on me all the time: http://youtu.be/yvsb7UMBv2k Why go random if you're gonna be a baby?

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
If anyone wants to grind out some games on xbox that'd be pretty alright.

E: Nevermind, have to leave now.

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 18:03 on Jun 1, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
It's in the last minute and yeah it was holding down. After 20 minutes of them crying that it needed to be nerfed. I don't know how it could possibly take that long. Maximillion said he was in training mode with Scorpion all day. I don't get it.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Shadow Ninja 64 posted:

To be fair, holding straight down to block low is incredibly non-intuitive to someone coming from basically any other back-to-block fighter in the history of gaming.

I get that. I'd just be embarrassed if that was my video and I had been immediately saying something should be nerfed only to find out I was being pretty dumb.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Blast Fantasto posted:

I'm pretty sure that was you who whooped my rear end 10 times earlier tonight. I cherished those two victories.

I'm so sorry. I wouldn't have been quite so ruthless if I didn't think you were some random. I was trying to make you quit.


\/ GGs.

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Jun 8, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
You can really mash just about anything crouching for free on his regular teleport now. So if you can start anything from a low there you go. I can even do a couple of Lex's slower strings after I crouch it. These dumb patch changes are making my fun game bad and I don't like it.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Equilibrium posted:

This is how it was before. d1 is fast but people wanted to it to be more punishable so it'd be easier to full combo punish off b2s and stuff online. You sort of get that now if you are a jedi and read the crossup, otherwise it's virtually the same on whiff (-21?) vs what it was pre-patch (-20).

Well, no, it's not the same. You had to block a hit before. Now nothing happens.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
It's punishable before it's even finished because there's no danger of getting hit.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
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nunsexmonkrock posted:

Yay! Hate mail time. I don't get why people make excuses for losing. The connection was fine for me.


Edit: Plus it doesn't make sense. Internet isn't food stupid! :eng101:

More hatemail/rage quit stuff please, I love it.

I don't get very much mail anymore lately and it's either a straight up ragequit or really obnoxious and dumb mic chat. Here's one of the obnoxious ones I recorded: http://youtu.be/Zp2E1LJq5f8?t=17m21s

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

AndyElusive posted:

Iron McHardsteel is gritting his teeth so much at all you PS3 guys calling Lex Luthor low tier that I can hear it all the way on Vancouver Island.

All you should hear by now are my bloody gums sliding across each other.

Also, someone come fight me, thanks.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
Because it's cool to do hard stuff. Fingers, let me beat up that Doomsday. Or Bad Lantern whoever.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
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Unbound posted:

This isn't a bad idea. If we get more than 8 people we could start both a KotH and Survivor lobbies.

If we did a tourney like that it would take way too long. Unless you mean after or something.

Ok, so if we are really going to have one then we should have a time set for it. I could be down for it any time this Friday or Saturday but that's pretty short notice.

So I made this: http://challonge.com/InjusticeGoons

I just set it to 10pm CST because that's when I think I could be free to do a tourney any day. It can be changed to whatever date and time we can agree on.

Post some times and dates and let's blockspam each other online.

E: I also registered the channel #SAInjustice on irc.synirc.net because it's a good way to get everyone in one place and organized for the thing.

E2: Oops here's the sign up link: http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/Hp7Rkr6F8F

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Jun 21, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Blast Fantasto posted:

Are we having an actual tournament or just fights? If it's a tournament I'm there.

A tournament with brackets and winners and losers and prizes. Not really prizes though.

Here's the sign up: http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/Hp7Rkr6F8F

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I really only made this one as a placeholder to kind of get an idea of when a good time/day would be. I am available at 10pm CST on most days. If people sign up and show up though it will be ran.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Krad posted:

Where's the PS3 tournamente? :mad:

Since I can't play in it I'm not gonna organize it. One of y'all ps3'ers can though! It's easy!

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Unbound posted:

Is there a way to make separate brackets? You know, Bracket A is PS3 players and Bracket B is 360.

Yeah. Make two tournaments.

Sign up for the 360 one tonight here: http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/Hp7Rkr6F8F

Sign ups will be open until start time(10pm CST). Then the seeds will be randomized. Please be in the IRC channel if you are playing so we can all communicate important tournament junk. The server is irc.synirc.net and the channel is #SAInjustice . If you don't have an IRC client use https://www.mibbit.com

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
Thanks to everyone that participated. It was a lot of fun. I'm uploading all the videos I got now and will link them when they're up.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
Here's the bracket: http://challonge.com/InjusticeGoons

Group C
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2w4VZC_fwc&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrvT_fJetD8&feature=youtu.be

Group E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80gyhlSJS0Y&feature=youtu.be

Group F
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGiCcHfcRUQ&feature=youtu.be

Losers Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c9VhUHzv-I&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhxL5aV1tvY&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM9pkBj4hJU&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WC7ST8FZNI4&feature=youtu.be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bACfKDVRIYc&feature=youtu.be

Winners Finals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCxA5UPS7W8&feature=youtu.be


And here's the signup page for the next one: http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/2GvveNhw5W

July 2nd, 10pm CST.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I'd rather not because I think it would be boring but we'll see.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

AndyElusive posted:

Man you're telling me.

Another thing is the rock crush things. Gives me too much time to throw out probe/mb laser. The only thing I would be able to do if you just keep shooting Sinestro balls is try to slowly get up close to you.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
I see a bunch of jealous butt talkin' but no evidence that this will be backed up?? I am the xbox Injustice champion and I can't be defeated. http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/2GvveNhw5W

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe

Holy Calamity! posted:

Anyone want to play right now? I don't want to unplug my ps3 unless goons are on..!

Get on. Let's fight.

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
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Foodahn posted:

BUT at the level of a person who is going to main Scorpion at EVO, I don't really think it's fair, watch somebody who is GOOD play Scorpion and it's just kinda ridiculous. Here's a stream I saw on Reddit http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/420521717?t=4h59m20s watch that, and imagine being the guy playing against him. It's annoying as hell just to watch, I couldn't imagine playing against him.

I think it's pretty funny. You see him get hit with telepunches and crossup J3s somewhere close to a million times and then he gets mad, quits, and admits that he never practices the game.

IronMcHardSteel fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jun 25, 2013

IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
Fun Shoe
Sorry to be spamming up this thread all the time but the next Xbox goon tourney is 5 days away: http://challonge.com/tournaments/signup/2GvveNhw5W

You can invite friends if you want too that'd be cool.

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IronMcHardSteel
Mar 29, 2010
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strangemusic posted:

I need to ask, because I keep getting absolutely wrecked: as Doomsday, what the hell do I do against a half-competent Nightwing? He's by far my worst matchup, leagues and leagues more trouble than most - I'd say Hawkgirl is a close second, but only because no one ever picks Hawkgirl.

Go to practice. Set the dummy to always block. Set reversal to on and set different specials. Set wake up to on and set different specials. Block them and see what you can punish them with. If whatever you use isn't blocked then it's something you can punish with. If not then it will be blocked. I think that's a good place to start if you didn't already know. Record some of the things they do that trip you up and set it to playback and see what you can do. Or try to bribe someone to go into training mode with you.

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