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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

PittTheElder posted:

That assumes that the power with jets left hasn't run out of ordnance for them though, which is far from certain.

Hogge Wild posted:

Which countries other than USA has enough bombs for that kind of campaign? Even Britain and France ran out of bombs quite fast in Libya.
They ran out of precision bombs. If all you want to do is blow poo poo up and you aren't super concerned about which poo poo you blow up you can make a shitload of dumb bombs in a very short amount of time and drop them all over the place. Doubly true if you pull an Assad and just drop literally anything that will explode on your enemy.

Ensign Expendable posted:

Well there is another one, the T-35, that got started up and drove off to a restoration garage after sitting in Kubinka for decades. More knowledgeable people than I bitched about it endlessly though, since apparently no inspection whatsoever was done to make sure they didn't gently caress the thing up by trying to run it.

On one hand it spent its time waiting indoors, on the other hand the T-35 was never a beacon of reliability to begin with.
The guys who make War Thunder paid for the restoration of a T-44 that had been sitting in barn for 50 years. Turns out that the Russian government still had a brand new T-44 radiator and coolant system in a warehouse somewhere they could use to fix the original that had been crushed (presumably when hit by another tank). They slapped that in, filled it with water, oil, and gas, added a truck battery, and sledgehammered the transmission into gear and it rolled right out.

Watch Roadkill on YouTube to see poo poo like this done with cars in just about every episode. Roll up to something that's been sitting in a junkyard for 30 years, bang away on it for a couple days, and drive out.

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 04:46 on Apr 22, 2015

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Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

PittTheElder posted:

Jesus, are those the same sort of exhaust fumes you'd get out of them when they were new? Once you get 10 of them in one area, I suspect that would seriously hinder your ability to remain unseen. Or maybe that just what WWII era tanks were like?
Even modern diesel tank engines smoke pretty good on start-up and under heavy load.

Example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoQoui1VKkU

Edit: Bonus Leopard 2 tractor pull: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXG-6NFPGn8

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 07:13 on Apr 22, 2015

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Which significantly contributed to almost sinking an aircraft carrier. Turns out Composition B doesn't store well in tropical climates.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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scissorman posted:

E.g. mucking with Wallstreet or Comcast or whatever could be a perfect terror attack and thus also tie up government resources.
It really wouldn't because nobody would be terrorized. People would be annoyed and inconvenienced, but not terrorized. Remember that terrorism has two very distinct target populations, the people you're terrorizing, and the people funding you to terrorize them. Neither is going to be particularly impressed with "We cause an internet outage" or "We made a bunch of stockbrokers sad before they rolled the system back 6 hours."

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Taerkar posted:

How direct is the link between the Ottoman Empire and modern Turkey? Specifically why would the genocide be something that they are ignoring vs a 'It wasn't us, honest!' approach?
Other than containing the capital Anatolia was a not particularly important part of a much larger dynastic empire lead by people who were not Turks and did not speak Turkish. This does not stop modern Turkey from hearkening back to great days of courageous deeds and etc, etc. As to why they get so worked up about the Armenian Genocide, imagine how people in England might react if you decided to get really honest about Richard the Lionheart and his status as a French king who only incidentally ruled England as the most backwards and worthless of his many possessions and was a baby-murdering crusader dickbag to boot.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

brozozo posted:

Wait, so who were the Ottoman sultans then?
Yeah I'm mad wrong on that one. I think I was thinking of some other empire. Most of the Ottoman leaders were Turkic. Ottoman Turkish was however pretty close to unintelligible to the majority of Turks due to it's heavy Arabic influence.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Tomn posted:

I think the problem isn't really face-to-face contact and really more staring at a blob of men far-off in the powder haze and trying to figure out if you're allowed to shoot them or not.
If they are far off you aren't going to hit them anyway.

Remember in this period that the effective range of a musket and the effective range of a well-hurled rock are roughly similar.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Tomn posted:

I'm kinda curious, did Napoleonic armies ever run a uniform recognition program so that your average soldier would know who not to shoot if not part of their own army? Sort of like the WW2 "This man is your FRIEND - he fights for LIBERTY" stuff?
Your average soldier didn't decide what to shoot at. He marched around in a big unit and shot at whatever he was told to shoot at.

Individual marksmanship just isn't a thing for the average soldier until about 50 years later.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Murgos posted:

From what I understand they mostly also didn't so much aim as just line their muskets up to be at the same angle/direction as their neighbor. Although I am sure some of the more experienced men knew how to aim it wasn't required.
Yup. Military smoothbores of the period generally didn't even have sights. Soldiers more or less just pointed in the direction of the enemy and let fly. After the first volley or two they wouldn't even have been able to see the enemy unless there was a pretty stiff breeze to blow the smoke away.

A smoothbore musket can be relatively accurate, but you have to seriously compromise speed and reliability to make it so.

Murgos posted:

By the time rifles were common in the ACW though, well, I know a guy who can hit a a 20" target at 400 yards with his antique.
Yup. An 1855 Springfield Rifle is a revolutionary advance in smallarms compared to a Napoleonic musket. Accurate to 5x the range with a higher rate of fire and greater reliability.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

I posted my food for USPOL Thanksgiving!

Phanatic posted:

Also, how the hell do you get the URL parser to acknowledge time hacks in Youtube URLs?
Use [url] tags and just add #t=0m0s to the end of the url.

bewbies posted:

There also isn't anything I can find open-source that shows what a modern torpedo might do to an armored ship, everything I can find is just empty supply ships and old escorts.
My bet is at one torpedo for a mission kill. It might not sink a BB with very good damage control but it would certainly render it unable to make way or steer and likely do irreparable damage.

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 11, 2015

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Oct 15, 2004

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Fizzil posted:

Its probably a dumb question, but during conflicts like the ACW (19th century in general), did cavalry carry any lances with them, or did they rely on the saber when guns weren't an option any more? (ran out of ammo, or jammed or whatever, imagine a really really lovely situation where they can't retreat or something) what was their last resort weapon?
The weapons hierarchy was more or less: Carbine/shotgun, pistol, pistol, pistol, pistol (seriously, these guys carried a lot of pistols), smaller pistol, boot pistol, hat pistol, weird knife-pistol hybrid pistol, sabre.

It wasn't uncommon for a cavalryman to have several pistols and/or spare cylinders about his person with a few more strapped to his saddle.

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 23:28 on May 12, 2015

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Oct 15, 2004

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Cyrano4747 posted:

How much do swords weigh?
This gentlemen is swinging around a 178cm (5'10") 3.45kg (7.6lb) Zweihander-style sword.

That's a sword taller than your average 16th century man and it still weighs in under 8lbs.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Fangz posted:

I'm a big fan of Matt Easton's videos.

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Oct 15, 2004

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mlmp08 posted:

We may be more sedentary now, but I bet our top athletes are beasts compared to even the most fit warriors of 600 years ago.
Our top athletes are beasts compared to our top athletes of 20 years ago.

Your average NFL starter in 2015 would have been a multi-sport Olympic gold medalist in 1980.

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Oct 15, 2004

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HEY GAL posted:

The early modern West knows inbetween weapons kind of like this as "hackbuts," "hook guns," or wall guns." Cav doesn't use them though, that's way too rad for the West.
The 19th century Western version would be the punt gun used by commercial waterfowl hunters.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Murgos posted:

Its more likely that there is nothing there worth aggregating China over.
South Korea isn't real interested in dealing with them either.

North Korea exists because it's such a quagmire of human misery that nobody wants to wade in and claim it.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Squalid posted:

What do naval encounters look like during the Taiping Rebellion? I'm imagining junks with lots of guys lined up on deck shooting matchlocks and rockets, or was it more sophisticated?
Even a very big river is tight quarters for naval fighting so I imagine there was a lot of ramming and boarding going on.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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gradenko_2000 posted:

This is a cool channel that I drop by and watch every now and then, but what does it mean when they say "sporterize"?
Sporterizing is taking a military rifle and modifying it for sporting use. Things like removing the fore-end of the stock to save weight, re-profiling the grip and stock to fit the shooter, adding new sights, drilling the receiver for a scope mount, or converting the weapon to fire a more commonly available cartridge.

All of this generally reduces the weapon's value as a collector's item.

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Oct 15, 2004

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HEY GAL posted:

Which reminds me: according to Clausewitz, people just stopped doing this during the 18th/19th century. He says it's no other reason than "fashion"--was there a doctrinal reason people didn't fortify their siege lines any more in the 1790s?

How long did a siege generally last in your time period? It seems possible that artillery had advanced to a point by the early 17th century that fortresses could be taken before a siege-breaking force could be organized to relieve them.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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chitoryu12 posted:

There were a few efforts to make pinfire cartridges (which incorporate the firing pin into the rim), but these aren't a very good cartridge because they're basically rimfires that have to be inserted one way into the chamber.
There were a whole bunch of ideas that were ingenious, novel, silly, just plain nuts, or some combination of the above in this era. The pinfire cartridge is one of the more practical and more successful ones. 1820ish to 1900ish was a period in which new guns and cartridges were being invented so fast that they were often obsolete in as little as a year.

You had the successful but short-lived needle guns like the Chassepot and Dreyse. About a hundred different attempts to build cartridge-firing pistols without infringing on Rollin White's patent, of which the cupfire system is only one. And the end of the century brought us truly revolutionary machines like the Maxim Gun and glorious insanity like the Mars Automatic Pistol.

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Oct 15, 2004

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chitoryu12 posted:

In most normal cartridges, the primer is positioned at the back of the powder. This causes it to burn back to front, expelling some unburnt powder down the barrel. If the barrel isn't long enough, some of that unburnt or still burning powder goes flying out the barrel instead of contributing energy to the bullet (this is why shortening the barrel of a gun gives you bigger muzzle flash and blast while also decreasing velocity). By burning the powder front to back, they would minimize the loss of gunpowder out the barrel. They also wanted to use it to let them put less powder in the cartridge (since better efficiency means less powder is needed for the same velocity) and position the percussion cap deep within the cartridge and away from accidental detonation.
I'm skeptical of that reasoning. Do you have a source? From what I've always understood it was simply because the bullet was the only thing solid enough to attach the priming compound to. Attaching it to the paper would have meant the soldier would have to be very careful about correctly aligning primer and firing pin. Attaching it to the back of the bullet means the primer always ends up in the same place, where the (very long) pin can hit it. It also provides a solid surface for the pin to strike against.

Edit: Admittedly I'm no expert so I may be very wrong

Rent-A-Cop fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Jun 27, 2015

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Oct 15, 2004

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bewbies posted:

Most interesting to me is that the initial target was the Japanese fleet. I'm really curious how this targeting decision evolved from clear military target in 1943 to discussion of which cities would blow up best by early 1945.
There just weren't any military targets left worth bombing. Every major naval combatant was either sunk or crippled and the ships that could still sail couldn't get enough fuel to leave port. The air forces were devastated and similarly couldn't source the fuel or spare parts required to keep even a token number of planes in the air. The IJA was still more or less functional but the bulk of its troops and equipment were stuck in China being picked apart piecemeal by Guerrillas and starvation while they waited for the Russians to come crush them.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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feedmegin posted:

I have to ask, what sort of (legitimate, non-Russian-mafia) dealer sells armour piercing bullets?
Pretty much any rifle cartridge is "armor piercing" by some definition. Soft body armor simply isn't designed to stop anything moving that fast.

feedmegin posted:

Do deer wear Kevlar now?
5.56mm/.223 caliber is widely considered the bare minimum to humanely take small deer. More popular (and humane) deer loads in the 7-8mm range will defeat even some hard armor plates.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Logistics wins wars, not doubling or tripling the range at which you can produce accurate fire.
Especially when the range at which you can produce accurate fire is already well outside the range at which your soldiers can aim. A normal .308 or 8mm battle rifle of the last century is already mechanically capable of outshooting 99% of soldiers.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Can someone with actual knowledge correct me here but how did they counter light infantry tactics?
Cavalry works wonders on a bunch of guys spread out in a field. If that's not an option you can just march over and gently caress them up. Skirmishers can't hold ground very effectively when they can only fire a few shots a minute.

But if you are paralyzed by indecision, confusion, bureaucracy, stupidity, drunkenness, senility, rigid doctrine or some combination of the above your dudes are going to get shot up just standing around in the open being sniped at.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Raenir Salazar posted:

Also the American riflemen probably weren't all spread out in a field but stuck to forests probably.
The whole "American rifleman" thing is pretty overblown. The US won the Revolutionary War with a large conventional army and significant financial, logistical, and naval support from a world power ally. While there were some significant guerrilla-style actions what they mostly contributed was preventing smaller regional British forces from combining with and aiding the main force in the Mid-Atlantic/Northeast.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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Nenonen posted:

Your average civilian person just sees a generic tank. For many of them you should be happy if they can see the difference between a MBT and an IFV.
See also every police thread ever where people flip out about "tanks" every time an armored van gets spotted.

Rent-A-Cop
Oct 15, 2004

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A question for HEY GAL: What was the road system like in your period? Are Mansfield and the boys traipsing all over the Europe through field and forest or are there some actual roads to follow, and how are they not constantly lost?

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JcDent posted:

Isn't it that ores in Japan are kind of lovely, that's why you needed to fold katanas five thousand times?
Japan has a little iron and copper and basically nothing else. It was one of their many reasons for wanting to take over their corner of the world. Without minerals and oil they were basically at the mercy of Western powers and anarchic shitholes like China to fuel their industry.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Zorak of Michigan posted:

When my daughter asked me about the Pacific Theater in WWII, I told her it was easiest to understand if you assumed that Japan never had a war plan in the sense we mean it. They had a conviction that Heaven would ensure their victory, and a rough scheme for putting Heaven in an excellent position to intervene in their favor.
They had a plan, but it was pretty much a "One good punch" style of plan. They knew from the outset that a war of attrition would not be in their favor and tried for a knockout blow. To their credit, the first few months of the war went very, very badly for the US. What Japanese planners misjudged was what the American response would be. After it became apparent that the knockout punch hadn't worked the Navy kept trying for another even bigger punch while the Army went for fanatical no-retreat-no-surrender hoping that the US wouldn't be up to that level of blodletting.

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bewbies posted:

Japan kind of put the quality over quantity model in place with just about everything including their aircraft. As has been said, they knew they weren't going to win a war of attrition, so it made some sense to have fewer, higher quality things than lots and lots of lower quality things. It certainly did make upgrading equipment along the way more difficult, but again, that was something of a conscious tradeoff...if they were in a war long enough to require significantly new things, they were going to lose, and old planes are just as effective as new ones at flying into ships on purpose.
I don't know if that really holds water. Japanese production quality, especially post about 1943, was pretty shoddy on a lot of things. Late-war Arisakas for example have a real nasty reputation for blowing up in the shooter's face. Maybe aircraft were an exception, but a lot of Japanese Army equipment started the war obsolete and got worse from there.

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Jobbo_Fett posted:

Pretty sure those Last Ditch Arisakas were 1945 built examples. I don't know if I'd go so far as saying a lot of stuff was obsolete. Certainly the tankettes were, but I've always seen it more as their equipment had issues or quirks, not completely obsolete.
I was thinking more of things like motor transport and artillery, but a lot of their arms were definitely "quirky" as you say. My no-evidence theory on that is that Japan had the same turn of the century arms manufacturing quirkiness as everyone else but didn't have the rationalizing effect of WWI to sort the wheat from the chaff and then got stuck-in in China and wisely kept what (sort of) worked instead of trying to rearm during a war.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Tomn posted:

So here's a bit of Gay Black Hapsburg to break up the WW2 chat: If by some miracle the Spanish Armada had kept its poo poo together long enough to transport the Spanish Army from Flanders to England (from what I understand that would require a few Gay Black Hapsburgs in and of itself), was there any realistic chance of keeping that Army supplied or reinforced while it tromped around England? Would they have been able to keep themselves going and battle-worthy through forage and plunder alone, or would they have required supplies from Flanders/Spain? And if they required the supplies, did Spain have the infrastructure needed to maintain those supply lines and keep the English from privateering them to hell at the same time?
Considering how the Drake-Norris Expedition went the next year it doesn't seem like either Spain or England really had the resources to accomplish an invasion and successful campaign.

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Marxism posted:

Also to continue the tanktalk: Based on what I've read (almost entirely from this thread). It seems like there is no tank that would ever be worth 2 of its enemy counterpart indicating that having more tanks of slightly lower quality would almost always be better than less tanks of higher quality.
A little tank on the battlefield is better than a huge tank stuck on the other side of the river. Exactly how good a tank is can be very situational. For example, the US Army's M1 series is a very good tank, if you're the US Army. If you're not the US Army the M1's fuel consumption is going to be something of an issue.

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Oct 15, 2004

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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

The guys hanging out in it are not free.
Conscripts are practically free.

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Oct 15, 2004

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Just wait until Gajin adds ships to War Thunder sometime in the early 22nd century.

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ALL-PRO SEXMAN posted:

Nope. Submarine pressure hulls are thick and difficult to penetrate, which shouldn't be surprising considering what their job is. You need a decent-sized shell (4" and larger) to stand a chance of punching through a vital point on a surfaced submarine. The 3"/50s on the destroyer escorts we gave to the Royal Navy fired shells that often bounced off surfaced U-boats.
Spraying down the deck and conning tower with .50 will make life pretty unpleasant for anyone outside the pressure hull, and hey you might even break something important!

You don't necessarily have to hole a sub's pressure hull to sink it either.

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Oct 15, 2004

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To continue bad poetry posting with a tank destroyer verse:

Tiger, Tiger, burning bright
In the forests of the night,
What seven-six or one-five-two
Was it that liquefied your crew?

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