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Speaking of the company's financial issues, where does that issue end? There's been a pretty steady stream of new projects for a while now - the TV show and the reboot titles, before that Afterlife, and before that stuff like Will You Marry Me and Kevin's introduction - that have all been pretty well received. I'm pretty ignorant of the business side of stuff, but it seems like the company is doing what it needs to do in seeking out new endeavors, and furthermore that their attempts have been successful. Are they still falling that far short of turning profits? Or is it a question of waiting to make returns on all this stuff? I just want Archie to be around for 100 more years 
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I appreciated the reference to Madam Satan in this weeks Riverdale. Liking the show so far, although I could do with less of the Grundy/Archie subplot.
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Edmund Lava posted:I appreciated the reference to Madam Satan in this weeks Riverdale. Liking the show so far, although I could do with less of the Grundy/Archie subplot. It seems to be coming to a head.
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Edmund Lava posted:I appreciated the reference to Madam Satan in this weeks Riverdale. Liking the show so far, although I could do with less of the Grundy/Archie subplot. I liked how even in this modernized, more "grounded" take on the characters, they apparently still called each other "Little Archie", and presumably "Little Betty" and "Little Jughead" when they were kids, the same way they do in the Little Archie comics. Also I have no evidence for this whatsoever, but since Ms. Grundy is, by leaps and bounds, so much further from her character than any other depicted on the show, I wonder if it's really her. Like, maybe a grifter who stole an old lady's identity or something? Betty's mom is the only other character who's a lot different from her comics character, but she also has a lot less visibility than Ms. Grundy does in the comics.
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Feb 4, 2017 15:55
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Argue posted:I liked how even in this modernized, more "grounded" take on the characters, they apparently still called each other "Little Archie", and presumably "Little Betty" and "Little Jughead" when they were kids, the same way they do in the Little Archie comics. Maybe they'll introduce a relative later on who'll be closer to the comic's version, seems like the kind of thing I could see the show doing, kinda like how Smallville had two versions of Jimmy Olsen over its run(at least if I'm remembering correctly)
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Feb 4, 2017 19:38
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I mean, I would never, ever expect Archie to be sleeping with Ms. Grundy in the comics. She's clearly drawn to be much older, while TV Grundy barely looks older than the high schoolers. (Granted, given how these things are cast, she might be five years older than the actors at most.)
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Endless Mike posted:I mean, I would never, ever expect Archie to be sleeping with Ms. Grundy in the comics. She's clearly drawn to be much older, while TV Grundy barely looks older than the high schoolers. (Granted, given how these things are cast, she might be five years older than the actors at most.) She's actually 15 years older than the kid playing Archie believe it or not. He's 19, she's 34. That's probably more than the age difference is even supposed to be in the show as I figured she was supposed to be a younger teacher in her mid twenties.
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feetnotes posted:Speaking of the company's financial issues, where does that issue end? There's been a pretty steady stream of new projects for a while now - the TV show and the reboot titles, before that Afterlife, and before that stuff like Will You Marry Me and Kevin's introduction - that have all been pretty well received. Yeah, I'm legitimately curious about this too. What's the deal? They seem to be doing okay at a glance, and yet they're really, really not doing okay somehow. Endless Mike posted:I mean, I would never, ever expect Archie to be sleeping with Ms. Grundy in the comics. She's clearly drawn to be much older, while TV Grundy barely looks older than the high schoolers. (Granted, given how these things are cast, she might be five years older than the actors at most.) When I heard about Archie loving Ms. Grundy in the show, I did a serious double-take because I had no idea they aged her down and that would be mad surreal to have Archie loving a 90-year-old.
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Argue posted:Wait, when did Sugar Sugar get played? Haha only in the promo for the second ep.
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Gaz-L posted:Otherwise the main title is basically the best thing Waid's writing, to the point where it almost feels like he's more focused on it than his Marvel work. That might explain why Champions is hot garbage, Waid only has enough teen-speak in him to shoulder one book at a time.
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I think it's more that he doesn't really try to use hip teen-speak in Archie, knowing that Archie is supposed to be timeless, to a point.
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Endless Mike posted:I think it's more that he doesn't really try to use hip teen-speak in Archie, knowing that Archie is supposed to be timeless, to a point. Also possible.
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Feb 6, 2017 17:47
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:When I heard about Archie loving Ms. Grundy in the show, I did a serious double-take because I had no idea they aged her down and that would be mad surreal to have Archie loving a 90-year-old. So wait, the show actually features statutory rape and nobody is freaking out about it?
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Feb 6, 2017 22:41
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biracial bear for uncut posted:So wait, the show actually features statutory rape and nobody is freaking out about it? Maybe because it's a story on a TV show and not a real thing happening in the real world. I also didn't call the police when Jason Blossom turned up with a gunshot wound to the head.
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Feb 6, 2017 22:49
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After Archie had a graphically violent zombie story and was assassinated in place of his gay friend it's probably hard for Archie fans to really get upset about shocking things involving Archie.
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Yes and no. I was legitimately shocked reading through Afterlife the first time, it was the 1-2 punch of seeing the characters treated more "realistically" AND involved in such violent actions both for the first time. But in the end they're zombies, there's still that science-fiction element to the violence. Life with Archie's deaths were more true-to-life and less fantastical, but they were also more PG. Miss Grundy dies of...cancer?...off-screen and though it's clear Archie gets shot it's not gory at all, especially in comparison to what Afterlife did. Archie and the Predator has straight up gore kills, but it's also Fernando Ruiz on artwork, so it comes off almost slapstick, like a b-movie where the tone of the killing is more "crazy action" than psychological terror. They've been willing to play with how lax they are with violence in certain titles. Even if there's always caveats and Jughead is never just like straight up merkin' dudes with shotguns or whatever. I think it's one of the ways the company wants to signal it's making more "modern" comics, or at least use it to grab headlines. I have no problems with them trying stuff like this! But I have to admit I prefer the classic stuff any time. Sex is a whole different matter. There's always been making out and suggestive "being alone together"  talk but they've always laid off saying "these teenagers are banging!"Maybe they think it will seem less controversial if it's Archie and a teacher? Or more, but in a way that doesn't mess up the "love triangle but betty and veronica are best friends" thing. I dunno the sexual politics of the Archieverse get real weird as soon as you take it out of being a sanitized gag strip, but Archie Comics is, creatively, getting a lot of mileage out of contrasting contemporary values with the traditional, archetypal characters. I actually haven't watched the show yet cause I think I might hate it. If it's JUST "This ain't your daddy's Archie  I prolly won't dig it but I have to give it a shot before I decide!
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X-O posted:Maybe because it's a story on a TV show and not a real thing happening in the real world. I also didn't call the police when Jason Blossom turned up with a gunshot wound to the head. I'm talking about the same people that bitch and moan any time there is any kind of sex or sex-related situations on a TV show. We all already know that people are just fine with violence on TV.
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biracial bear for uncut posted:I'm talking about the same people that bitch and moan any time there is any kind of sex or sex-related situations on a TV show. As I recall they already all jumped ship with a shake of the fist back when Kevin got a series
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Pacey slept with his teacher when I was a kid a billion years ago 
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Teenage Fansub posted:Pacey slept with his teacher when I was a kid a billion years ago Yeah but was she hot? Also Boston Public had numerous teacher/student sex plots.
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Rhyno posted:Yeah but was she hot? There were some fine honeys on that show. Also that show was loving awesome. This has nothing to do with Archie
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Endless Mike posted:I think it's more that he doesn't really try to use hip teen-speak in Archie, knowing that Archie is supposed to be timeless, to a point. Pretty much, except for the fact that the kids text rather than use the landline and Veronica being cut off from the internet being a plot point, it could basically take place at any point after Ferris Bueller was released. It reads something like a modern YA novel crossed with John Hughes. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 23:21 on Feb 8, 2017 |
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Gaz-L posted:Pretty much, except for the fact that the kids text rather than use the landline and Veronica being cut off from the internet being a plot point, it could basically take place at any point after Ferris Bueller was released. It reads something like a modern YA novel crossed with John Hughes. Yeah, that's why I said "to a point." Making a comic without those things today would instantly date then but putting them in will probably make them relatively timeless for a long time. At worst they'll line nicely quaint in a decade or so.
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Macaluso posted:There were some fine honeys on that show. I was just giving an example of the trope being used elsewhere! But yes, many fine honeys.
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feetnotes posted:I actually haven't watched the show yet cause I think I might hate it. If it's JUST "This ain't your daddy's Archie It's loyal to the comics without being true to them. It's also a comedy that never tips its hat or winks, but clearly knows how ridiculous it is. For all it's too clever dialogue, it still lets its characters do the work. EDIT: Also spoiler about Grundy, turns out that Ms. Grundy is not just really old, but dead. And whoever Archie is sleeping with stole her identity. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Feb 11, 2017 |
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Speaking of Riverdale, I think you should make a thread for it in TVIV Argue if you're still watching. I think you'd make a fine OP with all your Archie knowledge. And it seems to be getting a bigger and bigger following in the Couch Chat thread so I'd imagine it's about time for its own dedicated thread.
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Timeless Appeal posted:EDIT: Also spoiler about Grundy, turns out that Ms. Grundy is not just really old, but dead. And whoever Archie is sleeping with stole her identity. Argue posted:Also I have no evidence for this whatsoever, but since Ms. Grundy is, by leaps and bounds, so much further from her character than any other depicted on the show, I wonder if it's really her. Like, maybe a grifter who stole an old lady's identity or something? Betty's mom is the only other character who's a lot different from her comics character, but she also has a lot less visibility than Ms. Grundy does in the comics. Yessss my word on all things Archie is now officially law. X-O posted:Speaking of Riverdale, I think you should make a thread for it in TVIV Argue if you're still watching. I think you'd make a fine OP with all your Archie knowledge. And it seems to be getting a bigger and bigger following in the Couch Chat thread so I'd imagine it's about time for its own dedicated thread. Yeah I wasn't planning to originally but there seems to be enough interest in the general TV chat thread now. I'm on vacation at the moment but I can make the thread if the interested parties can wait two weeks.
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Argue posted:Yessss my word on all things Archie is now officially law. I think it'll need to be made sooner than that. But if someone else makes it I'd still like you post some of your trivia every so often. I read through all your posts in the thread and they're fantastic.
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Archie's signed a deal with Warner Bros to develop more stuff based on their other properties. To go with that news, Mark Waid's got an expanded editorial role at Archie now, and will be co-writing Jughead with Ian Flynn, following Ryan North's run. Derek Charm will stay on art. Mark Waid is great, and I don't read Sonic, but I understand Ian Flynn successfully salvaged the disaster that Ken Penders made of that, and I had fun reading his Megaman comic. Ian Flynn is pretty tight with Archie; I wonder if the creative team has finally "settled"; I find it strange how quickly they were rotating through writers and artists on Archie and Jughead.
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Gonna be honest, I know people were head over heals for Fiona Staples on Archie but I think Veronica Fish was the best artist by far on the book and I miss her. Joe Eisma is fine too, but Fish's issues looked the best to me. Derek Charm's Jughead is great too. The Sabrina issues looked really good.
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The Veronica Fish issues could have stood for a better inker, I think. I don't really have a strong opinion either way on her and Staples. I love Derek Charm, though.
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I just want Afterlife and Chilling Tales of Sabrina to hurry up and quit being Battle Chasers. (Or Blue Monday. Or A Distant Soil. You know... STUFF RELEASED SO SLOWLY IT MIGHT AS WELL BE IN REVERSE IT WOULD COME OUT FASTER GODDAMNIT EMPOWERED GETS RELEASED FASTER!  )No I don't care a tv show is more important to do. I want my grimdark comics that actually got me reading Archie, albeit just the New Riverdale stuff and some of the wacko crossovers like vs Predator and vs Sharknado.
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The two best artists by far were definitely Veronica Fish and Annie Wu. Annie Wu in particular had a style that eerily lands smack in between Staples and Fish's styles. I don't think I mentioned all of this in this thread, but they're putting out a series of one-shots on March 29, and if there's any interest, they'll probably be promoting them to series: Jughead: The Hunger - Horror title, werewolf Jughead; Frank Tieri and Matt Walsh The Archies - Alex Segura and Joe Eisma. Alex Segura's written books, but for comics, has only ever written for traditional Archie, so I dunno. Little Archie - By the Tiny Titans team. I hope it's more like crazy adventures with Little Archie, and less like Rugrats; given the team I think the former is a fair expectation. Sabrina - A non-horror teenage Sabrina title by Franco Aureliani (Tiny Titans) and Katie Cook/Andy Price (the Friendship is Magic comic) And two more in April: Little Sabrina - Also by the Tiny Titans team. Big Moose - Multiple stories by Sean Ryan, Ryan Cady and Gorf, and art by Cory Smith, Thomas Pitilli and Wilfredo Torres. Thomas Pitilli is the only name I know from this list. I wouldn't be interested in some of those as series, but I'll be picking up all of the one-shots and give them a chance to change my mind.
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If the Sabrina one is along the lines of her recent appearance in Jughead I'd be interested in that.
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WB and Archie are going in big together. They apparently view Riverdale as a big success and are looking to adapt more properties. http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/archie-comics-signs-development-deal-warner-bros-tv-975805
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That seems a bit hasty.
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So perfectly in-line with both companies' M.O.s, is what you're saying.
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Yeah I didn't wanna say, but it's very WB.
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Apparently Marvel has just made a deal with Archie as well, to distribute digest comics for them
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Didn't you guys know? Everybody loves Archie
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