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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Hammer Floyd posted:

Question 5) PC vs. Mac?

First of all, :siren:DO NOT GET INTO A DISCUSSION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT PC OR MAC IS BETTER FOR RECORDING!:siren: That's an unending discussion. This thread is about the interfaces only. Very long story short? That comes down to personal preference. Some people prefer PC? Some people prefer Mac. I prefer PC. You may prefer Mac. The reason why this question is important is because some interfaces only support Mac, some interfaces are PC only. Double-check before you buy.

How about PC vs Mac (vs Linux vs iPad vs Android)?

I really don't want to get into any kind of discussion of the relative merits, but some of us are nerdy enough to do our audio in Linux, for which compatibility is a big deal, and there are starting to be semi-serious apps out there for tablets too.

For Linux, there's a community-maintained wiki page summarising compatibility (since device manufacturers don't often list this). The more general answer for both Linux and tablets seems to be "is it USB/USB 2 class compliant?", and if it is, it should work. Also, anything that has on-board DSP that you configure using specialised PC/Mac-based software will most likely not work (or will work but only as an interface without the DSP).

Maybe stuff to add to the OP?


All this aside, I own a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2, which seems to be the go-to recommendation for an entry-level, Linux-compatible interface. It works pretty well; the only caveat is that the guitar inputs don't deal well with very hot pickups. My passive (but moderately hot) pickups work fine with the gain on the interface turned right down, but there are tons of reviews out there from people with active pickups saying it doesn't work so well.

That said, the point of hot pickups is to massively overdrive an amp/pedal's preamp, and if you're plugging that much signal into a sensitive piece of audio recording gear, you might possibly be doing it wrong.

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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Radiapathy posted:

The 2i2 has terrible latency and a high noise floor. I'd recommend Roland Duo Capture EX. Has a Hi-Z input and everything else the 2i2 does, plus iPad compatibility and MIDI I/O.

Do you have some links to people who have tested this?

I don't know how to test for noise floor, but latency's hardly been terrible. I have mine running at 2ms, and push it up to 4ms if I have a lot of effects or a full DAW running. And that's on an i5 processor from like 5 years ago.

I mean, the Roland looks nice, but I don't think a throwaway statement without quantification or qualification does much to recommend it.

It also looks like the Roland doesn't work in Linux (for now -- it just needs some quirk workaround, since other than some hack they put in to circumvent default drivers in Windows it's supposedly UAC compliant).

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Radiapathy posted:

"2ms/4ms" at what sample rate and buffer size? Input/output or round-trip?

OK, you've made me go and work out how to measure RTL latency in Linux. That figure is Jack's latency, which the jack_iodelay tool I used to measure RTL latency seems to hint is only capture latency, with RTL DSP latency being three times that or something?

Anyway, using jack_iodelay, my 2i2 gets 12.763ms full RTL (headphone jack out plugged into input 1), with Jack set to 64 frames/period and 3 periods/buffer, at 48kHz. No idea offhand how that would translate to ASIO buffer size, though. At 128 frames/period (what I use when I have the DAW running), the RTL latency is 19.597 ms, which is kinda creeping into perceptible range.

Radiapathy posted:

I own the 2i2 and the Roland, and several other current models. Below are benchmark tests I did a few months ago using the RTL Utility (the tool used for raw performance testing in the DAWBench tests). This tests true round-trip latency.



Tested on the same computer with the same cables where possible, at the same sample rate and buffer settings.

I actually hear plenty of complaints about both the 2i2's poor latency and its relatively high noise floor. :shrug:

This is pretty useful, although those noise floor readings for the 2i2 seem to disagree with the results some quick Googling brought up:

http://www.harmonycentral.com/t5/Expert-Reviews/Focusrite-2i2-USB-2-0-Audio-Interface/ba-p/34645879
http://www.hifizine.com/2012/12/focusrite-scarlett-2i2/

Both talk about noise floors more in the -100dB range. I wonder how much variability there is among the units?

Radiapathy posted:

Likewise there are plenty of positive reviews out there on the Roland; my "throwaway statement" doesn't exist in a vacuum. I was only mentioning it as a price-competitive alternative to the 2i2.

The Steinberg UR22 is actually better overall in terms of specs (capable of very high sample rates), and I love mine- however there was a manufacturing defect in some of Steinberg's batches that resulted in some noise issues. Steinberg is replacing the units for free as people call in to report them, but who wants to deal with that.

Totally, I'm sure this thread will be more useful to goons the more options it discusses.

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