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Blind Pineapple posted:As far as 9/11 conspiracies go, I find the alternate "explanations" centered around the WTC and Pentagon to be crap, but United 93 getting shot down seems pretty realistic. Maybe I'm the idiot here, but why wouldn't the military hit a hijacked plane after 3 others just flew into crowded landmarks? It has nothing to do with an inside job and the motivations are a lot more plausible (if not justifiable) than manufacturing a reason to go to war overseas. It doesn't even have to have fake phone calls or black box recordings. I am somewhat curious as to how all those calls got recorded, but there could be an easy answer to that. The main point is, why would the government take the chance on a ragtag group of airline passengers stopping another heinous attack, even if they were somehow aware such a thing was occurring on the plane? The military probably did give authorization to take the planes out, but fighter jets weren't allowed to hang around being fueled and armed until after 9/11 which takes a while, so they likely would have had to ram the plane to take it out. There are numerous recorded cell phone calls and the flight recorder going all the way to the crash and none say anything about being shot down. The debris field was only about 1.5 miles, which is consistent with a high-speed crash crash and far too small for a plane that is breaking up prior to crashing. It's not conclusive, but the official story certainly makes more sense given the data.
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Mr. Funny Pants posted:Notice how one side is flat? It takes an enormous amount of energy to make a slug flatten lengthwise. In fact, it flattened it so much that it caused the core to bulge out the back of the bullet. And how would that bullet be flattened lengthwise? Can any of the wounds account for that? Two can. The entrance wound on Conolly's back was, as I mentioned, a keyhole wound, meaning the bullet was tumbling and entered on its side rather than nose first. That's one, the second was Connolly's shattered rib, which was struck immediately after entrance, when the bullet likely would not have tumbled out of the position it was in when it entered. You are missing a third possibility, the wrist injury also was caused by a tumbling bullet and left lead in the wrist. Lead in the wrist makes sense for two possibilities. It could have either hit sideways flattening the bullet and squeezed out some lead in the passage, or it could have been caused by the bullet already having hit sideways and had lead pushed out of the back in a bubble at the end then the hitting the wrist bones, rubbing some of the lead off the back.
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MizPiz posted:Going through this thread again, I got a few questions to ask: 9/11 was actually a conspiracy. A bunch of Al Qaeda members conspired and pulled off an attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Conspiracy Theories (TM) are not about actual, achievable conspiracies, they are about the completely baseless, evidence-free ideas spouted by JFK assassination crazy people or 9/11 truthers or flat Earthers. No one calls an actual conspiracy a "Conspiracy Theory" and there is good reason, the real ones such as the 9/11 official story are called the official story.
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The original antivax stuff came from the UK as well, as the original anti-MMR paper was by a UK doctor (with a sample size of 7).
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Jan 23, 2014 04:19
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Sometimes I will sit around and watch conspiracy videos on YouTube, and I had this pop up in my recommended videos. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFupvgP6Dog An educational song about chemtrails! It actually features the lyrics "I'm not crazy, I swear!"
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Feb 10, 2014 16:14
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Miss-Bomarc posted:So you like the part where Libertarians think the government shouldn't be telling people to do things, but you don't like the other part where, um, Libertarians think the government shouldn't be telling people to...do things...? The Libertarian stance against gay marriage and against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is pretty easy for anyone who supports rights to side with the government on. The government has pushed through civil rights against local established interests many times, but equal rights for homosexuals and racial minorities is a case where the majority of libertarians are for it legally, but against it ever being allowed. Libertarians are insane, they ignore evidence-based economic theory and governance to try to establish an economic and governmental system that is based on ideal, fully-informed, emotionless humans.
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" thing in this thread? Kooks might mumble things that sound like Libertarian philosophy. They also say things that sound like Communist philosophy and nobody is claiming that Communism makes people go insane.
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Herd immunity on Measles is 83-94%, Mumps 75-86%, and Rubell 83-85%. As long as 94% of people get their kids the MMR vaccine, measles, mumps, and rubella don't really spread and most new cases wind up as a localized event rather than spreading through the surrounding population.
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Mar 22, 2014 08:32
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Smallpox had multiple strains, and even very early on there were attempts at inoculation with less deadly strains of smallpox, because people were willing to take a 5% chance at death when there was an epidemic going on of the deadly 40% chance of death that the main smallpox strain had. Eventually someone discovered that milkmaids who had contracted cowpox from the cowpox sores on the udders of cows were immune to smallpox in all forms and then people started intentionally inoculating with cowpox. People were very sane and reasonable in response: But when a true vaccine came about, there was a whole lot more coordinated effort and the government and population were willing to work towards eliminating it. There were still conspiracy theories, but something so deadly really got people to make an effort.
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Mar 22, 2014 23:50
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Louie Gohmert. He's well known as a guy who says stupid poo poo, just today he said the immigration refugee crisis that is going on right now could be solved if border state governors started their own army and navy and just killed the kids. He also picked his congressional office because it has a ledge wide enough that he can put a smoker on it and have freshly cooked brisket.
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twodot posted:Even with one American parent (or grandparent), foreign born people would still have to get naturalized to have citizenship, and therefore arguably not a "natural born citizen". Citizenship is granted at birth with no naturalization for the following: -Anyone born inside the United States. The person must be “subject to the jurisdiction” of the United States. (This would exempt the child of a diplomat, for example, from this provision.) -Any Native tribe member (Indian or Eskimo in the law's language) born in the United States, provided being a citizen of the U.S. does not impair the person’s status as a citizen of the tribe (no tribes currently block U.S. citizens from being members) -Any one born outside the United States, both of whose parents are citizens of the U.S., as long as one parent has lived in the U.S. for any length of time -Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year and the other parent is a U.S. national -Any one born in a U.S. possession, if one parent is a citizen and lived in the U.S. for at least one year -Any one found in the U.S. under the age of five, whose parentage cannot be determined, as long as proof of non-citizenship is not provided by age 21 -Any one born outside the United States, if one parent is an alien and as long as the other parent is a citizen of the U.S. who lived in the U.S. for at least five years (with military and diplomatic service included in this time) -Any one born outside the United states if the person’s parents were married at the time of birth, one of the person’s parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born, the citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child’s birth; a minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent’s 14th birthday. US military bases, naval vessels, and embassies are considered US territory for this as well.
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