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For the Swedes(and other neighbouring countries' citizens) reading, the Swedish Movement of Resistance or Svenska Motståndsrörelsen is planning something big in February, mid-late, and most likely in Stockholm due to Hagberg being the boss of street activities and he usually base his poo poo from his second apartment in Stockholm. I'm not certain what it is(word is they're not entirely sure yet and with heriarchy being as it is in Lund's narcisist cult) but imagine what happened at the 9th of November, or bigger. Another reason details may be sparse is because Hagberg(and two others) are still being held for the attack on the 15th of December but he'll most likely be released by then. In a bit more depressing news, I've gone from one or two death threats a month to two to three per week. I, err, don't really open my door for strangers anymore if we put it like that. Rutkowski fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Jan 5, 2014 |
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Hob_Gadling posted:Hi neighbor! I've been thinking of doing an effortpost about the situation today in Sweden since poo poo is about to hit the fan big-time but I'm in no way a neutral source.  I am, however, someone who doesn't lie and I've experienced quite a bit of poo poo personally throughout the years.I mean, I was a main actor in SMR's favorite propaganda movie this year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9gT5Xz4oo4
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Jan 5, 2014 18:25
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Demiurge4 posted:And yet people in this thread are advocating a first strike? I understand that Fascists are likely to use aggression and violence to take power if they feel they have the upper hand. But on the other side we don't have any competent Fascists, anywhere. The Golden Dawn are falling apart, the English Defence League is a joke and there are no significant contenders anywhere because they have all been successfully demonized. What people in this thread are advocating is violence against a bunch of poorly organized and ignorant youths being lorded around by racist old farts.
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Jan 6, 2014 10:19
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Holy poo poo yes. I hate violence and would love to live a life without it but I absolutely refuse to swear it off because it's unfortunately neccessary.
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Jan 6, 2014 11:56
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Hob_Gadling posted:Does this mean you don't see SD as Nazis? I say this without excusing them in any way. My mother and her husband are loyal SD voters and goddamn do I want to strangle them every time I talk to them and they know it. Also, the "old" parties are idiots when it comes to handling the situation. They let SD and their ilk control the debate by arguing on false premises(such as mass immigration actually existing here. It doesn't) and their solutions to what is and have always been social economic issues is by making them worse while blaming non-Europeans and Roma people. And the old parties are not unified in most ways when it comes to immigration. What they are unified in is that SD is wrong and in that way they're right. SD is wrong, very wrong.
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Jan 6, 2014 16:15
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Orange Devil posted:From a Dutch perspective this is like looking 15 years into the past. I've yet to see anyone who says he's never been racist explain that part. Not in media, not in politics, not in private.
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Jan 6, 2014 16:22
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Hob_Gadling posted:What were the alternatives to someone who felt slighted? Whether SD could actually do anything is irrelevant; my point is that to someone who feels immigration is a problem SD seems like the only option (barring maybe some minor openly fascist groups). I guess you can argue that immigration is not a problem and never has been but this is not the perception of SD voters. I think it's pretty fair to say that whoever votes for them votes for this one question alone as their other opinions are a mess. quote:True, but didn't they agree not to co-operate with SD? quote:Fair enough. What's a better term? http://www.migrationsverket.se/Om-M...verige-....html 103 059 people moved to Sweden in 2012, 20 462 were Swedes moving back home. Of the other top ten nations in the first graph is Poland, Denmark, China, Thailand and Finland, none being opposed by SD. The remaining countries are Iraq, Somalia, Syria and Afghanistan, four continued violence hotspots. Then we have 51 747 personer who moved out of Sweden in 2012 of which 38 percent were Swedish citizens. That means we have a + in people living here through immigration and emigration of 51 312. That's 0.5 percent of the entire country. That's not mass immigration. EDIT: here's a source with a pie chart that's interesting. http://www.migrationsinfo.se/migration/sverige/ 23% is EES-certified Right of Residence 17.9% is work immigration 13.6% is asylum seekers 29.9% is relation-immigration and adoptions 7.1% is relation-immigration for those with temporary asylum and asylum-seekers The pie chart to the right of it is students(number is not displayed but it's of a very similar size) The dark blue unnumbered piece is UN-quota refugees The dark brown(?) unnumbered piece is people living in Sweden without legal papers but unable to be deported due to different reasons So that's what, roughly 61% of all immigrants(if we count ALL adoptions and relation-immigration as being for non-Swedes which is, well, plainly wrong) not of Swedish citizenry that's 50385 that entered the country that weren't EES-holders. That's less than half of all who moved to Sweden and less who moved out of Sweden. quote:But doesn't Sweden have a lot of immigrants, looking at wikipedia it says slightly less than 20% of inhabitants have either born abroad or born by somebody who came from abroad, according to data from 2011. What is it with (seemingly) unrestricted immigration? Rutkowski fucked around with this message at 17:49 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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Jan 6, 2014 17:33
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Enjoy posted:Huh, that's higher than I thought it would be. That's like a small city of foreigners springing up every year Then there's all the people that don't get children in the first place.
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Jan 6, 2014 17:51
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Hob_Gadling posted:Right, this is exactly what I mean. People who vote SD don't believe this. You're essentially saying "no, you are wrong" and that's not a message voters will eat up.
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Jan 6, 2014 17:56
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Hob_Gadling posted:Damned if I know, but that's the message political far right across Europe rides on. It seems to work.
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Jan 6, 2014 18:39
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cargo cult posted:Europe is racist as poo poo and as a minority I've never felt welcomed anywhere there, with the sole exception of the UK, probably cause they have a hard-on for Americans and especially American Minorities, anyway, point being I think it's a lost cause and I'm not sure why anyone would even bother with anti-fascist action there. Just let them go all nationalist and kill the gently caress out of each other as they've been doing for basically all of history. Travelling through Spain and especially Holland were the absolute worst, I have no idea how the Dutch have managed to cultivate a reputation for tolerance, whatsoever. But poo poo, I got rocks thrown at me from the age of seven in the town I grew up in because I'm of jewish heritage. I'm otherwise pale as gently caress and used to have brown-blonde hair but that didn't help me jack poo poo. EDIT: I won't let them go all nationalist because there's a shitload of us who despite nationalism and fascism who'd die before they'd start fighting eachother.
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Jan 8, 2014 19:11
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Baron FU posted:While this is a horrible thing to have happen to any child. Most anti semitic attacks in my country (Denmark) are perpetrated not by Ethnic Danes with Nazi ties but rather Muslims typically of Arab heritage. It's actually a huge problem. Fun fact: Of all the anti-semitic poo poo I've had thrown at me(sometimes literally!) over the years not once have it been from muslims but rather from nazis and those who now proclaim to protect the jews; members of SD. Not saying antisemitism doesn't exist amongst muslims, far from it, but like most other prejudices it can and is educated away(I work in schools and have discussed this often). poo poo, as a teacher I've seen and debated antisemitism and prejudism and it's far from uncommon that the kids realize how insane they sound and that they should probably employ more critical thinking when it comes to other etnicities.
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Jan 8, 2014 20:26
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cargo cult posted:None of what I'm posting is an endorsement of The Way Things Are, I'm just suggesting that Europeans are sort of predisposed towards fascism and perhaps our republican history makes us really want nothing to do with it.
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Jan 11, 2014 11:19
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Remember how the SMR(Swedish Resistance Movement) attacked an anti-racist demo back in December? Well, over 1300 pages of the investigation is now available. Problem is that we kind of lack a decent anonymous server to host it on. 230mb shouldn't be that hard to host but every free host we've used have bailed on us. It's a .zip with four .pdf-documents including info such as orders to avoid AFAs 20th anniversary, numerous chat and SMS logs. Oh, and the list of every single member of SMR there is. There's also a list of all the half-dozen or so members of the Finnish Resistance Movement in case any Finns here are interested. Only names but at least it's something to work with.
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Feb 19, 2014 09:19
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Pope Guilty posted:Maybe stick it on the Pirate Bay or OneBigTorrent? We got a torrent up but would also like a more unified solution.
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Feb 19, 2014 12:29
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Kemper Boyd posted:Would you mind getting a link up or something? http://dropcanvas.com/u18wb/1
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Feb 19, 2014 13:41
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Brown Blitzkrieg posted:If possible, post their addresses too
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Feb 19, 2014 17:08
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Baron FU posted:You shouldn't post any addresses. A lot of these idiots still live with their parents or with roommates/neighbhours that have nothing to do with their ideology. I wouldn't be able to forgive myself if some 9 year old kid got killed by a firebombing because someone posted their big brothers address on such a list. As for the entire membership, it's only names. However, those who were part of the attack have all had their adresses confirmed as them living there. Two of them had mirror adresses but it wasn't hard to find the real adresses. The people who are only identified by names are being matched with known nazis by other people though. However, as to not post a Swedish infodump in the thread I will instead provide info to those who seek it through PMs or anorut at hushmail dot com.
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Feb 19, 2014 18:02
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Oh yeah we got a proper host now. For you Swedes it's at Ta Tillbaka Välfärdens Facebook page. The rest of ya will have to wait unto Sunday evening when I get back home from my inlaws and get access to my computer there.
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Feb 21, 2014 17:39
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Mans posted:The Roma "issue" is a really embarrassing thing in Europe. After about 30 minutes of different members of the audience and panel telling their experiences from friends, family other close to them who have displayed very disgusting views about the Roma we kind of just stopped talking for about a minute, it felt that bad. We ended up taking a ten minute break so people could regain their composure and start discussing how to tackle the issue. It hits particularly close for me because when I was homeless as a teen it was the local Roma who took me in and gave me shelter(as much as they could, they were very poor and lived in cars and a trailer themselves) and I spent most of my time with them during and after my time as homeless. About two months after I moved to Uppsala I got a letter from a friend that the entire family had been deported after reporting an assault on their camp. I haven't been able to reach them since and since they're from Hungary I don't feel very confident in their well-being. 
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Mar 6, 2014 09:50
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SSJ2 Goku Wilders posted:my sob story is with a moroccan family taking me in but thats like the same cherry picking logic that people use to brand all moroccans as a certain way. how about we stop talking about people in their platonic form of noble savagery lol
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Mar 6, 2014 17:42
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Another nazi attack last night, this time in Malmö. One of the attackers is Andreas Karlsson of Svenskarnas Parti who just returned from supporting the nazis in Ukraine.
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Mar 9, 2014 13:17
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And pretty much everyone with more than two brain cells collectively said "no poo poo Sherlock?" to the SÄPO chief of intelligence yesterday. After the Uppsala manifestation in support of those attacked(where police attacked some of us for being masked despite not doing anything but listening to my speech about how police recklessly harass antifascists while nazis are allowed to act with free hands, way to prove my point) a member of the manifestation was attacked by five nazis when he had left those he walked home with. I also recieved a personal record(in one evening) of five death threats after the speech. Apparently, they had someone recording it(or just retelling the gist of it) and spread it amongst their organizations.
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Mar 10, 2014 16:35
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Worth mentioning is that the dude still in coma is known as Showan who is one of the founders of Football Supporters Against Homophobia which is a campaign that several of the largest teams in Sweden are part of. After the attack even the more right-wing supporter groups have given him support, even fans of opposing teams, that's how hosed up the situation is.
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Mar 10, 2014 16:43
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Tias posted:Yeah, considering the enmity between ultra sets, this was actually pretty heartwarming. Yeah I heard they managed to get rid of the blood in the skull which is a huge plus and as they say, no news is good news. EDIT: For those not from Sweden, these people getting stabbed at "Möllan" is about the same as if a nazi gang would stab a bunch of left wingers in St. Pauli in Hamburg. Möllan is pretty much known as a "safe-zone" for minorities and leftists in Malmö and this is quite a bit out of the ordinary.
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dangerdoom volvo posted:MFF, the team he and I support, showed up with the whole squad where the assault went down to take a picture and show support against fascists. Real cool of them to get behind one of their biggest supporters like that. Sends a good message to nazis as well since they tend to like football...
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Mar 12, 2014 01:03
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Kurtofan posted:Pretty much, I'm not naive, I know Canada isn't Utopia, but it's probably still going to be a hell of a lot better than Western Europe in a few years.
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Fun thing is that Swedish poles still get very discriminated at the housing and job market. As someone with a polish surname, it's very very obvious.
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ekuNNN posted:
Apparently the news was a hoax but goddamn it was a fun one.
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Apr 7, 2014 12:42
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Cops tell the general public to stay away from Jönköping(and if you're already there, stay inside) where the nazis have a may day parade. The public's response? Arm up and roll out. There's a mobilization that hasn't been seen since the 30th of November parades in the 90's. People are tired of the nazis and the cops that protect them and refuse to let the nazis control where people can and cannot be. Stay tuned on the first of may because goddamn, it's going to be something else.
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Obdicut posted:What training do you need to stab someone, and why is there any reason to think Euromaidan was involved?
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Apr 19, 2014 15:42
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Obdicut posted:Is there somewhere I can read about this that isn't Russia Today? I mean, this ain't really news the fact that nazis are part of the Ukrainan government and have support from different Swedish nazi groups; what exactly is controversial here?
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Apr 19, 2014 17:28
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Obdicut posted:That's a really different claim from "Swedish nazis trained by Svoboda in Euromaidan". In fact, it's kind of the reverse, that Swedish Nazis have gone down to 'help' Euromaiden. EDIT: They've also had Russian neo-nazis, primarly from C18 and B&H, come to Sweden in the past decade to practice close combat and similar stuff but at least those guys are not officially supported by their government. Rutkowski fucked around with this message at 17:50 on Apr 19, 2014 |
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Apr 19, 2014 17:46
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Swan Oat posted:May Day is coming up - are the fash planning many demonstrations? Vlaams Belang seems to be doing something in Mechelen but it doesn't look that major (also I don't speak Flemish/Dutch)
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If it's like in Sweden it's legal but wrong so chase those fuckers of the streets. The ekstrabladet video of fleeing nazis is hilarious.
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May 13, 2014 19:50
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my dad posted:With regards to ye olde "Gypsies are parasites" attitude, here's something interesting: Is there an article I can read about this?
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Thanks. I've started working more with the local Roma and the amount of poo poo they catch, the slurs refering to them as parasites and leeches, is kind of overwhelming(even though this city is pretty much the one in Sweden where they get the least flak). Gonna spread this article quite a bit and contact a few media people cause the one-sided reporting from the other side isn't helping. Seriously, our largest fascist party SD have two posters for the EU election that they spread around the country, one of them is to ban beggars and homeless from the rest of EU from entering Sweden.
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May 22, 2014 18:02
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Zombiepop posted:Rutkowski in which city do you live/work in? and what sort of work do you do?
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May 22, 2014 21:23
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Darth Walrus posted:Plus they have literal blackshirts from Britain First running escort duty for them.
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Front National will have more seats than the entirety of Sweden. Police open fire against youths in immigrant heavy Husby. Emil Hagberg, the leader of the nazi attack in Kärrtorp in December was released from jail. This day is today's society in a loving nutshell.
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