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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

gret posted:

And now you'll have the pleasure of paying to view their lovely articles on their lovely website.

The paywall is there for your own good.

One of favorite Colbert interviews was the one in which he told replicant Gavin Newstrom his book on digital democracy was a pile of buzz word loaded poo poo.

etalian fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Jul 16, 2013

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

CrazyLittle posted:

The "bubble" didn't pop in San Francisco or Oakland during the first dot-com implosion, nor did it pop after the 2008 financial crisis. I wouldn't call the market "bubble-proof" but holy gently caress it's the closest thing I've ever seen to something like that.

Yeah to need a crash you would somehow need all the big names such as Apple and Google to somehow crash together as part of some big market change.

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

ANYONE
BUT
CARDOZA even though he retired last year
I swear to god, between 2010 (when I first saw them) and June 2013 (my most recent trip through the I-5) an OBAMA-CREATED DUST BOWL sign popped up along the freeway.

It's almost as if people don't understand the tragedy of the commons such how agriculture gets such cheap water rates compared to the rest the state and such cheap rates discourage improvements such as growing less water hungry crops/upgrading farm capital for better conservation.

etalian fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jul 17, 2013

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


Even the scenic tenderloin has a median studio price of $1800.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I guess it's good since it's showing the state economy is making a genuine recovery with better property tax revenues for local government but on the hand means even worse cost of living problems in places such as the Bay area.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

UberJew posted:

The rent on a studio apartment in SF is only slightly less than my entire take home pay working for the state (meaning wages are set statewide with no consideration for cost of living).

Guess the only place where there are job openings for my classification? :getin:

By the old 25% housing cost rule you would need to make at least $86000 a year gross, which doesn't factor in the higher cost of living in all the other areas for the Bay area.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Maybe they could just move some of the tech companies to the Nothern weedapolis?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

EBT posted:

Even prices in the (lovely) east bay are crazy. My asbestos packed apartment went up 250 dollars/month this year.

At least you don't have to worry about the place catching on fire.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

krysmopompas posted:

Yeah, but consider the downsides to Wisconsin - you have a grand total of 1 possible employer unless you retire, change industries, or do your own thing (good luck hiring.) It's easy to buy but not exactly easy to sell a place, or even rent it. So once you get laid off you're moving to another state, and you might be sitting on another mortgage for 4 years.

I'm moving from Wisconsin to the bay area and this is honestly the first time I've ever felt comfortable with the prospect of buying something. Stability and options seem to be worth it.

So you made millions of dollars in Wisconsin?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

krysmopompas posted:

You don't need millions of dollars in Oakland.

It's reasonably priced and exciting for most neighborhoods.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

FMguru posted:

Or East Palo Alto, or Vallejo, or Richmond, or Fairfield...

Of course, there are reasons why those places are several notches cheaper than media Bay Area prices...

They help people stay car-free?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Big tech companies in the Bay Area should be required by law to build Judge Dredd Megablocks to house their employees.

You could even have block wars between the Steve Jobs and Larry Page megablocks.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

FRINGE posted:

Oh downtown how I miss thee. (lol)

LA looks like the Dredd megacity

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

I like the article on apartments of the future for the Bay Area:
(Only $1600 a month)

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Ardennes posted:

Rapidly approaching just straight up dystopia.

My favorite design feature is the toilet being inside the shower stall:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26uhyKV3aAc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MThgocKFPuw

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Family Values posted:

The Bay Area's future being Hong Kong's present sounds about right.

Rabbit cage housing for only $1200 a month.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

FilthyImp posted:

Looks like SanFran should fly in some Japanese architects. Those homes look like Japanese concepts.

Well thanks to the micro-apartment concept getting approved in 2012, I'm sure they will be flying in lots of Japanese architects.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

nm posted:

San Francisco is going to LOVE your Hummer.
That said, I would do basically anything to avoid rush hour on the golden gate Bridge.

On on a similar note, the Hummer limo is one of the more embarrassing inventions in human history.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

withak posted:

Yeah the "bottom" was still way above a lot of people's price range.

This is pretty interesting:
(Find your county)
http://www.dqnews.com/charts/monthly-charts/ca-city-charts/zipcar.aspx

All the non-Central valley/big population center counties saw at least 25% appreciation vs. 2012.

etalian fucked around with this message at 19:31 on Jul 21, 2013

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Ha, all the Bay area posts make me wish for "Where should I move" amazing flowchart infographic.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Obdicut posted:

I worked on Quintin Mecke mayoral campaign. He got about 5% of the vote I think. He's like thirty times as honest and five times as smart as Newsome.

But Newsome is a class 4 Nexus model.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Grand Prize Winner posted:

All Californian politics are hopelessly corrupt: fun with the LAPD.

LA Confidential wasn't far from reality.

LA also had the famous Rampart police station that provided inspiration for The Shield.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

OneEightHundred posted:

I lived in north Fresno for a year and it has a pretty good combination of great weather and cheap housing (the COL is pretty low overall because of how staggeringly cheap the food is), but the job market is completely abysmal. It's a place that nobody should be without either being retired, or fully prepared to leave.

Yeah it's really interesting to look at unemployment tables for the whole states, places in Central valley are 14%-20% unemployment:
Find you county here http://www.calmis.ca.gov/file/lfmonth/countyur-400c.pdf

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

FCKGW posted:

10.3% unemployment and 42% housing appreciation over the last year :stare:
Gotta love those for bedroom communities

Nothing says recovery like another cycle of real estate speculation.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Dusseldorf posted:

Anywhere north of 580 in Oakland is relatively safe. Also Berkeley is fine to live in as well as many areas in the south bay.

Even Oakland had 48% median price appreciation vs. 2012

:wth:

Soon no area will be safe from high salary earning yuppies.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Seems like the only thing that can keep housing affordable is a citywide crime wave. :getin:

Hipsters should go around mugging people, not to get money but just because it would keep the rent affordable in the last bay area pockets of resistance such as Oakland.

Remember this old crusader?
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Police-arrest-Mission-s-anti-yuppie-crusader-3303625.php

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Geared Hub posted:

What's the story with Treasure Island?

Seems like it could be a cool spot, but after doing my limited research its a combination hazmat us government site turned into affordable housing that's run by a company that doesn't really give a poo poo about tenants...

Does that sound about right?

It also will be deathtrap during a earthquake due to the liquefaction effect and how it's basically built on a pile of trash.

It also has unique hazards such as really high radiation readings since many ships contaminated by cold war nuke testing made harbor at the island:
https://www.baycitizen.org/news/env..._eid=f3447a622b

etalian fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jul 23, 2013

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

The real treasure is all the rare Cesium isotopes.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Miss-Bomarc posted:

It's going to help the rental market for the five or six corporate entities that will, after a few years, own 65% of the residential property in California (and that will go up to 85% if you restrict it to the property that's anywhere near anything worthwhile.) They'll be able to dictate terms to potential renters through sheer size, rather than being subject to rent-control and eviction-notice and similar laws that forced smaller property owners to treat tenants as equals rather than income. They'll be able to control price by controlling supply (people aren't willing to pay your exorbitant rents? Just take half your units off the market! They'll *beg* to pay $2500 a month for a studio in Redwood City if that's the only thing they can *get*.) And since they're large-asset corporate entities rather than actual residents, they can just sit on empty units forever instead of having to sell them at the market price, which guarantees that whatever *does* go on the market will go for prices that make 2005 look reasonable.

Yeah plus history show big monopolies make it easier to do things such as price controls and other tricks to stifle genuine competition in something such as rental market.

Sort of why things such as a lack of internet providers always leaders to lovely service, not enough upgrades and also higher monthly rates.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Buckwheat Sings posted:

I can't tell if we're lucky or not getting a really nice 1,200 sqft home in Marina Del Ray/Culver City for 360,000 2 years ago. So far, yes? Though I really don't like the current news of HOME PRICES AMAZING IT CAN ONLY GO UP!!! coming back again.

Yeah it's pretty deja vu, I guess people are too dumb to realize another model with reasonable rent/house costs would be better than the home is a investment mindset.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

enraged_camel posted:

This is perpetuated by sleazy real estate agents. I had one such "friend" on Facebook who kept posting stuff like "It's a great time to buy a house! I just a got a new list of amazing property - contact me if you're in the market!"

The California numbers are really insane, something such as stable normal recovery is a few points of appreciation per year but all the population center counties are seeing double digit appreciation vs. 2012.

The green highlighed numbers show the min and max median price for the time window:


So Oakland peak at 512k during the bubble

Comedy comparison option:

etalian fucked around with this message at 14:10 on Jul 27, 2013

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Which part of the state best matches the Dredd opening scene?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbcoOqGKFi8

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Buckwheat Sings posted:

Eat recycled food. It's good for the environment and okay for you!

Seriously though LA has all these cool places within 30 minutes of downtown. It's just that downtown really sucks(though it's getting better!). Maybe I'm just used to it. I used to hate LA when I first moved here 6 years ago.

Well a pile of cities are taking a serious look at improving their downtown areas and also working on issues such increasing mass transit coverage.

It's still really hard to get things going such as better mass transit for things such as convincing people to fund new projects since similar to Detroit LA became a pretty car focused city.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

SirPablo posted:

I learned that Reagan single handedly saved the american economy by lowering taxes and getting inflation under control. Bork was not confirmed due to partisanship. Ron new nothing about selling weapons to fund terrorists. Socialism is Bad. It CAN be done. He was a proud union man. Peace through strength.

It was informative at least, strolling through the old air force one was cool too. And the location was quite nice.

The Bush library is really hilarious too for the choose your adventure game that forces you to destroy Iraq.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Willa Rogers posted:

I'd like to think there's a animatron of Nancy waving from one corner. Don't tell me if that's not the case.

I hope it has a "The best blowjob in hollywood" sign above her.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

The Nixon meeting Elvis story was brilliantly surreal.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

withak posted:

Not to distract from the real argument (about pizza), but the SFBG made an attempt at doing some actual journalism about the BART negotiations.

http://www.sfbg.com/politics/2013/08/05/mouths-bart-workers-cleaning-dreaded-escalators-skirting-death

They talk to a train mechanic who cites a previous reduction in safety effort as a cause in the death of a track worker and one of the janitors who cleans the poo poo and piss out of the elevators every day.

Protip: Don't read the comments.

Great article showing how unions help promote fair wages, job safety and benefits even for people doing jobs such as janitor.

The comments are pretty horrible from the typical Fox News types claiming people such as janitors shouldn't get a living wage and medical benefits since it's not a smart valuable job.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Grand Prize Winner posted:

Here's a little something I was wondering: how well-represented are the non-latino immigrant communities in California?

For that matter, who are they? Japanese? Chinese? I noticed a ton of Armenians where I used to live but I think they're pretty thin on the ground once you get away from the westerly parts of LA county.

Well there's this link with the massive table:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_California

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Ho Chi Mint posted:

Can someone give me a good summary of California's financial status? Are the taxes high compared to the rest of the country, has the state balanced its budget?

From a budget perspective the state is crawling out of the recession due to improving tax revenues, even though ironically things such as bubble-esque real estate speculation are back.

Like many other states it also trouble with corporate tax income evasion such as how tech companies such as Google or Apple cleverly play the offshore trick to reduce their tax burden.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Ho Chi Mint posted:

Thanks, this is very informative!

The line I hear from guys at work is "California is broke because it has too many social services and Union leeches."

It's also the classic case of corporate tax evasion again due to the generous property tax laws and also how many of the big companies such as Google
are masters of offshoring corporate profits in lower overseas tax areas such as Ireland.

For example Google uses the Dublin office to declare all the EU zone profits since Ireland offers a special 12.1% tax rate to certain corporations.

The whole Prop 13 trainwreck is also another amusing example of the direct democracy concept being pretty horrible given all the negative effects
such as locking down the house market or how it required increasing regressive type consumption rates such as sales tax which affect the poor more.

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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Zeitgueist posted:

Not even remotely true. California is(was) broke because rich people don't want to pay taxes, just like most every other state.

Plus a good amount of the problem was due to requiring a 2/3 majority to pass thing such as budget or tax bills. It wasn't possible to pass such things until the failure of the GOP led to a democratic supermajority.

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