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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

HEY GAL posted:

early modern artillery owned, you shut your mouth

getting gunpowder might have been difficult without access to european supply lines though--charcoal's ok, saltpeter's kinda ok if enough people are pissing in the dirt where you live, but how much sulphur is in the new world? can you mine it

During King Philip's War I think there was either something like one place that could make gunpowder in all of New England or the colonists were entirely dependent on shipments from England.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

HEY GAL posted:

was it because of raw materials or did they forget how or something

Partly raw materials, mostly just not having much industrial infrastructure. This is only a couple generations after the Mayflower arrived, remember.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
Last time the British ran away from Europe like this was in 1940.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Jobbo_Fett posted:

Wikipedia: On this day




Britain pulls out from mainland EUrope

I made a Dunkirk joke already.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

FAT CURES MUSCLES posted:

Are there any cool military history museums around Munich?

The Deutsches Museum has the original German U-boat in the basement. It's worth visiting for that alone.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Ainsley McTree posted:

He and Henry VIII would have been good friends



Is that a loving coat of arms on his codpiece?

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 20:38 on Jun 26, 2016

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Xiahou Dun posted:

As of when I was there in May it and most of the other cool poo poo was in storage.

This wasn't mentioned on the website and I was super disappointed.

Really not worth it right now. Highly disagree with recommending it.

They did have an honest to gently caress Enigma though and that was pretty cool.

(I never posted pics because it was lame and I'm the worst photographer ever.)

That's... disappointing.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

HEY GAL posted:

The squirrel thing: how well supplied are these Alpini--do you suppose the sharpshooter wants to eat them? or do you think he wants to shoot them because he's, you know, a sharpshooter and it would be a challenge?

I'd think there wouldn't be much of the squirrel left if it was hit by a shot from a WW1 service rifle so probably the latter.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

Xerxes17 posted:

I'm now morbidly curious as to what a varmit round to the belly would do to a person.

It'd hurt like a bitch, same as any other bullet.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Hazzard posted:

And "Lions led by Donkeys" is a left wing myth, so left wing in fact that a Tory working for Thatcher invented it.

It actually existed long before Alan Clark wrote that squalid little book. You can thank Liddell Hart for a lot of it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Not really. Churchill was frustrated that in mid-1941 the Home Guard still didn't have enough weapons to issue every member a gun and wrote in a memo that they had to issue every member of the Home Guard a weapon even if it was just a pike or a mace.

He was exaggerating for effect, but some clod at the War Office took it literally and had thousands of pikes made up from old bayonets and pipes. Neither Churchill nor the poor bastards who were issued the things were happy about it.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
There's a big statue of Lincoln in Manchester, UK of all places. Although the reasoning becomes much more obvious when you read the plaque:

Extract of a letter to the working men of Manchester 19th January 1863 posted:

I know and deeply deplore the sufferings which the working people of Manchester and in all Europe are called to endure in this crisis. It has been often and studiously represented that the attempt to overthrow this Government which was built on the foundation of human rights, and to substitute for it one which should rest exclusively on the basis of slavery, was likely to obtain the favour of Europe. Through the action of disloyal citizens the working people of Europe have been subjected to a severe trial for the purpose of forcing their sanction to that attempt. Under these circumstances I cannot but regard your decisive utterances upon the question as an instance of sublime Christian heroism which has not been surpassed in any age or in any country. It is indeed an energetic and re-inspiring assurance of the inherent truth and of the ultimate and universal triumph of justice, humanity and freedom ... I hail this interchange of sentiments therefore, as an augury that whatever else may happen, whatever misfortune may befall your country or my own, the peace and friendship which now exists between the two nations will be as it shall be my desire to make them, perpetual.

Vincent Van Goatse fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 2, 2016

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

The Lone Badger posted:

Counterpoint: In modern America the Navy's Army has an Air Force.
(And operate their own carriers from which to launch those planes, which are separate from the Navy's aircraft carriers)

They don't operate those ships, the Navy does.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

MrYenko posted:

I believe his point was that the Navy operates them, and their escorts, entirely separately from the Navy's primary surface action groups and CVBGs.

So, the Navy's Army's Air Force has its own Navy?

Except they don't operate entirely separately. In an actual no-poo poo amphibious operation the CVBGs would be covering the amphibious ships.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

HEY GAL posted:

french as well, you've got the chef de file, "head of the file," chef de serre file, "head of the back of the line," and the chef de demi flle, "head of halfway down the line."

The Royal Navy actually did this poo poo too. You had Admirals of the Rear, Admirals of the Van [vanguard, i.e. the front of the line of battle], and Admirals of the Main. It's why the lowest grade of Admiral is known as Rear Admiral.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

FAUXTON posted:

Happy Fall of Vicksburg Day/Lee's Retreat from Gettysburg Day everyone!



George Meade has a Posse.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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FAUXTON posted:

Every time someone tries claiming Germany wasn't mobilized until the late war I want to sit them down and play them that guy's presentation about how utterly shitballs inefficient the German tank factories were.

They were mobilized, they just turned out like 3 tigers a day at full capacity.

Also worthy of note is that such improvements in German industrial capacity as there were late in the war were achieved by imported laborers (either foreigners brought in by German companies or concentration camp inmates).

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Kemper Boyd posted:

Clearly, a MacArthur coup would end by a bunch of privates killing him outside a bar or something with consecrated Patton-model cavalry sabres or something.

Probably led by Patton himself.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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As much as I hate alt-history in general, I find it amusing that y'all are complaining about alt-history authors writing about Gandhi being assassinated because, y'know, that's what happened in real history.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose
HESH wants blow up tank!

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Well, now I'm unreasonably angry at how stupid this is.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

P-Mack posted:

Read Grant's memoirs, they're great.

Sherman's too. Even better is they're like 99¢ on Kindle too and it's a nice edition that's been proofread and everything.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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EvanSchenck posted:

It makes sense. The War Nerd aka "Gary Brecher" is a pseudonym for the writer John Dolan, who happens to be one of those Irish-Americans who are still obsessively Anglophobic.

He also sucks poo poo on every other level of military history.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

my dad posted:

HEY GAL makes a lot of good posts about Germany and mercenaries, but she has something like a hundred pages of posts in this thread, so it's best to treat her like a cloud of alcohol, pistols, windows, pistols shooting through windows, weird German words, and suspiciously bloody coins that gets regularly quartered in this thread.

Trin Tragula
has an amazing blog that follows WW1 day by day, and updates this thread with links to the blog every time he posts something there. If you have the time, it's very much worth it.

lenoon posts about the conscientous objector movement, and his posts are a sobering reminder of just how awful war can be even at home, hundreds of miles away from the nearest front line.

JaucheCharly posts a lot about bows, especially Ottoman ones, pretty interesting stuff in there.

Disinterested made some interesting posts about the nature of fascism.

Jobbo_Fett makes regular posts about WW2 equipment, weapons, ammo, and stuff. Not my cup of tea, and not something I read, but the impression I get from people who are interested in that is that it's pretty high quality stuff.

P-Mack posts about the Taiping War. Gigantic civil war in China, one side being led by a dude who thinks he's Jesus' baby bro.

Bewbies posts about more technology oriented stuff, and made quite a lot of interesting posts about US in the civil war, the world wars, and the cold war.

Tevery Best has a couple of cool posts about Polish history.

chitoryu12 has a separate thread in which he tastes and talks about military rations from all over the world.



Apologies to any regulars whom I forgot or left out.

I make lovely jokes and occasionally post something about dreadnoughts.

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Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

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Smellrose

lenoon posted:

I feel like force ten from Navarone was the inferior Navarone book and is therefore expected to be kind of lovely on its depiction of German vehicles

The original used Chaffees to represent German tanks (a battalion's worth deployed on some backwater Greek island for some reason) so Force 10 actually comes out ahead.

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