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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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froglet posted:

I'm going to guess if she qualified for bariatric surgery she was looking at a wait of a few months/years and used her super to get the surgery privately.

quote:

Wardrop had no health insurance and says she was quoted around $10,000 to have her surgery through the public hospital system or $20,000 in a private facility.


Rudager posted:

If it was necessary to either increase her health or to dramatically increase her quality of life, it would have been covered under Medicare without question.

quote:

The procedures do not attract a Medicare rebate. . . .

Applicants need to supply letters from their GP and specialist certifying that their condition is life threatening.

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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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What is she spending $50k/year on?

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Krispy Kareem posted:

Expenses?

I sometimes wonder if everyone here is splitting rent on a single-wide and eating mini-ravioli's they found while dumpster diving.
Most retirees own their homes and hopefully aren't buying new cars. Especially since she's poor, yeah it would be impressively dumb for her to drop $4200/mo on food, travel, standard bills (utilities/insurance/etc.), and shopping.

Krispy Kareem posted:

She has mooching children (myself included - although I at least pay her back). So that may impact her finances.
"may" :lol: Keep looking down on other people while you take mommy's money.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Devian666 posted:

I spent about $4200 month including food, travel and mortgage payments and I live in New Zealand which is rather expensive to live in these days.
Well yeah, you're using a completely different currency. They're both called dollars, but what you're spending/getting isn't close to what you'd be spending/getting in the US.

Dirk Diggler posted:

:smug: My, aren't you arrogant. You seem to have no problem looking down on him when you know next to nothing about his situation besides one internet post.
Here are all his posts in the thread, knock yourself out. I'm not going to brag, but I'm not exactly in a trailer and I'm definitely not jealous of his whole situation.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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If you're doing lasers, paying brochure price is about the worst with money I could ever think of. Check out Groupon/etc. and wait for a good deal to come up. You should be able to get six sessions for a full beard for $100-200 plus tips.

Anne Whateley fucked around with this message at 02:50 on Nov 8, 2014

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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SiGmA_X posted:

I have done *zero* research into this before. I always assumed it would be more expensive. I may have to actually research and do it now, that would pay for itself in a very fair amount of time...
It will be more than that; I don't mean you're getting out of there for $100-200 total. But that should be the price of the Groupon you look for (for six sessions). I think tipping $20 each time is reasonable, so we're already at $220-320. And while six sessions is a great start, you'll probably need a couple more for touchups, maybe three -- hopefully you can find a different Groupon for those too. Do not be suckered by the "unlimited for a year (on one area" deals, because you need to space treatments 2+ months apart.

It works best the more contrast you have between dark hair and light skin, but they have different types of laser for medium or darker skin. The hair always has to be dark, though, there's nothing they can do for light hair. There's a lot more research you should do if you want to go through with it.

Other than maybe skin tone issues, it's not like a tattoo in any way I can think of. It isn't as painful and doesn't hurt in the same way, it doesn't take as long, there's no aftercare, etc. I'm not really sold on the idea that it's saving money, either, but it is definitely worth it for the convenience. As a woman, I only got body hair done, but I'm sure shaving your face isn't too fun either.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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I don't know if they've sold out (man), but when I was a tween, my parents gave me a Motley Fool book, targeted to teens, that I thought/think was really good. I then went to a private university so YMMV, but I am handling the smaller decisions a whole lot better than average, and I think it helped with that. A lot of my motivation was not wanting to live like my parents, though.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Jastiger posted:

That's an interesting chart. Des Moines would probably be most similar to kc or Minneapolis on there.

I guess I just see people renting rooms for $800 or looking for 2brs for $300k, and I'm glad I live in iowa. We make about 70k a year, closer to 100k, once she starts working and I feel like living here where our dollar goes further is better with money than living in say Chicago, making the same but being in a shoebox.

Now OWNING said shoe box would be good with money to rent out to others!
If you like living in the middle of nowhere, knock yourself out, but you're missing the entire point: in Chicago you would not be making the same. Half your posts itt are bad with money.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Folly posted:

That's not really true. From what I could find, the cost of living almost doubles in large cities from middle American cities. But the only increase in income only seems to improve from 15% (median income) to 50% (specific industries - tech is the biggest increase I could find). My career's average salary only seems to increase about 15% by moving to NYC or Boston. Generally, you are financially better off by living anywhere but a big city. Meanwhile, since the internet is a thing, the differences in quality of life and the availability of goods and services are decreasing every year.

But you bring this up and you only ever get a couple responses
1) you don't understand, The City is and adventure, man
2) hyuk hyuk at least I'm not in flyover country


It gets old. What lures people to these money pits? I know it isn't the smell.

Also this:

is generally false. Because everybody who lives there also has to cover the additional costs of food and housing, they charge more for every good or service they sell. And even if you can build a life as cost effective in NYC as you can elsewhere, you're still going to spend a ton more effort doing it.
I personally am in NYC because that's where my industry is and I make good money doing it. If I stayed in my one-horse hometown, I would probably be a miserable secretary making like $20k and doing miserable web design and IT on the side for pennies.

There are absolutely poor people in NYC dragging down the median. But we're talking to an audience of goons. I think pretty much everyone is at least qualified to work in call centers, most aren't homeless, etc. I think average+ people generally do profit from moving to the city (although personal preference obviously trumps cash alone).

Also, you note that the internet is a thing and it's increasing -- but one of its main effects is providing goods to big-city people at Midwest prices. I get my health & beauty stuff online for a significant savings. Meanwhile the internet can't bring small-towners good food, live performances, etc.

Do you have any info on the COL calculators? Mine is claiming transportation in NYC is more expensive than in Podunk, so uhhh I think there might be issues.

One pitfall is comparing housing prices and salaries within a zip code or neighboring zip codes. This definitely makes cities look bad, because almost nobody in NYC who works in midtown/FiDi lives there. You make a good salary there, but then you commute to outer boroughs, JC, Harlem, etc. where housing costs are much lower.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Interior design is a) for rich people and b) all about image. "Took a few classes at Podunk Community College two towns over" really doesn't seem like it's going to get clients, even if you end up with comparable knowledge.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Hopefully she's trading in or selling the iPhone 5--that'll take care of a good chunk of it.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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You're moving for your job and you make the vast majority of household income. Splitting the loan or anything else 50/50 would be nuts. Contributing proportionately isn't "cutting her some slack" or a "progressive liberal" thing, it's normal.

If you're entwined enough to live together and move together, it's also time to start thinking of your finances as a household. If you approach it from "it's all my money and I won't give her disposable income and I'm irked she's not paying for half of everything," you seriously need to drop some money on couples counseling. Or break up and find someone who makes as much as you do, if it's that important to you.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Complaining about a $4700 interest-free loan when you're about to get a >$12000 check is pretty uncomfortable to me.

Blackjack2000 posted:

$35k is barely half the median income in the Puget Sound area. https://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=median+income+in+the+puget+sound+area&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

It would be one thing if he was a doctor making $250k and she was making $70, but your disposable income doesn't go up geometrically with your salary. After he pays his higher marginal tax rates, his 401(k) contributions, their health insurance, etc. he's got much less than 2.5x what she'll max out at when she gets a job.
So figure out the proportions based on net, or take-home, whatever. That wasn't my point.

quote:

I do agree that he should shoulder more of the load for a little while because of the move, but I think if she ends up making a tiny salary and he has to pay 3/4 of the bills, he's going to start to resent it.
If so, then like I said, it's time to break up. Not stay in the relationship while being resentful and controlling about it.


quote:

We've talked about marriage, and it is definitely in the cards at some point. I don't know when we're getting married, but it would most likely be within the next two or three years assuming we are still together at that point.
Seriously, whatever money you spend on couples counseling will be well spent.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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I'm glad you like not having internet access, but most people aren't (shouldn't be) comfortable with posting on SA over office wifi or logging into anything on a public bus's wifi. Good luck.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
:unsmith: i like nice words
The numbers there are a bit weird (not impossible, just unusual). In addition to being a college student, he must work just about 30 hours/week, which isn't really part-time. In a year he'd make $26k (before tax, not allowing any unpaid time off) but he's saved $15k.

If he's that hardcore about it, it's pretty weird he's just like "oh bummer, have it all for no reason."

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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That joke is appalling, Dobermans aren't black and white.

And How to Win Friends and Influence People would be a better choice.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Sucks to be you, Cornell would've covered your need 100%. Ivy Leagues have generous finaid (this is just a quick link, there's tons more info)

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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I don't know about Cornell specifically, but yes, the Ivies made that shift around 2003-2004 with the big three leading.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Renegret posted:

It's so bland looking.

Reminds me when my mother won a genuine Louis Vuitton hand bag a year ago at some raffle. It was just some bland, unremarkable bowl of undecorated leather with two leather straps bolted on to hold it by. Sure the leather felt nice, but it was so boring looking. Retail price was $300. It's currently collecting dust in the attic.
It's you. You are the reason designer poo poo has LV LV LV LV stamped across every square inch in neon colors.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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MrOnBicycle posted:

To be fair, Burberry trench coats looks very good. I'd never buy one, though, since the quality doesn't come anywhere near the price they're asking for it.
The Burberry trench coat linked above does not look very good. It looks like one of the designers got drunk and said "Some idiots will buy anything, let's see what happens if we sew up a plastic picnic tablecloth."

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Dirk Diggler posted:

I'm getting real loving tired of reading the same stupid derail about "oh the city's so great, I don't know why someone wouldn't want to live in a city, hurr" every 3 goddamn pages. People value different things and not everyone wants to live in an urban center, alright? This isn't a difficult concept to understand.

Now for the love of God everyone shut the gently caress up about cities and post more stories about people being dumbasses with money.
I'm more tired of the "cities are bad with money, they don't actually have any jobs there, everyone should live in the boondocks and work in a fantastic call center" from a certain poster. Maybe we could just drop both lines of debate.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Dirk Diggler posted:

Here's a simple solution, instead of acting like he just insulted your mother and pissed on your pet, ignore it.
And you could ignore people who like cities, but here we are.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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My mom keeps cash around the house because apparently my dad is getting hella garnished for mystifyingly bad credit card decisions. At least it's in a hidden fireproof safe but :sigh: Cash at home is just the tip of the bad-with-money iceberg, obviously.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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It really depends on the individual -- for whatever reason, people react in opposite ways to the same situation. I grew up without a whole lot, not like poverty-poverty but money was always tight, my parents were/are always paycheck-to-paycheck, and I hated it so much I would do anything to avoid that. I was unhealthily frugal for awhile, but I feel like I'm chilling out into a good place now.

I see people in my office -- NYC professionals -- who are like "Oh no, let's not go out until Thursday, that's payday" and it blows my loving mind.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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MrKatharsis posted:

I'm doing everything wrong here and I still get along with my coworkers. "I don't feel like eating out," "buying a house is not my idea of fun," and "I hit the max on my 401k" aren't fighting words at a workplace with reasonable people.
We had a little investing 101 class at my office awhile ago. Nobody I knew went (obv), but the topic came up a few days later at lunch. I said it just covered super basic stuff, maxing out your Roth IRA and 401k matching, and they looked at me like I was a wizard (I'm totally not, that's most of what I do). It turned out none of them did either one. But they have money for annual international vacations! And this is not working second shift on the assembly line, these are all NYC professionals 5-10+ years into their careers. I'll never be rich, I'm not a Mustache guy, but I don't understand how they're not terrified.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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I don't drink, and I don't see how it's "socially crippling." Are you like an addict who can't go anywhere alcohol is served? If so, then yeah. If not, you can do all the stuff that people who drink do, just holding a soda/water. If you don't make a big deal of it, most people get over it fast.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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You can definitely pay doctors in cash. You might even get a discount for it.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Doctors already have a ton of other attractive things including cocaine, speed, and opiates of all kinds. A few thousand is unlikely to be make-or-break. Call ahead, but especially if it's closer to $5k than $20k, it'll probably be fine.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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MJBuddy posted:

They might have a trial dosage of some stuff, but I doubt it includes schedule 2 narcotics.
I'm assuming you pay at the place where the procedure is happening, so if you're getting a nose job there's cocaine, if you're getting your teeth fixed or LASIK there's Xanax, etc. And there are prescription pads at any office. So since doctors' offices don't get held up for any of that, I don't think a couple thousand bucks will do it. But sure, call ahead to check.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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If you've ever been at that level, you'd know $24/week is a huge chunk of your budget. Like your entire grocery budget.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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1) That story is even more amazing given all those lending discrimination stats. That family is clearly Black Loan Dollars Georg.

2) The part about how they've been living in their $600k house with no payments for six years, but they tried to evict the condo renter after three months -- that is literally a Bible story. Like could not be any more accurate.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Living anywhere and not pulling in 5 figures is bad with money :eng101:

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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Just curious, what's like a normal but sane vacation? I always do it the cheap way -- Southwest sale flight to another state, then stay at a friend's. That's really fun, but it seems like my peers are all globetrotters. How does that work, are they all going into debt or being bankrolled by their parents or what? Or is it normal to drop a few thousand on vacation every year?

This is 20s, no kids, decent job, NYC.

Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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I could afford to*, I'm just wondering what's normal but reasonable.

* in the sense that I'd still be saving a decent % of my salary, although obviously I'd lose those few thousand or have to find places to cut other spending

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Anne Whateley
Feb 11, 2007
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You don't need to spend a decade as a chef to know you shouldn't give yourself food poisoning from eating ancient moldy poo poo because "lol bachelor what else am I gonna do."

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