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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

icantfindaname posted:

That's pretty much what the usual opinion of Muslims has been, or at least was before "they're terrorist untermenschen". Remember the US was best friends with some Muslim countries including the Saudis for many years and still is, that has to be justified somehow

Before 9/11, the majority of American Muslims voted Republican and were courted by Republicans because they were seen as solid social conservatives. George W. Bush overwhelmingly won the Muslim vote in 2000 (estimated 70-80%, versus 10% for Gore), at least to a degree because he actively courted them while Gore was seen as not being interested in them.

http://www.meforum.org/13/how-did-muslims-vote-in-2000

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raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


So what you're saying is 9/11 was not only an inside job, but a RADICAL LEFTIST DEMOCRAT PLOT.

Nckdictator
Sep 8, 2006
Just..someone
Not Christian made but it's fairly amusing to see an episode of Columbo where Johnny Cash (A fairly well known Evangelical) plays a Christian country singer who murders his wife after she uses all his money to build a church.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse
I preferred watching christians get their persecution complex on watching the crazy church lady in the Mist.

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

BuckarooBanzai posted:

What are you talking about 90 minutes of five idiots in a plane talking about nothing was fascinating.

sheeeeeit I forgot about the new left behind movie. Watching it now. It's a movie alright. It's burying its Christianity as much as possible so far and just being a lame disaster picture, and Nic Cage's performance is impressively understated and almost naturalistic, which is hilarious considering this project seems custom made to get him to do some weird poo poo in front of a camera.

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

Stopped watching because it was the most boring goddamn movie ever and had zero bulldada appeal.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


SocketWrench posted:

I preferred watching christians get their persecution complex on watching the crazy church lady in the Mist.

~*~but she was right all aloooooooooooooooooong~*~

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

Egbert Souse
Nov 6, 2008

Here's a fairly awful "documentary" from 15-20 years ago about how the music industry is leading everyone to the devil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIQ7T-t_V4

FrostedButts
Dec 30, 2011

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

I'll see your Christian examination of He-Man and raise you a Satanic expose on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (bonus points for being offended by Michael Jackson, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSXwWZ2SFw4

Forgall
Oct 16, 2012

by Azathoth

FrostedButts posted:

I'll see your Christian examination of He-Man and raise you a Satanic expose on Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (bonus points for being offended by Michael Jackson, MC Hammer and Vanilla Ice).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSXwWZ2SFw4
I think we can all agree that Vanilla Ice is of the Devil.

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

Egbert Souse posted:

Here's a fairly awful "documentary" from 15-20 years ago about how the music industry is leading everyone to the devil:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKIQ7T-t_V4
I had to double check that this wasn't hosted by the same guy.

edit: They put a "CENSORED" bar over a woman wearing a bikini top at 6:17.

Cognac McCarthy fucked around with this message at 14:41 on May 12, 2015

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

This is the pro-est click. I love that they can't tell the difference between the heroes and villains in any of these kids' shows.

ComposerGuy
Jul 28, 2007

Conspicuous Absinthe

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

This is life changing. God I love 1980s era production design. It's what I think of any time I hear about stuff like this.

dr_rat
Jun 4, 2001

ComposerGuy posted:

This is life changing. God I love 1980s era production design. It's what I think of any time I hear about stuff like this.

Also until watching this I had no idea Vincent price was in a scooby doo thing.

IMDB credits him as Vincent VanGhoul

Awesome.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Witch Hunt was a documentary on the child Satanic abuse hysteria from a few years ago that I remember being good.

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


I'm surprised we never got a Michelle Remembers movie.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


ComposerGuy posted:

This is life changing. God I love 1980s era production design. It's what I think of any time I hear about stuff like this.
Now was there some super specific piece of hardware needed to produce those motion graphics?

RC and Moon Pie
May 5, 2011

Jack Gladney posted:

This is the pro-est click. I love that they can't tell the difference between the heroes and villains in any of these kids' shows.

The index listing of "Smurfs are zombie homosexuals" is even better than promised. Oh poo poo, Care Bears are their own religion because they shoot beams out of their bellies and encourage kids to talk to them about their problems.

BigRed0427
Mar 23, 2007

There's no one I'd rather be than me.

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

Is there anything like this being made today?

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

BigRed0427 posted:

Is there anything like this being made today?

Probably not today, and it's not the exact same thing, but I'd say the freakout over anything gay or Middle Eastern/Islamic in the early 2000s could be seen as a rough analogue.

The Satanic Panic only took hold because there was a big white conservative freakout over the collapse of inner cities and because it was clear the culture war had been lost. The guys in these videos were almost certainly kids or teenagers during the 1960s and '70s and were the squarest of squares, but with the benefit of hindsight we know that the USSR was about to collapse, that the 1990s would be the most prosperous decade in American cities, especially for white people, that violent crime would continue falling, and that The Simpsons is a good and funny show that wouldn't lead to society's imminent collapse.

The aftermath of 9/11 is the only time I can think of since then that everyone in the media lost their poo poo, but even then the prevalence of the internet meant that it was easier to get perspectives on culture and events from Europe and such, where the conservative freakout wasn't the same. The tight grip on media and information prior to the 1990s makes a big difference. I guess there are people like Christine O'Donnell who still blame thing on witches, and I'm sure there's media supporting that, but the fact that she's such an aberration at this point is pretty telling.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


BigRed0427 posted:

Is there anything like this being made today?
Well there was a lot of flipping out about Harry Potter. And the general push towards only allowing their kids to consume Christian media because even a neutral secular message is still wrong. You've got go with the Christian alternative no matter how lovely or inept it may be.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Cognac McCarthy posted:

Probably not today, and it's not the exact same thing, but I'd say the freakout over anything gay or Middle Eastern/Islamic in the early 2000s could be seen as a rough analogue.

The Satanic Panic only took hold because there was a big white conservative freakout over the collapse of inner cities and because it was clear the culture war had been lost. The guys in these videos were almost certainly kids or teenagers during the 1960s and '70s and were the squarest of squares, but with the benefit of hindsight we know that the USSR was about to collapse, that the 1990s would be the most prosperous decade in American cities, especially for white people, that violent crime would continue falling, and that The Simpsons is a good and funny show that wouldn't lead to society's imminent collapse.

The aftermath of 9/11 is the only time I can think of since then that everyone in the media lost their poo poo, but even then the prevalence of the internet meant that it was easier to get perspectives on culture and events from Europe and such, where the conservative freakout wasn't the same. The tight grip on media and information prior to the 1990s makes a big difference. I guess there are people like Christine O'Donnell who still blame thing on witches, and I'm sure there's media supporting that, but the fact that she's such an aberration at this point is pretty telling.

To this day I still can't understand how people were convinced that The Simpsons of all things, especially the seasons in the 90's, were a doom to mankind. I remember waiting in line for the South Park movie in 1999, and someone in line saying that South Park was that cartoon that's raunchier than The Simpsons, with an inflection that indicated that the Simpsons was really raunchy. Granted that was season 11, the season I consider to be the last season of the Simpsons, none were ever made after that, you can't convince me otherwise.

Cognac McCarthy
Oct 5, 2008

It's a man's game, but boys will play

Iron Crowned posted:

To this day I still can't understand how people were convinced that The Simpsons of all things, especially the seasons in the 90's, were a doom to mankind. I remember waiting in line for the South Park movie in 1999, and someone in line saying that South Park was that cartoon that's raunchier than The Simpsons, with an inflection that indicated that the Simpsons was really raunchy. Granted that was season 11, the season I consider to be the last season of the Simpsons, none were ever made after that, you can't convince me otherwise.

The opening chapters of this essay/e-book goes into a lot of detail about the context and explains it really well. It was a confluence of general cultural conservativeness, The Simpsons satirizing the exact kind of family values show that predominated at the time, and the fact that it looked a lot like a show for kids.

And yes, the last Simpsons episode ever is "Behind the Laughter", everyone knows this.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


My dad didn't want me watching The Simpsons because Bart talks back to Homer, and talking back to your dad is one of the worst things you can do. He's not really religious, it's just his weird little issue.

The Simpsons isn't really a rejection of family values, it just happens to mock dogmatic views of family values.

raditts
Feb 21, 2001

The Kwanzaa Bot is here to protect me.


BigRed0427 posted:

Is there anything like this being made today?

I remember hearing some kind of proto-podcast like 15 years ago all about how Pokemon was really crypto-satanism, but nothing since then comes to mind. I wish I could find that thing, it was hilarious.

Chocolate Teapot
May 8, 2009

Casimir Radon posted:

Well there was a lot of flipping out about Harry Potter. And the general push towards only allowing their kids to consume Christian media because even a neutral secular message is still wrong. You've got go with the Christian alternative no matter how lovely or inept it may be.

I don't think HP is "neutral" at all, but it's obvious that the most frenzied criticisms were from people who grew up to be terrified of non-religious magics and the like, instead of actual elements like the heavily critical looks at the establishment or societal caste-based divisions.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Chocolate Teapot posted:

I don't think HP is "neutral" at all, but it's obvious that the most frenzied criticisms were from people who grew up to be terrified of non-religious magics and the like, instead of actual elements like the heavily critical looks at the establishment or societal caste-based divisions.
I wasn't talking about Harry Potter there, but at the the end of the day it's still fiction. It's not presented as fact so a normal person isn't going to see any harm in it. These are the kind of people who will read something sinister into any secular media. Superheroes often have religious overtones but you know it's fiction and aren't going to start praying to Superman or something like that. It takes some serious mental gymnastics to decide that Ninja Turtles is actively pushing an agenda based on eastern mysticism, anything like that is just there to add flavor to the story. Even more ridiculous since they were invented specifically to be ridiculous. Basically these people have decided that if it isn't actively pushing a Christian message it's wrong, now go watch some loving Bibleman.

Tangents
Aug 23, 2008

Casimir Radon posted:

Superheroes often have religious overtones but you know it's fiction and aren't going to start praying to Superman or something like that.

Well, you can't be too careful.


IMB
Jan 8, 2005
How does an asshole like Bob get such a great kitchen?

Casimir Radon posted:

My dad didn't want me watching The Simpsons because Bart talks back to Homer, and talking back to your dad is one of the worst things you can do. He's not really religious, it's just his weird little issue.

The Simpsons isn't really a rejection of family values, it just happens to mock dogmatic views of family values.

I used to pull my bed in front of my bedroom door to act as a lock so i could watch the simpsons without getting in trouble. Im sure my parents thought i was beating off to jc penneys mags or something, but nope, just watchin bart

muscles like this!
Jan 17, 2005


dr_rat posted:

Also until watching this I had no idea Vincent price was in a scooby doo thing.

IMDB credits him as Vincent VanGhoul

Awesome.

That spin off was weird because they got rid of Fred and Velma but kept Daphne.

SocketWrench
Jul 8, 2012

by Fritz the Horse

Cognac McCarthy posted:

It's not strictly the same as the Christian films we talk about in this thread, but it's still pretty hilarious:

Deception of a Generation, an expose on the evil of Satanic children's toys and cartoons from the 1980s. The Satanic Panic is a fascinating thing, and I don't think there's a whiter person than Phil Phillips, who comes on screen for the first time around 3 minutes in.

I dunno which is worse, the fundie christian making poo poo up about demonic influences, or the ex 70's porn actor conducting the "interview". drat the style back then was bad

Parasol Prophet
Aug 31, 2012

We Are Best Friends Now.

Casimir Radon posted:

Well there was a lot of flipping out about Harry Potter. And the general push towards only allowing their kids to consume Christian media because even a neutral secular message is still wrong. You've got go with the Christian alternative no matter how lovely or inept it may be.

That reminds me of once mentioning to an acquaintance in high school that I was going to see the new Harry Potter movie; she said she wasn't allowed to see them and when I blinked and asked why just said "Because Harry Potter's evil." A few weeks later I got a package in the mail from her-- it was a massive Christian teen magazine and an invitation to her youth group.

I also had another friend who got some new CD for her 18th birthday (I think the soundtrack to a movie), but her parents apologized immediately that she wasn't going to be able to listen to it yet because they'd just noticed that it wasn't the 'edited' version and had to exchange it. I'm not sure if that was religion-based or not, but it still seemed to stem from the same "We have to protect you from the evil world" mindset.

Schizotek
Nov 8, 2011

I say, hey, listen to me!
Stay sane inside insanity!!!

Gils posted:

Well, you can't be too careful.


C'mon son. How did gently caress that up so bad?

gnomewife
Oct 24, 2010
My roommate and I are watching the Kirk Cameron Left Behind. It's not very good. The characters keep referring to "the Arabs" and "the Jews" as monolithic groups.

The pastor knocked over a four-foot cross with a single baseball. It's clearly particle board.

Robotnik Nudes posted:

And yet it's still worlds more entertaining than the new one


For sure. I was complaining to my roommate about how 3/4s of the film takes place on an airplane, and those scenes aren't engaging enough to be worth it. At least with Cameron's, there's momentum.

gnomewife fucked around with this message at 01:21 on May 20, 2015

Robotnik Nudes
Jul 8, 2013

AGirlWonder posted:

My roommate and I are watching the Kirk Cameron Left Behind. It's not very good. The characters keep referring to "the Arabs" and "the Jews" as monolithic groups.

The pastor knocked over a four-foot cross with a single baseball. It's clearly particle board.

And yet it's still worlds more entertaining than the new one

DStecks
Feb 6, 2012

muscles like this? posted:

That spin off was weird because they got rid of Fred and Velma but kept Daphne.

13 Ghosts of Scooby Doo was weird because it's clearly meant to be lovely, like everybody involved was just pissed to be working on Scooby Doo and 13 Ghosts is their practical joke at the expense of Hannah Barbara.

Assepoester
Jul 18, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Melman v2
Depictions of Satan in "Christian" Productions intercut with depictions of Satan in "Secular" Productions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKmdDkl_QI

Jonas Albrecht
Jun 7, 2012


Cardboard Box A posted:

Depictions of Satan in "Christian" Productions intercut with depictions of Satan in "Secular" Productions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElKmdDkl_QI

"IS THERE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY ABORTION CLINICS?"

Fantastic stuff.

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lizardman
Jun 30, 2007

by R. Guyovich
Was that a klingon playing guitar at 2:01?

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