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The easiest counterargument against it all is just following conspiracy theory logic itself, which is that whatever benefits someone, was done by that someone. If it's all a setup to Iraq, why did they make the hijackers our "allies" in Egypt and Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq then? Which doesn't even get into the whole issue of how come this incredibly competent evil Neocon machine behind it all was such a huge rolling clusterfuck once they got to Iraq. How exactly did loving up Iraq and Afghanistan for years benefit us? Come to think of it, from our present perspective where Afghanistan and Iraq were both monumental fuckups, conspiracy theory logic of the benefitors did it ironically means that it must have been Islamic extremists. Full circle.
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MKULTRA sounds out there even by conspiracy theory standards and it happened. The only thing about MKULTRA that would be out of place on a schizophrenic's typed up leaflet is that rather than being hyper-competent and world controlling, it was dumb and pointless. Also the Tuskegee experiments, radiation experiments on unwitting subjects, and god knows what else that was successfully covered up in the cold war.
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I think it is extremely possible the CIA had made some contact with Oswald at some point. He is an American who had a background in the Marines and had some ability to move through socialist circles and even go to the USSR. Going from there to "therefore everything Oswald did ever was because of the CIA" does not make any sense. Especially because there is no evidence Oswald would be even slightly receptive to the CIA on any level. Like most CIA conspiracy theories, it relies on the CIA being epically competent, rather than bumbling if amoral idiots. Oh, the CIA met a guy once, maybe? Obviously that guy was ran by them for the rest of his life.
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Jan 10, 2014 21:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:With regards to conspiracy theorists like David Icke and Alex Jones, etc. etc., do we know if any of them are just in it for the money, or if they really believe in all of this stuff? I think David Icke really does believe giant lizards run the world (and not just as a codeword for Jews) and is genuinely insane. He was a normal guy leading a normal life and then goes off his rocker talking about absolutely batshit conspiracies which people close to him insist he really believes in. If he wasn't previously famous he would just be another poor sap on pills trying to hold his life together. The rest are totally in it for the money. Jones I think likes to play along and like a lot of conspiracy theory opinion leaders has taken comfortably to running a sort of cult centered on himself. Which is ironically what conspiracy theorists like to accuse everyone else of doing.
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Jan 15, 2014 01:45
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RagnarokAngel posted:You seem to believe all 9/11 truthers are racist rednecks though. How does a leftist (of which many truthers are of that variety) justify that? There is a long and proud tradition in leftism of denying the potential for agency to non-white people.
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Jan 17, 2014 22:30
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RagnarokAngel posted:Most conspiracy theorists are harmless. That's what makes it funny and not scary. Until they get popular enough to be mainstream. 
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Bigfoot is the opposite of conspiracy theory in some ways in that you are saying no one in power knows of this thing, but it matches conspiracy theory in that it grants a special knowledge and inside status to the believer. But you could say the latter about pretty much any myth. The unique thing about conspiracy theory isn't the special knowledge and inside status, it's the sense that people X are behind Great Evil and must be eliminated. Which feeds into the bit about being harmless. No one ever committed genocide because they believed in an undiscovered monster.
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Jazerus posted:I thought Bigfoots were just serene psychic hippie-Native-Americans that commune with the universe in the forest and avoid us because we aren't sufficiently spiritually advanced. Shows what I know! That is what bigfoot believers think, by and large. Or that it's just some undiscovered ape. I'm sure there is some crazy person who believes the government knows about bigfoot because sure why not but that is the first I've ever heard of it. Ironically I think the linking of all this together is a conspiracy theory of conspiracy theory, where everyone with some form of belief contrary to the norm or subscribing to a myth is all in league for some nefarious purpose. That's pretty silly. No, bigfoot believers do not necessarily believe in "THEM." Nor raw milk aficionados, some of whom are just really into food and are willing to risk sickness for it. Come on. edit: I'm not endorsing any of these beliefs, all of which I find ridiculous. But one can say believe in the virtues of raw milk and also find bigfoot ridiculous. They might involve some of the same thinking to arrive at (or, they might not) but they do not imply each other, and certainly do not imply any sort of association between believers. Best Friends fucked around with this message at 11:48 on Jan 26, 2014 |
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CSM posted:Real conspiracy theorists tend to get into insane detail. I baited him but he failed to bite, so it's pretty obvious. An absurd percentage of all Americans and an even more absurd percentage of Europeans and Middle Easterners believe in 9/11 conspiracies and these people cover all personalities and means of presentation. It's not a very specific mental illness you can effectively diagnose over the internet through textual analysis.
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