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Curtis of Nigeria posted:Conspiracy theories are basically equivalent to third-world shamanism. From a structural anthropology perspective I'm pretty convinced conspiracy theories are pretty much modern versions of the whole "the sorcerer/headhunters/satanists/etc is in the other village" thing. A way to (poorly) reason about abstract and impersonal forces by basically blaming them on THOSE guys. Why is momma sick? The sorcerer in the next village is cursing us. Why are we so poor? The Jews are controlling the banks.
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BrandorKP posted:Since there was interest, and again sorry about the lovely photo of photo quality, and yes these are from a photo album: I really do think that whats key to conspiracy theories is that they are *narratives*. Myth or stories that help people feel that the abstract and impersonal forces around them. Sometimes capitalism, sometimes strange dudes in weird hats crashing planes into buildings and making everything go pear shaped, whatever. Things that just don't make sense but feel bad , well who the gently caress do we blame? By providing a simple good vs evil narrative ("The bad man did it") suddenly its possible to align with the good guy and its all about exposing and fighting the super villians. This is kind of why I think marxism or some other form of critical theory needs to make a come back, because the great insight of the left is that ultimately the world is undirected, and that the bad poo poo is *emergant* from the economic forces. Baddies do not create the structure of society, but rather the structure of society creates baddies. I sometimes use the example of an ecosystem where all of us are goldfish and theres some sharks in the water. If you kill the shark, another shark will take its place. If you kill ALL the sharks, humboldt squid will start tearing poo poo apart. whats really needed is to kill the ecosystem (This is the part of the analogy where my green friends start getting nervous lol) so that it can't even support predators. Capitalism requires predators. Anarcho-socialism gives predators no prey. Allan Moore, 2003 posted:The main thing that I learned about conspiracy theory is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in a conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy or the grey aliens or the 12 foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control. The truth is more frightening, nobody is in control. The world is rudderless." duck monster fucked around with this message at 06:51 on Sep 26, 2013 |
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KomradeX posted:I just had a friend out himself as a 9/11 Truther the other day on Facebook when he posted some link about how pbs in Colorado apparently aired some Truther "documentary." That used those Engineers for truth or whatever. For what its worth, most crazy conspiracy theorists live otherwise normal prosperous lives. My old boss was into crazy loving stuff, but he had a yacht, fancy car and 5 bedroom rich person house aaaand then he decided that his birth certificate being in capitals means he didnt have to pay tax anymore and now hes in prison after trying to fight with tax dept agents who came to his house. BUT OTHER THAN THAT, normal lives.
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Install Windows posted:Planes move very fast, security cameras generally record at a low frame rate, especially back then, because it saved tape usage. There were no security cameras placed at angles particularly suited to catching the plane as it dived in at 300+ mph (because your ground security cameras aim at ground level to catch dudes trying to sneak up, while aerial stuff would instead be caught on radar not visual), hence no good pictures out of it. Yep, and it was at the earlier stages of digital video, so that meant MPEG artifacts loving up everything. When I worked in the courts we where not actually allowed to use MPEG video compression for a while because some smart arsed lawyer managed to convince a judge that temporal compression (compressing across time , rather than just frame) made it impossible to freeze the frame and say "This is the exact point where x happens" and even worse a dropped keyframe could leave someone in a scene who had actually departed. Which is actually kind of true, in theory at least. So we ended up using MJPEG for everything. Ironically a lovely format because it doesnt integrate audio streams properly.
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Miss-Bomarc posted:Personally I liked his other theory about how there was a secret blackmail operation going on in Washington DC where important people in the government would be drugged and taken to a secret sex dungeon where child prostitutes would do unspeakable things to them. This would be filmed, and the film used to ensure that person's cooperation from then on. Without detracting from his brilliance as a writer, its worth noting HST was also a completely teeth grindingly crazy meth head. I mean the man wrote utterly mesmerising words, when he had his poo poo together, but he did so at the expense of his own sanity.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Yeah. It's amazing to me how many people can hail HST for his incredible fortitude re: an unending barrage of heavy duty intoxicants and then treat the same man as if he is an impeachable, credible witness. I like the hell out of Lemmy Kilmister for managing to still draw air despite his well documented and inevitably fatal consumption of alcohol, plus the effect this has on his artistic output, but my god if he started talking about politics I'd just smile and nod my head. With all that said, Fear and Loathing on the campaign trail is one of the best books about the US political system I've ever read. Even if it was totally bonkers.
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He died at the time when all the supervillians of the Nixon era where back in control of the government and all sorts of absurd and evil bullshit actually was going on with Haliburton and all the various private militaries looting and pillaging Iraq and Afghanistan. After september 11 some serious bullshit was going on towards peace protesters. One guy I know was raised by the FBI simply for having a "NO WAR" sign in his window in downtown manhattan. Environmental protesters where being framed up on bizare terrorist charges with silly sentences attached, lawyers where being given silly sentences for talking to the media about their clients. Writers where being monstered by the government and conservative cheer squads. Of course people where paranoid, and when your brain-burnt old hippie with a predisposition towards cynical paranoia, well your going to assume the worst. I would not be surprised if after all of this he had succumbed to trutherist nonsense.
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My loving girlfriend told me last night that the Americans are microchipping all their population as a requirement to get Obamacare, and got really angry when I tried to point out that its a conspiracy theory that dates back to ancient conspiracy theories about masons tattooing the number of the beast on people. I probably should find a new girlfriend. This one was so sane for so long. 
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Amused to Death posted:What country are you guys in? Australia. We're so boring here we have to just repeat american conspiracy theories. Anyone trying to theorize the australian government being competent enough able to pull off some vast intracate secret conspiracy would get laughed off by even the most hardened of alex jones types. Heck when our govt DOES try to do something sneaky, like tap the indonesian presidents phone, we're so loving incompetent we put it in a powerpoint presentation to boast to the US embassy about it. edit: Well I suppose there was the whole "There was a second gunman at port arthur" conspiracy theory. Literally nobody at all believes that, except the larouchite cult.
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Dr. Arbitrary posted:I usually just start asking if they know a single doctor who offers microchipping. I know that you're up in arms against it but I don't think I feel like fighting this battle. I gave her all the Snopes links about it. She's a mostly-sensible girl, so she quickly readjusted her thinking, thankfully.
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Amused to Death posted:Australia? Anyone in a country that just elected Tony Abbott is in no position to say any crazy things about America Hey Rupert Murdochs your responsibility now, buddy. We handed him over to you and your authorities have failed to detain! (Tony abbot didn't win the election. Rupert Murdoch did, by controlling 70% of the press and bombarding people with constant headlines about COMMUNIST LABOR PARTY CORRUPTION CARBON TAX IMMIGRANTS"
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AVeryLargeRadish posted:And we are back to conspiracy theory, full circle! yeah yeah I know 
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Actually while talking with some friends about this topic, it was pointed out to me a lot of people in australia do buy into the whole vast-left-wing-conspiracy climate change denialist gibberish, and theres a fair bit of the hippy vaccine denialist and what not sorts of things. So I retract that statement about no major conspiracy theories here. Its not quite true.
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Install Windows posted:Well, Australia is also the home and birthplace of the modern Creationist movement, and you could certainly argue that they like to push conspiracy messages (like Christians being persecuted and scientists covering up evidence of god). Yeah I do realise the Answers in Genesis clowns came from australia, but their impact was much larger in the US then it ever was here. Fundamentalism does have some roots here but we're a fairly secular country and discussing religion outside the family home is seen as uncouth to most people. Generally when Tony Abbot started ranting about jesus in the year before the election it worked against him and he dropped the jesus talk fairly quickly. I'm not sure an Atheist president would be even possible in the US at this stage in history. None the less, yeah I guess religious inspired conspiracy theory does exist like it does anywhere else, but I wouldn't go blaming australia for the US's fundie problems. As much as we imported one of our whackos to the US (the answers in genesis people), we've just as much had to endure your pentecostalists and charismatics and all the other hardcore bible thumpers coming here to recruit.
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SedanChair posted:Conspiracy theorists with face-blindness are the only people in the world who would get a pass for saying "they all look alike." But they squander it by insisting that everyone is the same person. My (literally) Autistic housemate is face-blind. Its a loving bizare thing. I'll bump into him in town and have to tell him I'm the guy in the room next door to him in the house and have been so for 4 years. He's no conspiracy theorist though, just a postgrad mathematician.
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ErIog posted:This is interesting, and I'm surprised he doesn't recognize you based on your voice. I've heard a lot of people with face blindness can substitute that. He *usually* gets its me pretty quickly, but in a loud pub or something he sometiems struggles recognizing people. Booze+autism or something I guess. The funny thing is, his social skills arent terrible (even if he forgets that generally speaking ranting about lie groups in category theory rarely makes compelling talk for non mathematician girls at the pub) but hes seriously faceblind and tends to freak out when things get moved around in the house or generally poo poo is changed in his routine.
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Ramagamma posted:My facebook feed is filling up with more and more anti-government propoganda and "united slaves of america" tripe than ever before these days. One thing I've noticed over a couple of decades of political activism is one really needs to be careful when you switch people on that alls not well in the world that you don't just let them go off and find their own barmy answers to why things are not right. One of the most important insights of marxism that people should agree with even if they don't buy into marxism, is that the system as we know it today is emergent from the material conditions. That is to say, it just happened not because of a nefarious scheme, but because it was a natural result of the way we've organized the economy.Capitalism and statism concentrate power and distribute poverty not because it was designed that way, but because it couldn't work any other way without stopping being capitalism. I think its natural that people form conspiracy theories about this. All through history people create narratives about dark forces to try and reconcile the abstract forces into understandable concrete ones. Its a hard pill to swallow that the world is hosed because of the very reasons we in the west aren't making GBS threads ourselves to death of cholera in a slum. There is something wrong, but I can't understand it, who shall I blame? If you look at tribal societies, there where always pervasive rumors of cannibals, evil sorcerers or witches, and so on, but they where always in the enemy camp. Why is little timmy sick? Oh its the black magician over in the neighboring village doing this because they want our corn field. Why did uncle bill go missing while hunting? The guys over in the neighboring village are cannibals, thats why, those mothefuckers! The principles are the same. Why did I lose my job? The jews are doing it!. Why are kids getting autism? Its the rothschilds doing it with injectable poison. Its the same principle, abstract forces that act against people are incomprehensible without someone to blame. So find someone to blame. This psychology needs to be kept in mind when you go and turn people on that all is not well, because people *will* go searching for an easy answer, so you need to be there to provide the less easy but more plausible answer.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmXEThTtwaM I got a laugh out of this. As usual, the punchline is the headline.
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comes along bort posted:A440 dates back to the 1830s, but the A432 crowd are certainly worth a chuckle. They're the music dork equivalent of the gold fringe on the US flag people. Most people can't readily discern pitch differences smaller than about 20-25 cent or so anyway. 440/432 is roughly 31, barely enough to matter. I actually had a gently caress around with this after retard hippy friends started posting about it. I can tell you right now sticking that frequency in your music is going to sound like nails on a blackboard. If its the resonant frequency of the universe, then the universe is a oval office. Then again, I'm THAT guy in the bandroom bitching out the keyboardist for not using equal tempered tuning. Even marginally out of tune poo poo sounds like hell to me. duck monster fucked around with this message at 10:08 on Dec 27, 2013 |
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emfive posted:If you've got the right sort of digital piano, you can force it into one or more "well-tempered" tunings. It's a mind-blowing experience to hear somebody play selections from The Well-Tempered Clavier on a piano tuned that way; the pieces are basically demos of what you can/should write in different keys to melodically and thematically work around (and with) the "wolf" intervals. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__tbvLNH6FI Mad genius at work with some of this tuning stuff.
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cakeordeath posted:I think there is more to the official story than we will ever know. My instincts is that crazy people are people who are crazy.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:There were never any aliens. Grey Aliens are actually future humans peering through the computer simulation to do some hands-on patching. That's why they only abduct retarded rednecks--they're not stupid, they're simply glitched programs. Weed is the matrix in debug mode. A good bud is like dropping a breakpoint right into the plans of the saucer fiends.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:LSD is the blue pill. Mens Rights Activism, the red one.
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Its all a trap within a trap within a trap! Like a multi layered matryoshka with a tiny lizard at the center.
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Tupperwarez posted:Aren't there audiophile forums where talking about double-blind testing is a bannable offense? I vaguely remember something like that happening when the James Randi Foundation people investigated some stupid-rear end magic device that was making the rounds in audiophile circles, and they found that nobody could notice any difference when listening tests were done double-blind. This led to some audiophile groups being convinced that double-blind testing was somehow responsible for the 'poor performance' of the widget. Sort of like how psychics/dowsers/mediums will suddenly declare the 'vibe of the room' is 'throwing them off' when they're tested with proper protocols. Some of this stuff is purified insanity. http://www.lessloss.com/anchorwave-interconnects-and-speaker-cables-p-205.html*I $2000 for a loving speaker cable. I assure you speaker cables have *gently caress all* impact on sound quality. line level cables, a little bit, but not speaker cables.  Translation "Oh sure it doesnt turn up on your PUNY MORTAL SCIENCE INSTRUMENTS, but trust us, these microevents are there and they are REAL." Keep in mind, we're talking about noise to a signal with enough amplitude to drive a loving 100 watt speaker setup. Also;- http://gizmodo.com/363154/audiophile-deathmatch-monster-cables-vs-a-coat-hanger quote:
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A human heart posted:Some Neo-Nazis are down with the holocaust having happened, because they think it was a good thing, there's not really a consistent viewpoint that they all share about it. I stumbled across a nazi on tumblr one time who was very angry with a lot of nazi music because it glorified the holocaust rather than denied it. Probably the most vicious of US neo-nazi cults, the world church of the creator, basically thinks hitler was a failure because he didn't do the holocaust like he promised or something mad like that. Of course this is the same group that proposes invading ALL countries to wipe out ALL non white people anywhere in the world because "The whole world is ours". Of course after assasinating a judge and all sorts of other shenanigans they've pretty much earned a very special spot in the anti-terrorist world being I *think* the only nazi group mentioned in the old Army northern command lists of terrorist groups.
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Sergg posted:That sounds like schizophrenia or some other schizoid disorder. "Insects under the skin" is very very much a reccuring theme with schizoid delusions. Ask any tweaker. My brother when he went off the rails from meth, was obsessed that there was strings and worms and spiders and poo poo coming out of his skin .He'd gouge at himself with a knife and then walk into the loungeroom (he was loving torturing my parents by being like this whilst living with them) with a piece of cotton angrily yelling that " SEE I TOLD YOU THIS WAS FROM MY SKIN, THERE ARE WORMS IN THERE FOR gently caress SAKE". Needless to say this poo poo almost sent my traumatized mother into a form of crazy of her own  edit: This went on until he pulled the same poo poo with a scalpel in a doctors office and they finally decided to restrain him and put him in involentary mental commitment, for like, 4 months till they got him off the speed and unwound some of the crazy out of his head. Kids, don't do meth. Weed, acid, loving glue sniffing if your an insane person, but not loving meth. duck monster fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Jan 6, 2014 |
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Sergg posted:Really? I was under the impression that prolonged infection by the Epstein-Barr virus could cause this. Yeah, though the mental health system is woefully underfunded thanks to loving conservatives.
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Obamacare has proven to be rich vein of crazy for the tapping http://guardianlv.com/2013/12/walmart-installs-obamacare-rfid-chip-scanning-health-machines/ Apparently walmart is installing some sort of self serve health service device that can do blood pressure readings and a few things like that. In come the crazies however, decide that it CLEARLY must have some sort of RFID device (it doesnt) and therefore tis something to do with that "compulsary RFID implant" that is cunningly disguised as a dropped provision in obamacare establishing a health and safety registrar of pacemaker products. All of which was fortold by jesus Or does it use retina scans instead? The article can't seem to make its mind up! Either way its all to gather data for "precrime assessments" apparently..
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Internet Webguy posted:We've had those in the US for years. I remember tricking my friends into getting their arms stuck in them when I was a kid. They're in most pharmacy sections of supermarkets. You've accepted the mark of the beast. Its too late for you now.
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Red Warrior posted:Any thread on the discussion of conspiracy theories inevitably turns into a thread where conspiracy theorists try to justify why their conspiracy is the true conspiracy. It's great. I had a great thread on how conspiracy theories where loving the left a couple of years ago, and it was awesome until about 5 pages in and some truther fuckhead came in and derailed the holy poo poo out of it. I ended up breaking the rules and closeing that sorry rear end thread because letting it live was just cruel.
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RandomPauI posted:How are conspiracy theories loving the left? Spend time on facebook. You'll see. In a nutshell the intellectual power of the left was that it understood bad poo poo in society was emergent from the conditions of the various class and caste relationships in a society, the social relationships. This has been the case since Marx demonstrated the roots of poverty in the material arangements of how different classes of people in society owned capital. In other words it wasn't a nefarious plan that causes this poo poo by a conspiracy of illuminati/jews/reptiles/whatever, but the natural outcome of capitalism a system that itself formed naturally from the explosive collapse of the feudal system. Conspiracy theories posit the opposite, that bad things are caused by the will of individual schemers or groups of schemers independent of the material conditions of society, and that all we have to do is whack those bad people and the bad things stop. Confusion about this sort of thing has had historically catastrophic effects, the worst being the use of conspiracy theories about Jews/communists/etc to deflect anger in the working class in 1930s europe away from a bourgoise whos wealth had been increasingly sucking the life out of europe. The end result was fascism (There were other forces at play, but I'd argue that it was the confusion of the working class that focused revolutionary forces towards the right wing fascists rather than the left wing communists). Increasingly I'm seeing leftists ranting about "bankster criminals", pharma conspiracies,and so on and so forth, and its draining people away from traditional and effective left wing activism towards increasingly crazy bollocks. Its really harmful. Back during Occupy, Occupy perth was loving wrecked by conspiracy theorists coming down to the encampment and plastering signs about a "pedophile-banker-police" conspiracy and abnout how the reserve bank was behind all the problems , and then it drew in drooling idiots, one of which started a "hot protest babes" blog about perth activists which pretty much loving ended the involvement of the entire female gender in it. Then they invaded the facebook groups and started ranting about how "communists" where controling the bank and now had "taken over" occupy, and this was all fortold by ron paul. I was ready to start bashing people.
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KomradeX posted:So what the conspiracy angle about ranting about bankers being evil? Bankers being the typical embodiment of capitalism, which if you are a leftist and at least put some stock in the notion that, "all property is theft." Or are we talking about when they say "Bankster criminals," we should be reading evil Jew Lizardmen Rothschild End the Fed type stuff. Sorry Just I always hear Libertarians rant about the Rothschilds and it confuses me to no end. (well it doesn't really it's pretty blatant anti semitism. It just attributes more power and sinister agency to the banks then there really is. Sure the banks made a loving cock of things in the crash. People SHOULD be angry about that. But it wasn't an inner chamber of secret lizardmen bankers plotting in advance to crash the economy to enact some weird ancient plan to enslave the people under Ra the sun god.
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Install Windows posted:Here's a great example of how people make money off conspiracy thinkers: I'm not even sure its the Alex Jones types targetted by this, but rather paranoid schizophrenics. quote:Thank you for visiting free-targeted-individuals.com. The website is for victims of Organized Stalking/Electronic Harassment (OS/EH) who are remotely mind-controlled and monitored 24/7 by gangstalking Perpetrators using a covert Radio Frequency (RF) and is published in the interest of freeing such Targeted Individuals from the four main forms of Electronic Harassment, namely mind-control, Voice-to-skull (V2k), emotional-control and body-control. Anyone who is being "gang stalked" and targeted by "voice to skull" technology isn't in need of "anti electronic mind control technology' , but Thorazine.
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Ahahaha reading these sites just led me to the wikipedia page of possibly the greatest rear end in a top hat scientist of all time, Allen H. Frey.quote:In 1975, Frey published a study in the Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences stating that microwaves "with certain modulations" could cause leakage in the blood–brain barrier, with possibly lethal consequences. In one experiment, he synchronized microwaves with the myocardial rhythm of a frog heart, and found that the heart stopped beating. In another experiment, he microwaved cats and found that it had a huge effect on emotions.
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BottledBodhisvata posted:This must be such a terrifying state of reality to be in. Don't get paranoid schizophrenia then. The gang stalking thing is pretty much a blow by blow run through of the primary symptems of untreated paranoid schizophrenia.And before the moden era of treatment, becoming schizophrenic was a fate worse than death. Now its a fate that can be deflected to some extent with medication. duck monster fucked around with this message at 03:11 on Jan 13, 2014 |
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KomradeX posted:Is that seriously what some of the stuff you've been seeing has said? I want to assume you're being hyperbolic, but I've studied conspiracy theorists (even patted a except from a draft of my research earlier in the thread), so I'm at the point where I'll take someone saying they believe in X crazy thing on face value. But I agree with you, it's hard explaining to someone the mechanism in which capitalism works with it making it sounds like a crazy conspiracy sometimes, and I think some people latch on to that instead of the mechanism that move our society. I'm not making it up. http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142647 Some of these people are truly off their rockers. There was a great crazy-person film that folks in LF did a simulwatch of that had all this madness in it leading from the egyptians all the way to the banking crisis as one big long running conspiracy.
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Republican Vampire posted:What's David Icke's deal, anyway? I know he had some kind of mental health episode way back when, culminating on his appearance on Wogan, but a lot of his stuff seems to be a really opportunistic and cynical re-packaging of Lyndon LaRouche in order to make it more palatable to hippies and college kids. Im not sure even Larouche has claimed the world is secretly run by giant bipedal space dinosaurs. David Icke is next level bonkers.
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gradenko_2000 posted:With regards to conspiracy theorists like David Icke and Alex Jones, etc. etc., do we know if any of them are just in it for the money, or if they really believe in all of this stuff? I suspect they are in it for the money, and truly believe their shite too. Even L Ron Hubbard supposedly believed most of the crap he was spouting, despite the fact he was tayloring it for maximum brainfuck on his followers. Its not a normal mode of thinking.
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