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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Thanks to redundancy I'm hurling CVs out into the ether at a fair clip. I'm now finding myself in a position where I have an interview next week for one job, one that really likes my CV that's put the recruitment for the role on hold for a couple of weeks, and a couple of other things that are looking promising too. The one I have the interview for is the one that I like the look of least out of all of them, but it's the one that I'm furthest down the process on.

I'm thinking a few moves ahead here and wondering what happens if I get this one and then later also manage to get one of the ones I'd prefer and accept it. I'm assuming I'd burn a bridge to the first company but is there anything else to consider?

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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seacat posted:

I'm going to assume by "get" you mean officially accept an offer.

If you take an offer and a few weeks later take an other offer you are going to do much more than burn a bridge. You'll seriously damage your reputation in whatever industry you're in and come across flaky and unreliable.

By "redudancy" though I'm assuming you're in magical socialist UK land so my advice may not apply.

That was what I meant, yeah - and fair enough, maybe I should see how far I can push my negotiating salary and such with this first one. The redundancy payout means I can afford to not accept it if it isn't good enough.

And yeah, I'm in the UK. And I've also been out of the jobs market for like a decade and have literally no idea what's acceptable and what isn't, so thanks for the advice!

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Rolled Cabbage posted:

I realise this is a bit off-topic, but I couldn't think of where better to put it...

I resigned for the first time in my life this week, but my boss and HR have started asking me why I left. My partner suggests that I blame it on a health condition I have and leave it at that. However, I am leaving 90% due to the very poor behaviour of a member of management who has used the health issue to bully me and feel like saying 'it's cus i'm disableeed' is letting them off the hook. I feel that it's basically constructive dissmissal on the part of the company, but I know that a tribunal will go nowhere and I need to rely on these people to provide me with a reference for a little bit longer.

Is it acceptable to just say 'personal issues' and leave it at that? HR has asked if it was specifically in relation to a specific action of theirs (which broke the law), but in reality that was just the final 10% in the imma quit sandwich.

I'm switching careers to one which is better paid and I have more qualifications in, so I'm not anticipating having difficulty explaining this at future interviews or anything.

Are you in the uk? If so your employer will very likely only provide a reference that consists of "they worked here between x and y dates and left because they resigned". Refusing to provide a reference or providing a negative one is very very rare because most companies don't want to deal with the poo poo that's likely to result. That said, you're under no obligation to provide them with a reason for leaving if you don't want to.

Also, related to my previous question in here, I've got a first interview for the job I really want on Wednesday and a second interview for the one I'd take if I had to on Friday. If I get invite back for a second interview for the one I want and the other one makes me an offer, am I ok to say I'm waiting on other offers? I don't want to burn bridges with job 2, but job 1 has better hours and more money...

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Shugojin posted:

It's basically some variant on brassring or taleo and they're all annoying, and the parsers still don't quite work.

Also they're almost never configured to tell you what the password requirements are, and they're frequently something stupid like no special characters, or a special maximum number of characters, or some other bullshit that you don't find out about until your password doesn't work.

Every taleo site I've had to use when applying for poo poo has enforced a "no duplicate characters next to each other" rule, which is the dumbest thing. I mean, doesn't that actually reduce the number of possible permutations significantly?

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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radlum posted:

I have an interview in a company where I just realized one of my former co workers now works. We weren't close but got along pretty well and he seemed like a nice guy. Should I mention that I know that guy? I mean, he doesn't have a managing position (he is basically on the same level of the position I'm applying for), but maybe the interviewer could ask him about me and that could help or the interviewer could have a low opinion on the guy and being his acquaintance could harm my chances.

Unless you know for sure that he's going to have a positive effect on your application I wouldn't bother.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Xeom posted:

Has anybody taken a psychometric test for a job before? I am going to be taking one and to be honest if it is anything thing like some of these sample tests online I am really under prepared. Hell I am an engineer, but I am really not use to solving problems so fast. Also some of these number series problems I am just drawing a blank on.

There seems to be a lot of practice exam for these things all over the place, do goons have any recommendations?

edit: This is a US based company, seems like most of these things are based in the UK. I don't know if that matters. Also I am assuming it is a numerical psychometric test. The e-mail I received said "math problems and number sequences to problems with word meanings". I think in that last one she meant word problems.

I really can't believe I am being flown across the country to take this thing :V. You think they would have done it before the final(third) interview.

EDITEDIT: apparently these are called "numerical reasoning tests".

I did one of these a little while back. Have a Google for practice versions as there are plenty out there, but it should be "here is a data table and/or a graph, and here's a bunch of multiple choice questions about the data". For mine I needed to do percentages, ratios, different forms of average, extrapolate data on coal mine total supplies, mining rate and coal value into expected annual revenue, all that sort of thing. If you can do maths (and if you're an engineer I'm guessing you can) you'll probably be fine.

If there's a verbal/written reasoning test you'll get a paragraph of text and then a statement you'll have to say is true, false or impossible to determine from the information given, or just a question you have to answer based on the paragraph.

The timer on it makes it a bit stressful (like being back at school doing exams) but they shouldn't give you too much trouble.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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opengl128 posted:

Is it considered bad form when applying to a job via email to request consideration for another open position at the same company at the same time? The two positions are very similar.

I don't think it is particularly. Are they both for the same department? And is it a big company? If either of those is true then the chances are they're going to consider you for both positions anyway if your skillset matches them both.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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RadioPassive posted:

We've had a few people do this at my current job. A new hire will join up, then a week or two later they'll be gone, and when we ask around about what happened to have them leave so quickly, someone explains that they heard back from another interview after a longer-than-usual wait and they took that job. Then we usually just hire the 2nd place candidate from the same batch of interviews (and possibly cause them to do the same thing at another job?).

Recruiters like to encourage this behaviour too - I had a first stage interview at one company while awaiting the outcome of a second stage interview, then got the offer through from the first one and told the recruiter for the second one that I was taking the first. The recruiter badgered me (quite politely) with emails for a day and a half saying I should go to the other interview, he was sure I was a good fit for it, and I could always tell the first job I'd had a better offer after I started there and just up and quit. I had to be entirely blunt and say "I got the other one, I like the other one, and I don't really like the idea of stringing them along" before he admitted defeat.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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My company uses taleo and from reading this I can see why we make extensive use of external recruitment agencies and referrals from existing employees. Holy crap that's bad.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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GobiasIndustries posted:

My company is closing down which means I'm losing my job at the end of June. When I start interviewing, when is an appropriate time to tell a company that I have two days in August that I absolutely have to have off? My dad and sister are coming out to visit me (sister first time visiting) and we're going hiking out in the Rockies; the plane tickets and hotel accommodations have been booked for months.

As near to the end of the process as possible. Any company that has a half decent hiring process will be asking you at interview if you have any holiday days that you're committed to.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Latro posted:

How do you broach the subject with a perspective employer that you were laid off as part of a mass workforce reduction? This happened to me with my employer (company A) last week which was my first job after college and although I was not ecstatic about working there I was pretty content with work environment, coworkers, boss, compensation, etc. At the time, before starting with company A I had to choose between it and company B where I had offers for both. The offers were VERY different - A's offer was 20K more. So I ended up choosing A and stayed there for about 4 years. Ironically, the work I ended up doing over the years was very close to what company B is doing - the two companies are direct competitors in this specific field. For grins and giggles, after my layoff, I applied to B for a position very similar (more or less the same responsibilities and qualifications) to what I was doing at A. I have a phone interview scheduled with them (B). Not to get too ahead of myself, but I think I stand a good chance of getting a in-person followup interview and even an offer - it is a niche industry, I have a lot of relevant experience and have literally received an offer from them when I didn't have relevant experience. The question is - how do I present myself in a position of strength? Should I mention the layoff and that I turned down their offer a long time ago?(ofcourse I wouldnt bring that up outright, but what would be a good strategy to respond to questions like that - i.e. "You didnt want us 4 years ago, why would we want you now?") I like B, and I think I would enjoy working there but I am not desperate to that for a very lowball offer. I don't really have other solid options to choose right now, although I chasing a few things. What would be a good way to present myself as interested in a position but not desperate to get it? Financially, I am pretty OK too - I have about 1.3 years of net salary in liquid savings, 0 debt and I am due to receive severance from A as well.

Firstly, I really doubt they're going to hold your decision to earn more money than they were offering four years ago against you.

Second, just be up front about why you're applying. Being made redundant/part of a mass layoff is a pretty standard reason to be seeking employment. Unless you got fired for gross misconduct or lovely performance it's unlikely any employer will be concerned. Just go with "I got laid off so I'm exploring other opportunities and I think I can bring a lot of skills and knowledge you can use".

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Rarity posted:

I have an interview tomorrow for an Operations Administrator job at the fundraising call centre I work for. I really want the job cause it's better money, slightly more sociable hours and I'm not going to progress as a caller. The job involves managing all the hours for our callers, being responsible for rotas, holidays, sickness and the like. Those are things I've done in the past but on a much smaller scale. Does anyone have any advice for what kind of things I can expect to be asked in the interview?

Does your company do competency/behaviour based interviews? If so they'll have competencies they're looking for and they should be in the job posting. You should be able via a little digging on the company intranet find out what the possible questions for those competencies are.

From just having assisted in a round of interviews for a similar position I can tell you we were looking for people that could demonstrate that they were organised, knew how to work out what issues they should address and what they should escalate, how to demonstrate that their rostering/planning was effective and occasions where they had to persuade someone to do something they didn't want to do.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Rarity posted:

I got the job! :neckbeard: The hiring manager even said I was clearly the right person for the position from the start :unsmith:

Now I just have to worry about how to get a whole load of call centre employees to work the hours they're supposed to work :negative:

Close - your job is almost certainly to properly schedule them and note times when they didn't do what you scheduled them to do. If actually making them do what you scheduled is your job as well then you're not just a scheduler you're also their manager so I'd ask for a raise.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Recruiters just dont want you going direct to the company and preventing them from getting their sweet sweet commission, so not uncommon for them to not tell you the company until you've agreed to let them approach for you. This can be annoying as I've twice had recruiters (from the same agency actually) insist on a call to talk up a great job that'll suit me perfectly only to find that it's one I already applied for on my own (and in one case had already interviewed for).

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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I've applied to a bunch of things that specified years of experience in specific workforce planning software that I don't have before, and I've got at least to interview every time. The software never comes up in the interview. They're describing the ideal hire, they know they're going to have to compromise on some element of it unless they're really lucky.

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Covok posted:

I'm going in for an interview at a recruitment agency on Friday. I'm going to wear a suit, shave my beard, shower, try to look and smell like nice. What should I expect? I know that they work for the employer, not me, so I shouldn't expect them to be on my side. But what should I expect?

I already had a phone interview which I think went well. It might have been so-so, in hindsight. It's hard to guage an interview where all they ask is my prefences. Regardless they asked me to come in so that's gotta mean something. They didn't say it was for any particular job and mostly just asked my preferences so I guess I'll see.

Recruitment agencies get paid by the employer but they don't get paid unless they can fill a vacancy, so they kind of work for you and the employer. You should expect more questions about your employment history, specific skills, probably something about salary expectations or current salary (which you should probably demur on). Hopefully they'll have some vacancies lined up to discuss with you, too. They may want a copy of your CV/resume (depending on where in the world you are), and it's best to give them one in a read only format.

A good recruiter will work out where you'll be a good fit and promote you to the companies with those roles. A bad recruiter will shotgun your CV to every employer offering roles that have one or two keywords in the job description (I've had so many business analyst roles pitched to me because my previous job titles have "analyst" in them, despite me having zero business analyst skills anywhere on my CV).

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Love Stole the Day posted:

Does anyone keep track of how many applications they submit versus how many responses, interviews, or offers they get? Started tracking it this year and my interview % is less than 5% (though over a smaller volume because this year I've been trying to put more effort into each application).

I think it depends entirely on your field to be honest. I've very rarely NOT gotten an interview when I've been applying for things because what I do is relatively specialist and people tend to stay with the organisations that they come up through for long periods of time. If you're in a market where there's more candiates and you're applying for the more desirable roles, then it'll naturally be a lower rate of interview.

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Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

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Nissin Cup Nudist posted:

I got a job offer from Company A on the 5th. I tell Company B about the offer and they say there should be a decision from them by the 12th. 12th passes and no answer, but on the 15th Company B says they haven't made any final evaluations but "However, if you want to act on your other job offer, please go ahead. I wouldn’t want you to miss an opportunity while we sort out any potential offers."

I cant tell if that's a stealth rejection or if they're just that slow

Neither is good. They're either not that fussed about you or their processes are crap

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