Doctor Who SPOILERS: Introducing Jodie Whittaker as The Doctor

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Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

For the Valeyard to happen, doesn't he have to break the timelock on Gallifrey in order to go back?

# ¿ Jun 2, 2013 04:06

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Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

Astroman posted:

He'd have to go back to Gallifrey in his own past, which he already did. That was already a rule he broke.

This implies that he could also go back and prevent the time war in the first place if he really wanted to, or that he could just go chill on Gallifrey a hundred years before he was born.

My understanding is that the time lock extends back to the beginning of Gallifrey's history, effectively making everything set in stone, except the exceedingly unclever timelord plots to escape their inevitable fate (Here let's just stand around in our portal until the Doctor figures out he can just shoot that crystal to shut us out.)

# ¿ Jun 2, 2013 05:06

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

moths posted:

It's a Wonderful Life was about saving a single life. And for all the poo poo people give RTD, he frequently recognized and exulted the inherent value in a single human's existence.

While reading this, I remembered Voyage of the Damned which has so many unsympathetic, but decently moral, characters falling in a goddamn pit of fire for no reason.

Hence: hahaha, no.

# ¿ Nov 8, 2013 19:53

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

PassTheRemote posted:

The uniform of the Time Lords reminds me a little of the armor of the Imperial Guard in 40k. I think the treason they lost is that they did not have any Time Lord Space Marines.

Who do you suppose the War Doctor is then?

# ¿ Nov 22, 2013 16:27

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

bobkatt013 posted:

They said in this episode it came from Captain Jack. The one that River got was from a dead time agent.

Dead, quote unquote.

# ¿ Nov 23, 2013 22:44

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

Give it a chance, guys. It'll be pretty good.

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Big Mean Jerk posted:

At least the synopsis carries on the tradition of the Christmas specials being garbage. 11 deserves a better way to go.

Yeah sure let me figure out a better way for 11(12?13?) to go than fighting all his goddamn enemies in a 900 year long war of attrition. He's basically acting on the Pandorica threat.

Super.Jesus fucked around with this message at 05:07 on Nov 26, 2013

# ¿ Nov 26, 2013 04:44

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

From the spoilers and the 50th, it's safe to deduce that Moffat is trying to tie up all the loose ends.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2013 05:14

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

Looks like the life expectancy for a single regeneration is somewhere between a thousand years and an entire time war.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2013 21:00

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

CommaToes posted:

Wait, didn't the doctor get extra regens from River Song or am I completely misreading that...

She used all her regens to destroy the regen-nullifying poison. Apparently there wasn't enough left to give him any.

# ¿ Nov 26, 2013 22:49

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

twoot posted:

I was still on the fence about how accurate it could be, but then somebody capped this from one of the BBC christmas trailers;

It pretty much confirms the ages 900 years part of the spoiler synopsis. It also looks really rubbish.

Why are y'all hating, this is pretty legit.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2013 02:36

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

moths posted:

That's a legit fatsuit face and light-saber, yes.

Do we flush Moffat with the regen or are we just losing the talent?

And then you watch David Tennant the imp become Telepathic Jesus.

Or two random, annoying hicks randomly slipping and falling to their death in a pit of nuclear fire.

Time of the doctor is going to be a much better episode than any non-Moffat episode. You're just never content.

# ¿ Dec 13, 2013 02:47

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

moths posted:

Are you privy to some information that the rest of the world isn't?

Doing a marathon from the 9th doctor to season 7 with people who are new to the series. The increase in quality since Moffat has started running the show is readily apparent, and his episodes in RTD's run are the strongest.

From the Time Lord's last downright terrible plan to fat people with funny names falling in a pit randomly, Moffat has consistently been a better showrunner.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdeF8eg8bIU

Super.Jesus fucked around with this message at 03:43 on Dec 13, 2013

# ¿ Dec 13, 2013 03:40

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

moths posted:

I'm just asking if there's some esoteric reason to think that the finale won't be the steaming shitpile it looks like from the spoilers.

Because you're saying it's going to be better than Douglas Adams episodes, and those are some huge-rear end shoes.

I have read those spoilers and it looks like a pretty fine Doctor Who season finale.

Meanwhile, you think it's going to be steaming pile of poo poo based on half a paragraph of second-hand testimony.

I rather prefer cautious optimism.

I mean:

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Christmas Special: (possibly called Time Of The Doctor)

There's a signal, a bell tolling, calling out through the universe and touching every race. Most races are inexplicably afraid, even Daleks Cybermen Angels etc. But our Doctor is, as ever, very curious! He and Clara follow the signal to a small, wooded, snowy place where they are attacked by Angels. The Doctor gets wounded and fears his leg is infected.

They meet a couple (Del's wife off Only Fools and Horses, and Eddie the Barman from Hustle) who explain that they are on the outskirts of Christmas Town, a quaint little place enfolded in a truth field which has always been there, seemingly naturally.

On closer examination and exploration the Doctor figures that the signal is emanating from the clock tower in the centre of town. Further investigation reveals that the planet is surrounded by enemies old and new, all wanting to crush the place.

Chatting with those in the know, the Doctor realises that this is Trenzalore! The enemies are holding back their attack for fear that the Doctor - through legend - will unleash the might of the Time Lords on them. The Daleks fear this the most. So, the Doctor decides he has no choice but to protect this innocent town (which just happens to house the target of the universal forces of evil) from utter destruction. He has to stay. He has to help!

Realising that this could take a while he sends Clara to safety in the TARDIS; she won't live for half the time this'll take to sort out... So now he's stranded there in Christmas Town. He takes up residency in the tower where he becomes something of a local celeb! The man who takes care of the town! He spends 300 or so years fighting the invading monsters, side by side with the Mainframe - both are defending the town, after an agreement was made in their mutual interest! He defeats Angels and Cybermen (wooden ones too) and Sontarans and who knows what else. All the while, the question is asked: Doctor Who?

Clara visits, with help, and finds the Doctor making and fixing toys for the children of the town. He's old. Aged. He's lost that infected leg, it turned to stone so had to go. Now he has a wooden one! And he also has a Cyberhead mate called Handles who keeps him company, keeps him chatting... The Doctor explains his situation to Clara (us) and we see the battles he is left to fight. An endless, bitter war. A war that could kill him; he has no regenerations remaining! This is his last life.

(When Kovarian said "an endless bitter war, against you!" In AGMGTW she didn't mean between the a Silence and him, but between him and everyone else, fought on the Silence's doorstep.)

The stalemate holds, the battle rages, the Doctor defeats all sorts of monsters. Until only the ever-defiant Daleks remain in position, waiting and waiting. 900 years of battle and waiting and waiting and more waiting. 900 years of not being able to end it all. The Daleks fear that if they attack then the Doctor will unleash the Time Lords and that means an end for them. If the Doctor leaves Christmas Town then the place burns with no deterrent. So both sides sit and wait... And wait... And wait...

Until the Doctor realises his time is up, his life is at an end. He has no regenerations left (thanks to Ten's vanity in Journey's End and Hurt's Recently revealed existence) so this really is the end. He takes his rage and frustration to the Daleks one last time: a last stand, an "I've got nothing, so kill me if you want" defiant eff-you. They close in on him when, inexplicably, a familiar crack of light opens in the sky and from it emerges a second chance! The Doctor is able, once more, to regenerate! Breaking all rules, it's going to be a hell of a light show! The exploding energy from his regeneration blasts Daleks all around, sending them burning into the wastes of space and the battleground around the town...

...thanks to the mysterious Tasha Lem, Clara has been shown this, from a distance, and - knowing he SHOULD just die - she's overjoyed that he appears to be changing once more. She races to where she saw it happen only to find the TARDIS, open, waiting... our story continues! Hopefully for another 50 years!

Please identify problems in this plot that can't be explained by the fact that this is a rather fragmentary spoiler plot outline.

Super.Jesus fucked around with this message at 03:59 on Dec 13, 2013

# ¿ Dec 13, 2013 03:53

Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

marktheando posted:

There episodes in series 7 I liked as well (Cold War, Hide, Journey to the Centre of the Tardis, Town Called Mercy, Dinosaurs on a Spaceship), I'm referring to the ongoing Silence Will Fall/Trenzalore plot only here. And I didn't think it was too necessary to go into what the specific problems with it are, since that has been gone over at length in this thread and the other thread.

Has it occured to you that it may suck less or even be good when we finally find out what it was all about?

# ¿ Dec 15, 2013 00:02

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Super.Jesus: Oct 20, 2011

Capaldi's face reminds me of an older David Tennant.

His costume is most def. Pertwee.

I hope they're going for a venusian aikido kind of Doctor, with modern production values it's going to be AMAZING.

And yes, we do need the Master to be the first time lord to escape Gallifrey.

Super.Jesus fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jan 27, 2014

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