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Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Just upgraded. Not bad for four downstreams and one upstream. Hopefully upstream bonding is implemented soon, but i ain't complainin'. We barely used the 2Mb we had before so I doubt we'll be testing this connection very much. :v:

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Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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So does Unbound cache locally? I'm pretty sure my router does some form of local DNS caching, although I'm sure it's not anywhere near as fancy.

Is it a lot faster than whatever was built into the firewall/routing software?

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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KillHour posted:

What the gently caress, Verizon?

I appreciate the free upgrade to symmetric internet, but what's the point if I can only ever get those speeds on your speed test servers?







Verizon with bad peering links? Say it ain't so


Meanwhile I finally got 8 x 4 DOCSIS channels and after fiddling with my wireless antennas (they like to have one 90 degrees opposed to the other, it seems) I am getting pretty dang good speeds:



Not bad for a peak time over WLAN at all. The upload speed is still capped a little low relative to the download but I'm not worried - we only just started getting bonded upstream around here so some upgrades will probably be coming soon. Maybe.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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KillHour posted:

Level3 is willing to run fiber to my house with a $2 installation charge if I sign up for at least 40mbps for a year. Only $2,682.74/mo! :suicide:

Any price for dedicated bandwidth :v:

At least I assume it is...

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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nescience posted:

Free Wifi at a Starbucks in Seoul (not really free, but I'm too ashamed to admit how much I spend on overpriced drinks).


Yeah, so, Korea is pretty well kitted out for broadband I guess :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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That really blows but I can't help but wonder if the Charter rep wasn't a little confused. If lines are laid I don't know how they could deliver basic TV but not any advanced services since the full spectrum should be coming out of the hub to all areas. Are you moving to an apartment? Maybe they meant only bulk services were included there (basic TV lineup) but you would have to pay for anything more advanced.

I know nothing of Charter or Carrollton but it just seems to me if you have lines laid to an area you'd have to go way out of your way to limit service to that area. If that really is the case have you considered Clearwire or something like it? Still not ideal but if you have decent 4G reception it will still be better than 3 Mbps DSL with a land line you don't need.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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SpartanIV posted:

She explained it as they didn't have the systems setup for the two way communication

:psypop:

You know, there's being lazy about upgrading your plant and then there's this. Maybe it's all old people in that neighborhood who want things like they were in 1983? I just don't understand how that did not happen at some point since two-way plant has been a thing for like 15 years now. Amazing.

Anyway, Clearwire is not as good as hard line for ping times but it's serviceable from what I've heard. My wife and her family were on Clear for a while and were able to play MMOs just fine, although fast action games could be more of an issue. I guess if you get decent pings to a local cell tower it might not be too bad.

e: well now the wife says trying to play WoW on Clear was pretty awful as she recalls. I guess DSL might be your best bet, although you might want to dig and see about dry loop DSL. Then again if they have no two way cable in that neighborhood.... :v:

Panty Saluter fucked around with this message at 13:46 on Aug 12, 2014

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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gently caress them posted:



I did this from my home PC while remoted in from work - 1080p RDP and still fast.

I also like the ping that comes from being within eyeshot of the central office.

That probably has less to do with it than you might think. By the time your packets hit fiber (which is neighborhood level, so well under a mile in a lot of cases) things happen pretty quickly. My favorite test server is about a hundred miles away and I'm usually between 10-12 ms.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Thanks Ants posted:

You cant go faster than the speed of light.

may i interest u in quantum internet service :2bong:


I thought I read somewhere that coax can have a faster VOP than fiber in some cases but I'm not sure. Either way I'm hard pressed to complain about latency.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Loezi posted:

I'm paying 5 euros per month (~$6.26 according to Google) for a 100Mb/s line with a guaranteed minimum of 50Mb/s.

If it makes you feel any better a 3 x 1 cable connection in US (if you can even get it) is 15 USD/month plus equipment rental. So no, I really don't have any sympathy for your "plight" :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Walked posted:

It can be. Some providers like comcast "boost" your speed for the first 30-100mb of any transfer; thus speedtest - taking only a small sample - registers the boosted speed.

TWC stopped doing that a couple of years ago and I think Comcast did too but I'm not sure.

The big caveat with speed tests is that they are highly optimistic, especially with higher Internet speeds. I can get 100+ Mbps easily on a speed test site but very few sites and services will serve anywhere near that. Steam is about the only service that will saturate my connection, and that is due (I think) to their usage of torrent-style peering. Single servers rarely allocate that much to a single user.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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god this blows posted:

Well I just had fiber internet installed to my house by the city. When I hook it up to the apple router its only 400M down/up but I don't really care as everything is super quick.



It's so fast screenshot won't capture it!

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Weird. Is an older router? I assume it's a gigabit connection or you wouldn't see even 400 mbps. I would think that's down to cpu/ram limitations. Or are you testing via wireless?

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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pandaK posted:

What are you guys even doing with internet this fast :smith:

Porn. Oh my god, so much porn.

Antillie posted:

Same. Hurry up TWC. My things need to go faster!

Y'all are so cute, thinking the bottleneck is on your end and not server-side. :allears:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Steam is a torrent style download. Most single servers don't ever get close to 50 Mbps to a single remote computer. If you have a traffic monitor, watch it sometime while you're browsing. very few things will brim any decent connection (or even get close).

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Oh it can be, of course - but that's generally going to happen with multiple users and/or multiple sources simultaneously. It takes a surprising amount of doing to really work an internet connection.

On the flipside are people who think that a 2/1 connection should stream and browse for multiple people with no delays... :eng99:

Panty Saluter fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Apr 10, 2015

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Netflix 1080p saturates your connection ? Sorry you're stuck on 6 Mbps :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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I can't imagine that TWC On Demand streams are anywhere near 30 Mbps. Seems a waste of bandwidth if it is...

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Saturating a single user's connection and hurting the performance for no image quality improvement would be beyond dumb. Especially given the cable boxes use 10-15 Mbps MPEG-2 for HD, even 10 Mbps h.264 would be more than adequate. Unless someone can show me the metadata that shows a 30 Mbps video stream I shall remain skeptical.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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wolrah posted:

Steam is not torrent-style. It uses plain old HTTP, you can actually cache it really easily.

Torrent style in terms of using multiple servers simultaneously. That's why it takes a minute to get to full speed.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Yeah TWC is lovely. They include high-def with their video service but no one told me I had to replace my CRT from 1990 to actually get the benefit. What a bunch of crooks.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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caberham posted:

Man why is my internet so slow. It's half as what it should be. It used to be faster when the tech tried speed test. I'm using the newer Netgear routers as well :ohdear:



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Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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GreyPowerVan posted:

I'm paying $50 a month for 6 down and .5 up which usually translates into 5 and .4 . It is the best I can get at my apartment.

Meanwhile, less than half a mile away from me, at my university, they have this:




This is on my laptops crappy wifi.

You mean paying for high bandwidth dedicated access to be rolled to your premises yields better results? hosed up if true

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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I'm not trying to set the bar too low but I'm floored it works at all :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Yeah, I have that moment when I'm getting something at 300 KB/s and it's annoying me, and then I think about life in '99-00 when I would have performed unspeakable sexual acts to get a consistent 5 KB/s :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Yeah, you're not gonna see a lot of improvement on upload for most cable systems unless they deploy very extensive plant upgrades. Not saying it won't happen but I wouldn't hold my breath.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Thanks Ants posted:

:eyepop:

More at the latency than anything else.

More at the giveaway router performing decently than anything else :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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GokieKS posted:

The router that T-Mobile gives away (or more accurately, loans) for free is an ASUS RT-AC68, one of the top-end models on the market.

Wow, what's the incentive for them to do that? Is it for signing up for X years of service?

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Jan 17, 2004

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god this blows posted:

I just signed up and I got one for free. If I never return it they'll charge me $99.

I guess they don't want them back.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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I would imagine that if you have enough RAM your computer would be able to cache and write to the mechanical drive at its leisure.


That's how it works in my head anyway :v:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Bear in mind that all this shows is nothing is coming into the WAN port on the router. While that can very easily be a problem on the incoming cable line, it could also indicate a faulty ethernet cable or port (modem and/or router). To be completely fair I've had routers lock up internet access before if they are failing or the firmware is lovely.

Do any of the lights on your modem go out/change color/start flashing when this happens?

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Thermopyle posted:

Here in the US, I expect my cable ISP to be poo poo,

Not that the ISPs are blameless but a lot of the complaints come from a vocal minority. Bear in mind that a lot of them don't know how the hell it works either, and will complain their internet is slow when three people are trying to watch videos simultaneously on a 2/1 SUPER BUDGET XXTREEM internet connection because they refuse to pay more than the absolute minimum. :smithicide:

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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As long as the property owners are cool with it, cable can run a separate line to your room.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Plan Z posted:

Trip report: Xfinity doesn't work with DirecTV if there's only one line to the house. This slipped through a lot of people, including folks at the Comcast store. gently caress, I just want internet from this century.

In most cases they should be able to run a new drop to the house and a new line to one room if necessary (functionally separating you from the rest of the house. The only restrictions I can imagine are a bitchy HOA that doesn't like external lines or very funky house construction. You may need to tell them you need a new line run to that room and you may have to pay for it.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Plan Z posted:

So, the Xfinity guy actually did a great job of setting up a new wire. It's amazing to me that I can now watch streaming 1080p while downloading a 40MB steam game in under 30 minutes.

See? Told ya that was all that had to happen :v:

xergm posted:

Awesome news, Plan Z!. Welcome to the modern world! :science:

I'm glad you finally got it all figured out and getting a tech out there to look at it was all it took to get everything sorted out.

For as much poo poo as field techs get, they usually beat phone reps who will sit there guessing endlessly at a situation that needs someone onsite to evaluate properly.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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All residential service is "up to". If you want guaranteed bandwidth it's a whole lot more than 50-70 USD a month.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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It's still not guaranteed bandwidth. Some providers can keep you at or near your cap better than others but it is not guaranteed.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Overprovisioning is not guaranteed. It's still TDMA and will not provide top bandwidth to all customers simultaneously. The subscriber agreements are still quite clear that there is no guarantee.

Actual dedicated bandwidth requires building strictly for one customer. Not many people (and a lot of businesses) have it because they don't need it and the cost is outrageous if you don't.

Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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Yes, and it's still not dedicated bandwidth. Treating it as such is only asking for heartache.

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Panty Saluter
Jan 17, 2004

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fishmech posted:

For all intents and purposes, it functions as such for the vast majority of cable and fiber customers these days.

No it doesn't. It functions as a well built shared bandwidth system. Expecting to get 100% bandwidth 100% of the time is willful naivete.

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