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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Whats the goto character type for getting your first sil win?

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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Famethrowa posted:

Hey guys I know what we should do, let's argue about the definition of roguelikes :hurr:

But for serious, I'm a bit burned out in games that require loads of studying after playing EVE. What's a recommended roguelike that doesn't require a huge time commitment to even try to play? I'm craving something tough but relatively accessible. (and Nethack isn't quite cutting it :gibs: )

Crawl has an excellent tutorial and the community is generally extremely helpful.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Holy poo poo the food clock in the original rogue is absolutely brutal. :stare:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

quiggy posted:

Singleplayer Offline Dungeon Arena

What if you can play it online too? :ohdear:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Incredulous Dylan posted:

What would you folks recommend as a Roguelikelike for this specific usage scenario - I want to get high as hell and explore and fight stuff and maybe find some cool or overpowered stuff if I'm really lucky. Permadeath and all that preferred with no ASCII. I loved Binding of Isaac, FTL and once when I was pretty drunk Munchkin Quest ;)

Hop onto crawl webtiles and roll some troll chaos knights and see what xom gifts you.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Whats new in adom 1.2?
Also whats easy now or do the old power combos still dominate?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Just figured out how to find my logfiles on the server.
Heres my current dude.
http://ancardia.us.to/adom_users/lawman/oggasmas.vlg

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Oggasmash     St:28  Le:12  Wi:16  Dx:26  To:35  Ch:12  Ap:10  Ma:13  Pe:14 N=
DV/PV: 27/24   H: 291(291)    P: 47(47)      Exp: 17/358552     UD: 5 Sp: 102
Blessed Bloated Burdened

Damage caused with your melee weapons:
--------------------------------------
Right hand: +71 bonus to hit, 1d14+37 damage


Damage caused with your missile weapons:
----------------------------------------
No missile weapons available.




----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                   Spells
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

   Cure Critical Wounds:    15,  27pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Frost Bolt          :    89,  13pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Knock               :    13,  22pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Lightning Bolt      :    12,  22pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Magic Lock          :     3,  15pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Magic Map           :     1,  79pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Magic Missile       :     1,  15pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Slow Monster        :    10,  13pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Slow Poison         :     6,  11pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Strength of Atlas   :     5,  19pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Teleportation       :     4,  57pp     (Effectivity: +0)
   Web                 :     6,  23pp     (Effectivity: +0)


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                   Skills
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Athletics ................ 96    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Backstabbing ............. 96    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Climbing ................. 82    (great)        [+3d3]
  Dodge .................... 97    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Find weakness ............100    (superb)       [+1d5]
  First aid ................ 37    (fair)         [+4d5]
  Haggling ................. 17    (mediocre)     [+3d3]
  Healing ..................100    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Herbalism ................100    (superb)       [+3d3]
  Listening ................100    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Literacy ................. 76    (great)        [+1]
  Metallurgy ............... 14    (mediocre)     [+3d3]
  Mining ................... 51    (good)         [+1]
  Pick pockets ............. 78    (great)        [+1d3]
  Smithing ................. 32    (fair)         [+1d3]
  Stealth .................. 98    (superb)       [+3d3]
  Survival ................. 22    (mediocre)     [+4d4]
  Swimming ................. 98    (superb)       [+2d4]
  Tactics .................. 23    (mediocre)     [+2d4]
  Two weapon combat ........ 24    (mediocre)     [+1d5]


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                            Effects of Corruption
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

You sport gills (Ap: -3, water breathing).


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                  Inventory
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Total weight: 3570 stones                Carrying capacity: 4275 stones

Head          : uncursed mithril cap [+0, +2]                         [40s]
Neck          : blessed sapphire amulet "Preserver" [+4, +4] {Wi+7}    [3s]
Body          : uncursed leather apron (-1, -1) [+0, +2]              [75s]
Girdle        : blessed mithril girdle [+0, +2]                       [20s]
Cloak         : uncursed hooded cloak [+1, +0]                        [40s]
Right Hand    : -
Left Hand     : -
Right Ring    : uncursed ring of damage                                [1s]
Left Ring     : blessed ring of searching                              [1s]
Bracers       : uncursed bracers of toughness [+0, +0] {To+4}         [10s]
Gauntlets     : uncursed elemental gauntlets (-1, +0) [+0, +3]        [10s]
Boots         : uncursed mithril boots [+1, +2]                       [96s]
Missile Weapon: blessed heavy crossbow "The Far Slayer" (+18, +18)   [350s]
Missiles      : -
Tool          : uncursed small key                                     [1s]


----------------------------------------------------------------------------
                                    Stuff
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Total weight: 2923 stones   Carrying capacity: 4275 stones

Cloaks ('[')
   uncursed cloak of protection [+0, +3]                              [20s]
Girdles ('[')
   uncursed girdle of greed [+0, +0]                                   [7s]
Necklaces (''')
   blessed amulet of balance                                           [3s]
   uncursed amulet of death ray resistance                             [7s]
   uncursed amulet of light                                            [3s]
One-handed weapons ('(')
   uncursed mithril warhammer (+0, 2d3+3)                             [48s]
   uncursed pick axe (+3, 1d6+1)                                      [75s]
   uncursed hatchet (+0, 1d6+1)                                       [50s]
Missiles ('/')
   bundle of 8 uncursed quarrels of construct slaying (+3, 2d6+3)     [32s]
   bundle of 9 uncursed quarrels of slaying (+1, 2d6+1)               [18s]
   bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels (+4, 2d6)                            [14s]
   bundle of 3 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6+1)                           [6s]
   bundle of 3 uncursed quarrels (+3, 2d6)                             [6s]
   bundle of 2 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6-2)                           [4s]
   bundle of 5 uncursed adamantium quarrels of slaying (+1, 2d6+6)     [5s]
   blessed quarrel of hunting (+1, 2d6)                                [2s]
   uncursed quarrel of darkness (+1, 2d6)                              [2s]
   bundle of 4 uncursed quarrels of jelly slaying (+3, 2d6+3)         [16s]
   bundle of 37 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6)                           [74s]
   uncursed rusty quarrel of hunting (+1, 2d6)                         [2s]
   bundle of 9 blessed quarrels (+1, 2d6)                             [18s]
   uncursed winged quarrel (+1, 2d6)                                   [2s]
   bundle of 2 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6+2)                           [4s]
   bundle of 6 uncursed rusty quarrels (+1, 2d6)                      [12s]
   bundle of 11 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6-1)                         [22s]
   bundle of 12 uncursed quarrels (+1, 2d6+3)                         [24s]
   uncursed quarrel (+2, 2d6)                                          [2s]
   uncursed unerring quarrel (+1, 2d6)                                 [2s]
   uncursed barbed quarrel (+1, 2d6+6)                                 [2s]
   bundle of 4 blessed mithril quarrels (+1, 2d6+3)                    [8s]
   bundle of 7 uncursed quarrels of construct slaying (+3, 2d6+5)     [28s]
Tools (']')
   uncursed waterproof blanket                                        [10s]
   heap of 4 uncursed torches                                         [40s]
   uncursed square key                                                 [1s]
   uncursed small key                                                  [1s]
   uncursed anvil                                                   [1000s]
   uncursed hexagonal key                                              [1s]
   uncursed mithril ingot                                             [14s]
   heap of 2 uncursed holy symbols                                    [10s]
   uncursed climbing set                                             [180s]
   uncursed thieves picks                                              [5s]
   uncursed tinderbox (10)                                             [3s]
   blessed si                                                         [10s]
   uncursed tiny key                                                   [1s]
   uncursed triangular key                                             [1s]
   heap of 2 uncursed bandages                                         [4s]
   uncursed iron ingot                                                [20s]
   heap of 2 uncursed round keys                                       [2s]
   heap of 8 blessed bandages                                         [16s]
   blessed waterproof blanket                                         [10s]
   blessed fireproof blanket                                          [10s]
   mithril ingot                                                      [14s]
   iron ingot                                                         [20s]
Rings ('=')
   uncursed ring of the clear mind                                     [1s]
   uncursed ring of ice                                                [1s]
   blessed ring of fire resistance                                     [1s]
Wands ('\')
   blessed wand of stunning (1 charge)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (3 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of webbing (6 charges)                                [3s]
   uncursed wand of trap creation (2 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of teleportation (1 charge)                           [4s]
   uncursed wand of fire (1 charge)                                    [4s]
   uncursed wand of magic missiles (7 charges)                         [3s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (5 charges)                          [3s]
   blessed wand of digging (3 charges)                                 [3s]
   uncursed wand of ball lightning (6 charges)                         [4s]
   blessed wand of cold (1 charge)                                     [4s]
   blessed wand of door creation (3 charges)                           [3s]
   blessed wand of door creation (3 charges)                           [3s]
   blessed wand of item detection (2 charges)                          [3s]
   blessed wand of trap creation (7 charges)                           [3s]
   uncursed wand of item detection (2 charges)                         [3s]
   uncursed wand of teleportation (4 charges)                          [4s]
   blessed wand of trap detection (3 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (4 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of teleportation (3 charges)                          [4s]
   blessed wand of trap creation (10 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of acid (3 charges)                                   [4s]
   blessed wand of monster detection (7 charges)                       [3s]
   blessed wand of fireballs (12 charges)                              [3s]
   blessed wand of gold detection (1 charge)                           [6s]
   uncursed wand of door creation (7 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of trap creation (0 charges)                          [3s]
   uncursed wand of knocking (7 charges)                               [3s]
Potions ('!')
   uncursed potion of boost speed                                      [2s]
   heap of 3 uncursed potions of cure poison                           [6s]
   uncursed potion of visibility                                       [4s]
   heap of 4 uncursed potions of healing                              [16s]
   heap of 2 blessed potions of healing                                [8s]
   heap of 3 uncursed potions of carrot juice                         [12s]
   blessed potion of blindness                                         [2s]
   heap of 4 uncursed potions of invisibility                         [16s]
   heap of 6 uncursed potions of extra healing                        [12s]
   heap of 2 uncursed berzio potions                                   [4s]
   uncursed potion of boost toughness                                  [2s]
   uncursed potion of blindness                                        [2s]
   uncursed potion of boost willpower                                  [2s]
   uncursed potion of boost strength                                   [2s]
   cursed potion of cure poison                                        [2s]
   uncursed potion of exchange                                         [4s]
   uncursed potion of booze                                            [4s]
   potion of holy water                                                [4s]
   uncursed potion of ultra healing                                    [2s]
Scrolls ('?')
   heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of power                                 [6s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of satiation                             [4s]
   heap of 3 uncursed scrolls of magic mapping                         [6s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of dark predictions                      [4s]
   blessed scroll of power                                             [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of darkness                              [4s]
   uncursed scroll of peace                                            [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of uncursing                             [4s]
   blessed scroll of identify                                          [2s]
   uncursed scroll of balance                                          [2s]
   uncursed scroll of vermin control                                   [2s]
   heap of 2 uncursed scrolls of light                                 [4s]
   uncursed scroll of cure blindness                                   [2s]
   uncursed scroll of gold detection                                   [2s]
   cursed scroll of identify                                           [2s]
Food ('%')
   10 billion herbs and some beeswax
Valuables ('$')
   32886 gold pieces                                                 [328s]
Gems ('*')
   uncursed aquamarine                                                 [1s]

Sorry for the wall of text but im carrying around a bunch of stuff and I just wanted to get some advice about equipment. :ohdear:
As a beastfighter what kind of armor should I be aiming for since I had this nice splint mail of carrying that got blown to pieces by a trap so im using the ancient mummy wrapping now.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Space Bat posted:

You may have already sold it, but one of the Dwarf town quests gives you a suit of blessed mithril chain mail which is pretty decent. Really just looking out for anything that's mithril or better with a high PV is the best plan. Still, if you haven't been crowned yet hang onto those wrappings so you get something better then Cold Immunity if you get crowned.

Already got crowned with lightning immunity and im pretty sure that mithril chain mail was actually really bad.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

German Joey posted:

since you're a beastfighter, you should aim to get the highest protection values as you can because you can't wear a shield. have you done darkforge yet? you have far slayer (have you been training up your xbow skill?? train this up!!) and multiple quarrels of construct slaying, so you should have no problem with the golems. if you're feeling nervous busting in the front door, you could even backdoor it if you have cTele installed because you also have multiple zaps worth of teleportation wands. the weapons there won't matter for you, but you can usually find some decent armor up there, a dragon scale mail for instance. once i even found the robes of resistance there.

I just did it and I got nothing except for some plain mithril chain mail.
edit: Also German Joey 1.2 fucks ctele in darkforge :ssh: though I probably found some good weapons to sacrifice or something.

Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 02:13 on Dec 23, 2013

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

madjackmcmad posted:

I think the silhouettes in the ToMe art really helps, the enemies are pretty clearly defined, no? I mean, quick, which one of those Crawl orcs has a bow? Which one is fast and probably gets two attacks in a round? That's what I was shooting for in the Dungeonmans orc set:

As everyone else has said crawl tells you what type of weapons they are wielding in tiles and tells you when they have switched to a ranged weapon.
I think one of the main problems is that they don't really tell you when that orc warlord (the big beefy red orc) is has quivered a tomahawk (this is actually probably an obsolete complaint since throwing random poo poo just got nerfed) and is about to bean you in the head with it for 50 damage or if hes wearing some GDA or some really good plate mail or something.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

100 HOGS AGREE posted:

ToME didn't win roguelike of the year! The system works.

(the system is busted, look at what won. :laffo:)

Ahahhahahahahahahahahaha this is great.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Are there any good newbie guides for getting a chaotic character off the ground in ADOM? I'm new to ADOM in general and Chaos Knight has been a pretty fun but most information/guides I can find are for neutral/lawful characters.

Chaos knights are a straight up challenge class, (they are not allowed to do many things and are supposed to aim for one of the special endings instead of the normal one) my suggestion would be to roll something like a troll barbarian or orc archer.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Ibram Gaunt posted:

Oh alright, with how easy I was killing things at the start I assumed they were a newbie one. Thanks.

Troll barbarians have a good chance to knab vanquisher which is the best two-handed weapon in the entire game and will be skilled with it when you are crowned.

quote:

Vanquisher is most notable for having seven slaying powers -- meaning it is guaranteed to land a critical hit on any monster except beasts, insects and plants
Barbarians have some really really good crowning gifts.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Sil is still really really hard. :saddowns:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

German Joey posted:

you say that, but there's been multiple players able to win 20+ games in a row with different species/classes every game.

Well we should make the point that they are far far more cautious than most players when they are on a streak. :v:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

oiseaux morts 1994 posted:

Crawl does have a wacky flavour, but I think what MrBims is trying to point out that a lot of (bad) *bands just throw wacky poo poo into them without concern for balance, gameplay or rough thematic consistency. PosCheng looks to follow in that noble lineage.

Actually lately thanks to marvinPA there has been a no fun or wacky things movement in crawl thats getting really annoying.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

SageAcrin posted:

Do note, though, that if you're looking for a dedicated summoning playstyle, ToME is probably better for it.

If you just want some occasional zombies, though, Crawl works for that quite well.

Someone never played an old Mummy Summoner apparently. :colbert:
Anyways if anyone wants a good laugh take a look at the Slash'Em extended page.
http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Slash%27EM_Extended
by laugh I mean nervous laugh as you slowly lose faith in humanity :negative:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I got to 850' in sil!
Then I died. :(

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I still like adom.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

RickVoid posted:

Enemy spawns are based entirely off your max health. More health = stronger more difficult incredibly cheap rear end in a top hat enemies.

That pretty much tells you everything you need to know about the difficulty curve of the game.

Pretty sure its not a curve as much as it is a wall.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

So did any of the standard builds in sil change viability or are the changes not a big deal?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Today I got to 800ft for the first time in sil.
Then I promptly got murdered by an Earth Elemental can someone tell me how much melee you should have by those floors?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Killed Durin for the first time. :toot:
Also Listen is an amazing skill that has paid for itself already.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

:saddowns:
I got two shot by a Fire Elemental.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Why are polearms terrible in sil?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

So what has changed with the latest ADOM versions?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

The lockdown has made me crazy enough to try and beat nethack again with the new version. I noticed they made some major e-word changes. Anything else I should take note of?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Also I want to put it out there that I despise sokoban

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

I hate floating eyes. :(

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

power word- Jeb! posted:

i love nethack but i don't think i could actually play it again. in particular gehennom is way too much of a slog

Man I got an ok valkyrie coming online and I can already feel the tedium creeping in.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Helianthus Annuus posted:

are you playing on a server? like NAO

Yeah on nao just killed medusa

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Decided to gently caress around with UnNethack for a bit and found out it had auto explore :aaaaa:

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Robo Reagan posted:

Is there anything that fits in the baby's first Roguelike like Dungeons of Dredmor? Finally getting in to this game and I want something to look forward to when I'm done with it. Good story or humor is a huge plus. Part of the reason it's hard for me to get in to some of these balls hard games is I don't have a story or anything to keep me going.

Suffer with me in nethack op.
update: about to clear out fort ludios and snagged a wand of death now I just need to find a charging scroll.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

power word- Jeb! posted:

whats your nao name?

Lawman0

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Lmao I snagged a wand of wishing on the second valkyrie quest level :thurman:

Lawman 0 fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 16, 2020

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Helianthus Annuus posted:

drat, you are set!

what did you wish for

Uh two scrolls of charging, Silver dragon scale mail, fixed speed boots, a magic marker and I think I got one more wish left but I'm not sure what to spend it on. :(

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Jazerus posted:

you can also polymorph yourself into a silver dragon and lay an egg if you have polymorph control. actually that's a pretty good choice if you don't already have it since it gets you the silver dragon too

Oh poo poo I just realized that I do have a ring of polymorph control.

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Rappaport posted:

Nethack is a smorgasbord of bad game design choices, but I grew up with it and this thread needs more love for it and thank you to Lawman Zero for bringing it up :colbert:

(My first ascension was a tourist and that's my Nethack story, thank you all for visiting)

I'm legitimately aching for a search function good god

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Zereth posted:

... A what now? :confused:
:sweatdrop: phone posting got me again.
Anyways I think I somehow managed to snag 4 wands of death.

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Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

Gonna gently caress around with alchemy and see what happens.

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