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SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Croisquessein posted:

I love how the poster seems to be illustrating the undeniable ancestral link between humans and apes, and that's apparently the opposite of what they meant.

I have never in my life felt motivated to educate other people on something I am aware I know nothing about, I don't get why people who do not even understand the mechanisms of evolution get the idea they're going to school everybody on why it's bullshit.

Because they think they do know all about it because of what they've been told by religious twits that don't know anything about it. It's really common. They want to believe in God and creation and all that jazz so some quack like Hovind or Ham pop up and write a bunch of bullshit papers/reports on why some idea that conflicts is wrong (see the creation museum for 'facts') and these dolts eat it up because god is real and science must be wrong because God and their specific religion can't be wrong.

ChickenMedium posted:

That will never happen because the people making these movies don't give a poo poo. They are in it to make a buck, and making the movies good would cut into their profit margins. Plus, the people who are buying the tickets don't want "good" they want "reinforces my own beliefs" with a side of "sticking it to Hollywood/liberals/atheists."

This is all you need to know when it comes to evangical movies.

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SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
You're not going to face a social death because you failed one class....unless your parents/friends are complete assholes in which case why does their opinion matter? Your social death is hyperbole

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
^ i thought that was well established already with "Sign this denial or fail the class"



Pththya-lyi posted:

IIRC, the kids in the movie seem awfully worried about something when they're all signing the paper saying "God is Dead" in the first act. What do you think they're worried about, if not bad grades and scorn?

Well, if they're religious, they're denying god, which is pure evil in the fundie mindset.

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Apr 11, 2015

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Xibanya posted:

From what I'm getting, Catholics tend to be better at making films with explicitly Christian messages. Could that be because most Catholics in the US are relatively recent immigrants (like from last 100 years) and live on the East or West coasts and the evangelicals are all clustered in flyover country so it's more a rural vs. urban divide than anything inherent to the religions themselves?

My boyfriend's mom is a third generation pole immigrant and his dad is Mexican so he's catholic as all get out but his family doesn't do much screeching about gays and atheists or whatever and his mom likes Bollywood films which don't even have a Christian subtext.

Eh, your general religious retards span over every branch of religion no matter what or where. for example while you have moderate catholics, you also have others that aren't like Andy Schafely (granted he's more catholic in title only) and other parts where catholics see the Virgin Mary in toast and jesus in a bathroom door, or a holy image on a sheet pan....

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
Well, that's what the people this film was aimed at honestly believe. atheists are atheists because somewhere along the line a tragedy had struck and they blamed god for it.

Just like the complaint that the professor is just some clueless boob. The people that the thing was geared for don't think atheists are capable of any thought, rationalization or morals because they reject the obvious. They're corrupted by satan to try and destroy Christianity and turn people away just because.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Croisquessein posted:

In this movie's context the implication is that Sorbo's character does believe in god but hates him, which doesn't describe Bill Nye.

Well, this again is the fundamentalist mindset. Atheists deny god because they're angry with him or blame him for how their life turns out. At no point do any of them understand that atheists don't believe there is a god.
But then if they did, it might help them understand things better, which you know they aren't going to do

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
I preferred watching christians get their persecution complex on watching the crazy church lady in the Mist.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

I dunno which is worse, the fundie christian making poo poo up about demonic influences, or the ex 70's porn actor conducting the "interview". drat the style back then was bad

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

JediTalentAgent posted:

That Chinese thing sounds like something I saw a bit of years ago in passing. A guy was showing off written Chinese characters and interpreting that they had origins in the Christianity.

I can't remember anything specific and this is a made up example to describe what they were doing: They'd show maybe a character for something like 'rice' and explaining, "Well, that looks like a cross, doesn't it...?" and go and interpret how they were connected from there.

Eh, i may not have seen it, but i can reasonably bet it's a bunch of made up poo poo and fabrication much like those bigfoot hunters, ancient aliens, and ghost hunter shows do

If there's one thing I've learned, if the film is put out to show the "TRUTH", it's most likely complete bullshit. Ironic.

Maybe it wasn't purposely made to have a religious bent to it, but Saints and Soldiers made me roll my eyes continuously with the evil atheist medic wanting to kill, lie, and steal only to possibly find god in the end while the poor, honest, honorable mormon soldier struggles with guilt over an accident he committed and is deeply sorry for.

muscles like this? posted:

That dinosaur title is weird. I wonder if they can't legally call what they're saying "truth" when it is objectively wrong.

Well, :foxnews: gets to call itself news...

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

This looks like the beginning to a really really weird porno

I'm expecting to see Courage pop in from from off screen and start slinging insults

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
^ But don't you see the twist? It's an amazing twist!



Hudson would take whatever he had offered. He's been whoring himself for decades.


So basically the plot of this movie revolves around a fantasy world where people get arrested for talking about religion?

coyo7e posted:

No when you jump out of a plane, you reach up and pull a ripcord, setting off a mechanical process in which your 'chute deploys (if it was folded etc properly). You've also got a backup 'chute.

If you jump out of a plane and then close your eyes and just trust in your parachute, you'll end up being scraped up off the ground with a really big spatula. For Jesus.


In fairness I think he meant trusting in it to work. But see, I wouldn't. I'd hope it would work, and hope the backup would in case. But if I trust it to work I won't respond right if it doesn't.

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jul 11, 2015

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
Ya know, normally i ask whether people like that know why they're not deemed worth enough to keep.
the only place i've seen that sort of religious bullshit get a free pass was at a job where the management staff and a few coworkers were all fundies that attended the same church.
Needless to say when the owner overheard them all pondering whether he was one of those "radical muslims" the staff started to thin out a bit. As far as I know the owner never expressed any religious belief ever and was a pretty good guy. Used to piss the managers off when he'd come in and say hi to me by name and then say hi to everyone else as a group. I assumed they figured we were in cahoots since they knew i was an evil agnostic/atheist at the time

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Neo Rasa posted:

Margot Kidder and Howie Mandel, both of whom claim to have been unaware it was a Christian film until well into filming.

This seems to be an ongoing theme when it comes to people iffy on religion being put in religious themed movies. One would wonder why those that are supposed to be honest as their deity commands would be dishonest when "spreading the Word".
I've asked it of other religious moral crusades, if your moral crusade requires immoral acts to push it along, is it really that moral?

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

DStecks posted:

Spoilered because this sounds like a loving pro watch:

Sounds like the typical "We don't really understand it, but rather than try, we'll just make a movie with all the outlandish bullshit we can come up with about it and mix in some persecution complex for the god fearin' people"

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
I've heard the Last Temptation to be a contest against the Passion for a "good family Easter viewing", but I never thought that highly of the Passion anyways

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

New christian movie did extremely well in box office #s (Only in 1,135 theaters and made 11 million)

From the people who brought you Fireproof and Courageous

War Room




Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIl-XY9t_Lw

Here is what Kirk Cameron said


And of course like every christian movie by these directors, they whore out a long list of resources created specifically for the movie

http://warroommovieresources.com/

I imagine by "power of prayer" they mean made up bullshit that can't possibly happen and "coincidences"

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

John Quixote posted:

No, they mean the power you can get from all the books they're offering you. That's not a resource list; it's a shopping list.

Amazing how all this info to save your soul and join the good side always costs money. You would think doing god's will would be free

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
Whatever happened to that movie that the makers of Expelled were trumpeting? Was supposed to follow the life of Hovind or some such creationist tard

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Action Jacktion posted:

Do you mean A Matter of Faith with Harry Anderson? It came out theatrically, but I can't find any critical reviews, and it doesn't seem to be on any sort of home video. I'm not sure what happened.

I guess? I only saw the premise in passing some evolution denial board

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

DeusExMachinima posted:

2God2Undead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sxz-Y-c2UUc

I see it's hitting theaters on National Atheists' Day :smuggo:

What's more hilarious/bad? Porn remakes of popular movies or Christian remakes of popular movies.

I myself vote Christian because even if porn remakes are cheesy and pathetic, I get some use out of them.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Chairman Capone posted:

I wonder if being in a Christian movie is compatible with being a Shrim Healing Minister?


There just has to be a BDSM adaptation of The Passion of the Christ somewhere.

I thought the passion was the BDSM adaptation? Plenty of the devoute do their best to beat off to it on a regular basis as THE movie of movies

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
I. am. truly. baffled. that. some. adult. still. thinks. magic. tricks. are. real. magic.

Just the narration was enough to make me want to stab my brain.
This guy's basically taken a usual approach lots of the nutbars take. "I can't explain it/understand it, therefor god"
The stupid thing is a small google search will tell you how these tricks are preformed.

Hell, the face changers he drones on about you can see the masks pull down by the arm hidden under their cloaks in shots where the arms don't wave up to obscure it.

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Nov 15, 2015

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
^ Really, if anything it always looks like "kookery" is on the rise. There's insane assholes all over.

I do love magic though, good magic that leaves you amazed and entertains. It's just as much showmanship as it is talent. Blaming satan and actual powers for stuff people learn and practice all their lives because their lives depend on it is just stupid and sad. I'll bet this gently caress is the same that watches movies to pick apart messages for Jesus/satan rather than for entertainment

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Ashcans posted:

If Satan is giving people crazy powers just so that they can perform rad stage acts, he seems like a pretty chill dude. I mean none of those guys are using their spiritual powers to vanish people's eyes or steal children or whatever.

Satan is a pretty chill guy. I mean, he's the villain all through the bible, but he really doesn't do that much stuff while god slaughters and maims

Robotnik Nudes posted:

Yeah when I said kookery was flagging I meant it was losing a lot of its novelty for me after being into it for so long. There's only so many way you can mix and match steel beams, NWO, rapture and UFOs. I found a man so deeply afraid of socery and the insane infernal power to make a coin disappear really refreshing.

History channel covers that poo poo pretty well. The latest being UFOs/aliens took part in the US civil war and helping hide Hitler in '45

shadowvine118 posted:

Honestly, if magic were real, or atleast if it worked the way that guy claims, it wouldn't be nearly as impressive. Magic tricks take practice and some skill, but if all it took was a contract with Satan and some demon possession, than anyone could do it.

Makes me wonder if he thinks the Paranormal movies are legit documentaries and takes notes so he knows what to look for

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Nov 17, 2015

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

KinkyJohn posted:

Why are the comments disabled for every christian trailer movie ever? Is it because the non-believers are bullying those poor christians on the youtube, or is it because the creator pre-emptively knows what type of comments he'll get...

Eh, they likely know people are gonna either troll the comments or beat their opinions shown in the clip into the dirt. So to avoid having to defend their crazy bullshit they'll block comments instead.

Kinda like watching them bitch on IMDb about "atheists" insta downvoting their movies with 1 star ratings. But when you actually look at the votes, there's like 25-50% that 10 star the movies and a sprinkling of other votes down to a small percentage that voted 1.

It's just them trying to excuse their bullshit by not giving anyone room to question it or play the victim...because dear god are Christians ever persecuted more than anything else in the modern era

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Ensign_Ricky posted:

This one just feels like "Hey, let's remake this thing!" "Great, how do we make it feel authentic to the original?" "...Morgan Freeman!" "High five, bro!" *commence cocaine snorting*

I think that's the basic thought pattern for any modern remake and the remake of a remake.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

coyo7e posted:

only because Jesus' love is invisible

While God's is so unconditional it has conditions

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

hemophilia posted:

Last Days In The Desert features a non-divine Jesus? That kinda sucks. Is it at least a good movie? If I have faith am I gonna feel like poo poo if I enjoy it?

I consume plenty of 'sinful' media but the blatantly heretical actually does bother me.

I thought the Last Temptation was a great movie though. The Passion is more upsetting and infuriating to me from the overtly sexist depiction of satan to the nazi-propaganda-esque depiction of the pharisees and actually basically everyone that was Jewish, the glorification of rome, and the most offensive thing is the apparent way the movie loving relishes in the torture of Christ. I hate to agree with South Park, but The Passion is a sickening, lovely movie and I've gotten into shouting matches about it back in my hardcore christian days.

That Christians not only accept The Passion but promote it as some way to connect with the savior is.... I just want to scream at them. There's so much wrong with the movie it's an insult to faith, it's an insult to God, and God, and the spirit of God, and women, and men, and snakes, and Romans, and also gently caress Mel Gibson although I like Apocalypto, it has many of the same problems, but it doesn't offend my religious sensibilities and he did a hell of a job with the imagery and storytelling, but I don't know this for sure, but I suspect his depiction of the Mayans/Aztecs/whoever the decadent human sacrificing natives were might be problematic, but apocalypto has little to do with this thread so i'll stop now.

Well, the more "devote" push it anyways. I've seen lots of Christians rail against it just as much as anyone else because it really has no message or any meaning except "Everyone was evil and killed Jesus, see how awesome we are for believing in it". Religious stuff can be done well, I enjoyed the Bible series when the History channel showed it and I didn't get beat over the head with a book through the whole thing about how awesome this religion is.
I'd like to be able to enjoy Saints and Soldiers more, but the movie is so trite on the religion vs atheism thing it's hard to watch without rolling your eyes so much they hurt.
The thing is, Gibson didn't make a movie to be artsy or creative. He made a movie to showboat part of his religion

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

FreudianSlippers posted:

I don't really see why the Jews get so much flack while the Romans get off basically scot free. I mean sure the local religious authorities really put a lot of pressure on the Romans to execute Jesus but they weren't the ones to actually torture and crucify the dude. It's not like the Romans had to whip him and put a crown of thorns on him and generally torment. They could've just slit his throat and be done with it. They could also very easily have totally ignored the locals and their bullshit.

So they are possibly even more to blame.

But I suspect the early Christians downplayed the anti-Roman angle a bit since the empire was still going strong and the last thing you want when you have a little startup is to anger the most powerful empire in the world which is not afraid to kill thousands of people for pretty minor things.

As the story goes, Jesus and that murderer dude were brought out and the crowd of Jews was asked who should be let go and who should be crucified...the Jews chose Jesus to be the ppunished one and let the other guy go. Least that's how it goes in the bible.
The christian apologists I've heard always excuse the Roman torture as "they did that to everyone, Jesus wasn't really a special case"

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Cemetry Gator posted:

Another film that covers concepts of faith is "Gran Turino."

Catholicism plays a major role in the film, at least in terms of themes. Central to the film is the idea of redemption and what does it mean to do the right thing? In many ways, Clint Eastwood's Walt sets us up for our modern time. He's a former soldier, he's a gun owner, he's not afraid to take action and wave his weapon around, and he's played by Clint Eastwood, famous for playing guys like Dirty Harry who had trouble accepting that he couldn't just torture suspected criminals without facing repercussions.

So how the film deals with the rape and assault of the teenage daughter of the Hmong family is massively important. Instead of going in with guns blazing, he instead sacrifices himself. A key element in the film is the priest's attempts at connecting with Walt. In the beginning of the film, the eulogy the priest gives is trite and meaningless: "Death is bittersweet to us Catholics." Walt even makes fun of him for it. But at the end of the film, the priest has connected with Walt, and when giving the eulogy, he starts off with a personal story that's a little off color: "He called me a 27-year-old over educated virgin." Once again, the idea of faith is not "god is going to tell me what to do," but rather, it's something inward that helps me make the right decision.


I never read it as such when watching it. Faith was just something to pop up here and there and try to sway Walt from his old timers fail-to-adapt-to-change and be the occasional comedic relief. He just takes a shining to the Hmongs and realises that the kids he's come to love can never really be free until the gang is dealt with and he knew there was no real way one guy was going to stand up to them.
I mean to see the priest go from calm and collected to "Oh Lord Jesus, what have you done?" as soon as Walt walks in, or even his scared "Je -- zuz -- Christ." gasps out when Walt says he is at peace were just beautiful moments of comedy in a dark way

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Cemetry Gator posted:

They're definitely comedic moments, and they're played up for laughs, but that doesn't mean it is just there to lighten the mood.

The priest plays a major enough role in the film, and it's bookended by the eulogies, that it is hard not to see it play an element in the film.

You can even trace their relationship. Walt goes from being openly antagonistic to the priest, to feeling comfortable enough with him to go to confession. He wasn't even going to mass before, and he basically did the church thing because of his wife. So to seek out confession shows that he is changing. Walt can't even tell his own son he's sick. It's quite clear that Walt isn't very emotionally intimate with many people. And the priest comes to Walt's level too, even saying that he'd love a beer.

It's not like Million Dollar Baby, which also features a priest, but ultimately, faith isn't really a core component of that film.

I didn't see it as him changing because religion. It was more or less because of the gang attack on the girl. Up till that moment he was still openly hostile to the priest, and even after till they connected with a shared concern over what to do.
I think through the whole thing Walt was religious, he was just one of those types that found doing all the extras and poo poo to be annoying, and the fact that the father was a youngster vs his sagely age, hence the moment Walt asks him if he knows about death. The ending was just Walt getting his last poo poo together with the suit, the haircut, and finally hitting confession.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

UltimoDragonQuest posted:

"play a world-renowned atheist whose beliefs are dramatically challenged."

So a hate filled rear end in a top hat with the morals of poo poo....I think if anything pisses me off about "christian" films it's how more often than not everyone not Christian is an ignorant gently caress with no values

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

coyo7e posted:

Because Ghost Riders in the Sky is a great song so why not turn it into a rap about causing Satan's kingdom to fall?

Also what the gently caress does that even mean? Didn't Satan already fall? Wasn't that the whole point of him ruling hell? If you were to destroy hell wouldn't that mean that all the damned souls and devils would be loosed on earth and maybe heaven too? Don't shoot satan bro, bad idea

This kinda depends on which rules of christianity you follow. There's one where satan is everything bad, thus satan fell from heaven, satan tempting eve, etc.
Then there's another, though much smaller, group that understands that the snake was an animal, not satan nor possessed, and Lucifer is not satan but a king of old who fell from grace for declaring himself higher than god.
If you can get two people with either viewpoint together, watching them argue this stuff is amazing

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

muscles like this! posted:

Wait, when did someone edit out the religion in Veggie Tales?

More like how, religion is like the whole show

Basebf555 posted:

So its totally cool to show violence like a guy walking into town and mowing down some people with a silenced gun, as long as the overall message is pro-Christian?

Honestly, is that any worse than the poo poo in the bible?
"Well I, the all powerful, all knowing creator of the universe see you folk have decided to build your homes in land I just decided should belong to these other people. So rather than use my mighty powers to resolve this, I'm going to instruct them to swarm in and kill everything that breathes in your home. Have a nice day"

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Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Lol, under "did you know"
"The film takes place in 2030."
that's it

I love all these movies about the evil atheist government persecuting Christians considering how many government positions and states have laws which pretty much exclude atheists from holding office.

SocketWrench fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jan 23, 2017

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