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Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Iron Crowned posted:

Isn't that the exact plot of a Chick Tract?

It is.

I think both the Chick Tract and the film are based on the urban legend of Albert Einstein humilitating an atheist college professor.

Something I've been wondering about while reading this topic: are these Christian "propaganda" films uniquely a US phenomen or do they exist in other countries as well?

Samuel Clemens fucked around with this message at 23:45 on Jan 2, 2014

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Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Any chance to repost this.

quote:

A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist

”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.

”How old is this rock, pinhead?”

The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”

”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”

The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!

The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.

The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.

Semper Fi.
p.s. close the borders

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

BeigeJacket posted:

Has there ever been any films based on Historical Jesus? Paul Verhoeven has been trying to make one for years, but it looks doubtful that it will ever happen now.

The 1961 King of Kings spends a lot of time examining the political situation of the time. It highlights the tensions between the Roman occupants and the Jewish resistance movement in Jerusalem and shows how Jesus' teachings affected both. However, I don't know how much of it is based on actual historical research and how much is simply conjecture.

raditts posted:

Is that different from the actual musical? I've only ever seen the movie.

The musical doesn't have the framing device of travelling performers, but otherwise it ends in exactly the same way. Leaving out the resurrection makes sense thematically, since Jesus Christ Superstar approaches the Gospel story from a mostly secular perspective. It's more concerned with the human side of Jesus, his fears and doubts, than it is with his spiritual message. We never see him perform any miracles on-screen either.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Star Man posted:

And while commenting on the commercialization of Christmas, Kirk Cameron will also try to make a buck off of you.

What confuses me about this trailer is that Cameron's friend has a legitimate point about the commercialisation of Christmas diluting its true meaning, but he's apparently completely in the wrong. The whole point of the film seems to be that Christmas is awesome just the way it is and you shouldn't ruin it by criticising its capitalist elements. Which is fair enough, I guess, but doesn't strike me as very Christian.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

It's a shame that Chinese documentary just talks about someone's pet conspiracy theory because the actual history of Christianity in China is pretty interesting.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Wapole Languray posted:

Are there any blatantly christian authors other than C.S. Lewis that aren't horrible people?

Probably most Western authors before the 20th century.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Probably. After all, every character in the film is a caricature.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

There are somewhere around 300 million Evangelicals in the world. I'm sure some of them believe in climate change.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Ensign_Ricky posted:

So they're feeling oppressed by not actually being oppressed.

I can dig it.

It's basically a real-life version this Simpsons joke. Except, instead of quietly accepting that their views have become outdated, fundamentalists are desperately trying to stay relevant. That's why they fight so ferociously against LGBT rights; not because they genuinely fear that gay marriage will drat America forever, but because they know it's pretty much the last issue where the rest of the US hasn't fully left them behind yet.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Ben Hur feels like it was meant for fans of historical epics; the kind of people who went out in droves to see Gladiator. Which makes it even more bizarre that they barely advertised it at all.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Noah and Exodus were moderate successes as well, although Exodus made almost all of its money on foreign markets. Maybe Ben Hur will share a similar fate.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

DoctorG0nzo posted:

What would the rest of you think of this who saw it? Catholic film, or secular?

Both. Or neither, I suppose. The question you are putting forward is something of a false dichotomy because the catholic themes in Calvary - guilt (collective and individual), compassion, revenge, forgiveness, redemption - are themes that strongly concern secular thinkers as well. Father James' spiritual journey is important of course, but it also serves as an opportunity to portray a community slowly falling apart through resentment and self-doubt. If both religious and non-religious students can identify with the film, it's probably because we all see something of ourselves in at least one of the village's inhabitants.

I'm hesitant to reduce such a multi-faceted film to a simple statement, but Gleeson's line about integrity is what I consider the closest Calvary ever comes to a message. We all have to stand for something. Whether that something is of a religious nature or not is ultimately less important than that we try.

Incidentally, if you're interested in the child abuse cases involving the Catholic Church and the moral questions they pose, I strongly recommend the Chilean film The Club. It touches on a lot of the themes that are also present in Calvary.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Gibson's goal was to show the true extent of Christ's suffering, thereby venerating his sacrifice for humanity. I wouldn't call it showboating, though, firstly because it's not really targeted at a secular audience, and secondly because it's not meant to leave you happy and satisfied.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

I think Hundu's point is that the film's strong focus on suffering is something you tend to find in Catholicism more so than Christianity in general. Redemptive suffering is a Catholic concept, after all.

Edit: Not that there aren't plenty of other denominations who are into this sort of thing, of course.

Samuel Clemens fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Sep 11, 2016

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

ObamaPhone posted:

I like any dramas involving Catholic priests.

Cavalry especially is an excellent film because it doesn't shove Christianity down your throat.

For instance, rather than having Father James pray out loud whenever he is alone or pressuring others to ask God for answers when their faith is tested, he goes out into his community and tackles problems one-by-one using his own wits.

Based on your description, you might enjoy Roland Joffé's The Mission, in which a group of Jesuits try to establish a mission in the jungles of Paraguay, but come into conflict with official Church politics. Other interesting films with members of the Catholic clergy as main characters are The Club about a group of priests whom the Church hides from the outside world due to their sins, The Flowers of St. Francis about the challenges faced by Francis of Assisi and his religious order, and Monsieur Vincent, the biography of the priest Vincent de Paul, who dedicated himself to serving the poor.

Also, the Vatican compiled an official list of 45 great films in 1995, which isn't a bad place to start if you're interested in Christian cinema.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

I don't think that's an actual project. The IMDB link is the only reference to it I could find on the Internet. Even Cameron's website doesn't mention it.

However, I did find out that Cameron has his own brand of coffee.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

ObamaPhone posted:

I had tried to watch it several times in the past, but didn't have the patience to do it.

It's definitely a slow burn, especially the first half. If you ever get the chance, I'd strongly recommend seeing the film in an actual theatre; the landscape shots look gorgeous on a big screen.

ObamaPhone posted:

Certain parts I really did not like, especially the jovial score while the natives and colonists were cutting each other down.

I don't know if I'd call Morricone's score jovial. Uplifting, certainly, but that's rather fitting given the film's themes.

ObamaPhone posted:

Jeremy Irons never impressed me in any movie he was in.

He gives a wonderful (if very off-beat) performance in Soderbergh's Kafka.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

I don't know, I can see Silence becoming popular in church circles. It's not like these groups are fundamentally opposed to mainstream films with overtly Christian themes. Otherwise, they wouldn't have flocked to The Passion of the Christ in droves.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Shageletic posted:

I don't know, it seems altogether too complex and ambivalent to do well in evangelical circles (it has a healthy support by Catholic establishment types, though):

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/27/magazine/the-passion-of-martin-scorsese.html

I don't want to comment too much on the film's appeal since I have no idea how it will ultimately turn out, but the central theme of being persecuted for your beliefs by a hostile government plays extremely well with the Christian right in the US. I wouldn't be surprised if Silence ends up being shown a lot in Christian schools over the coming years.

ComposerGuy posted:

Passion was kind of a unique case, though, and it was still technically an indie film (Gibson financed the whole thing himself and no major studio wanted to touch it).

That's a fair point, but mainstream is usually more about appearance than funding. The Passion of the Christ certainly managed to draw in a much larger audience than most of the films discussed in this thread.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

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Ensign_Ricky posted:

On that note, I feel that there are 3 distinct subsets of Christian film

Where does Scorsese's work fit on this spectrum?

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

We're way overdue for a good adaptation of Paradise Lost.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

Ensign_Ricky posted:

Last Temptation of Christ? I figure it's somewhere between Epic and Well-Intentioned. Willem Dafoe as Christ is as harmless as John Wayne as a Legionnaire.

I was actually thinking more of Mean Streets.

Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

SocketWrench posted:

More like how, religion is like the whole show

Easy, just make it a compilation of Larry's songs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUkpE16b56g

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Samuel Clemens
Oct 4, 2013

I think we should call the Avengers.

He's saying that the Newgrounds games DStecks linked aren't very representative of American Christianity because your average middle-class church goer has a strong aversion to violent media, even if they are otherwise fine with secular fiction.

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