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Mind Loving Owl posted:So Marvel's first original contribution to Miracleman is coming out this month. Grant Morrison is doing a story so I'm cautiously optimistic. Also the other story is Allred and Milligan. That's kinda sorta huge.
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vseslav.botkin posted:Wasn't it unpublished because Moore shot it down?
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Dec 5, 2014 15:30
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redbackground posted:I honestly don't know anything about it besides it never saw print...until now! Morrison in Talking With Gods posted:I remember reading V for Vendetta and thinking, this is what I wanted to do, this is the way comics should be. One of the first things I did was go down to see Dez Skinn in London, the publisher of Warrior. I had taking this story, which was a Kid Marvelman spec script, and he bought it straight away so, again, that was a really good jump for me. Then Alan Moore had it spiked, and said it was never to be published. Thus began our slight antagonism, which has persisted until this very day. They asked me to continue Marvelman, because Moore had fallen out with everyone in the magazine, and taken away his script, and they said ‘Would you follow this up?’ And to me that was just like, oh my God – the idea of getting to do Marvelman, following Alan Moore, ‘I’m the only person in the world who’d really do this right,’ and I was well up for it. I didn’t want to do it without Moore’s permission, and I wrote to him and said, ‘They’ve asked me to do this, but obviously I really respect you work, and I wouldn’t want to mess anything up, but I don’t want anyone else to do it, and mess it up.’ And he sent me back this really weird letter, and I remember the opening of it, it said, ‘I don’t want this to sound like the softly hissed tones of a mafia hitman, but back off.’ And the letter was all, ‘but you can’t do this,’ you know, ‘we’re much more popular than you, and if you do this, your career will be over,’ and it was really quite threatening, you know, so I didn’t do it, but I ended up doing some little bit of work for Warrior. The High Priest of Glycon posted:The next time his name arose would have been, I think, around the time that my relationship with Dez Skinn and Warrior magazine was beginning to enter its down-slopes. As I remember the occasion, I was approached by Skinn with an on-spec submission from Grant Morrison, a Kid Marvelman story as I recall, which while I had nothing against the story or its author did not fit into the storyline which I was attempting to establish. Additionally, I was the author solely responsible for Marvelman’s reinvention and was as puzzled by Skinn’s actions as I’m sure Steve Moore would have been if presented with a script for a spin-off Zirk story by an untested new writer. I held none of this against Grant Morrison, and simply told Skinn to explain to him that the story didn’t fit with my plans for the character. As intimated above, I was already starting to formulate an impression of Skinn as a duplicitous and untrustworthy hustler by this point, and for all I know his initial statement (via Lance Parkin’s book) to the effect that he’d called Morrison and informed him that I’d rejected the story out of my growing possessiveness and paranoia may be, uncharacteristically, a true one, at least in as much as it may be a truthful account of the distortions that Skinn was trading in at the time. I can say with some degree of certainty, however, that Grant Morrison’s colourful account of the threatening letter which he purported to have received from me on the subject is entirely the invention of someone whose desperate need for attention is evidently bottomless.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:09
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rkajdi posted:What does it feel like to be wrong about everything? Well, looks like the original writer agrees with me.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:17
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vseslav.botkin posted:good stuff
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Dec 5, 2014 18:18
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Lurdiak posted:Well, looks like the original writer agrees with me. vseslav.botkin posted:Insanity
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Dec 5, 2014 18:21
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Flameingblack posted:You should probably seek a mental health clinic if you're finding yourself agreeing with Alan Moore often. What if I agree with him about the state of the comics industry? 
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Dec 5, 2014 18:23
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Flameingblack posted:You should probably seek a mental health clinic if you're finding yourself agreeing with Alan Moore often. You have to admit that Alan Moore saying "you'll never be as popular as me" like it matters at all seems completely insane.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:25
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it was like 30 years ago and both dudes are wacked out loons with lots of residual drug damage, so i don't know that you can really take either account as gospel.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:39
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It's right up there with the time Jack Kirby claimed Stan Lee was "crying in a corner" because Marvel was going under while he wrote FF all by himself.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:40
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reminder that Grant Morrison says that the plot of the Invisibles was related to him by aliens who abducted him in Kathmandu, and Alan Moore claims that John Constantine came into a pub and winked at him
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Dec 5, 2014 18:43
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I'm actually a little concerned that I thought so much of these loons when I was an impressionable kid. I think nerd stuff can really warp you if you're not careful, you guys.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:48
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Jack Gladney posted:I'm actually a little concerned that I thought so much of these loons when I was an impressionable kid. I think nerd stuff can really warp you if you're not careful, you guys. i mean they're also both great writers, so whatever works
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Dec 5, 2014 18:49
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Jack Gladney posted:I'm actually a little concerned that I thought so much of these loons when I was an impressionable kid. I think nerd stuff can really warp you if you're not careful, you guys. You can respect someone's writing ability while at the same time admitting that they are a bit bonkers.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:49
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Orson Welles has claimed some ridiculous things in his time and I still think he was an incredibly talented, witty, lovely man. I'd go so far as saying as it's kind of expected in the creative field for the auteurs to be kind of crazy.
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Dec 5, 2014 18:52
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Personally I just assume most people who've produced art I enjoy are far worse than I imagine. Though it is weird reading or hearing Alan Moore speak, dude usually sounds legible and normal, silly as it may be I always imagined him speaking in riddles that mostly turn out to be about fish people rape.
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Dec 5, 2014 19:04
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So, now that the annual is out, I can totally see why Morrison's story ended up as a long lost script condemned to anecdote limbo forever. It's good, there's a hint of the playfulness he'd start to get known for, and as a spec script for an hypothetical book about the rise of Johnny Bates it totally did the job and made me want to see that. However, it absolutely doesn't fit with what T.O. Writer was doing. Which, hey, maybe it's not so bad, I dunno. One thing I'm sure of is that Quesada drew the poo poo out of it. God drat.
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Dec 26, 2014 09:31
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I'm probably committing sacrilege by saying thus but were issues 11 and 12 kind of bogged down by wordiness? Mike's internal soliloquys were realllllly lengthy imo. I am looking forward to Johnny's eventual breakdown... it's going to be really bad 
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Dec 26, 2014 22:19
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ElNarez posted:So, now that the annual is out... Did this come out? I didn't get it in my pull, and I checked the shipping thread, only to not see it mentioned. EDIT: The "Foreseeable Future" shipping thread says it comes out on the 31st.
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Dec 26, 2014 22:27
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Yeah last issue said it was to be out on the 31st of December. Don't mind if its a few days early though.
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Dec 26, 2014 22:30
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Okay, so I guess my shop got it a week early. Neat!
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Dec 27, 2014 00:11
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ElNarez posted:Okay, so I guess my shop got it a week early. Neat! Yeah dude if your shop gets caught doing that they are going to get in a lot of trouble. Diamond takes the last week of the year off so they send two weeks worth of stuff out before it. Pretty much every shop gets them early but they aren't allowed to sell them until the release date.
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Dec 30, 2014 01:09
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So does Miracleman have the power to see Simpsons reruns decades early?
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:and Alan Moore claims that John Constantine came into a pub and winked at him It could have just been Sting.
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Jan 5, 2015 18:45
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NotAnArtist posted:I'm probably committing sacrilege by saying thus but were issues 11 and 12 kind of bogged down by wordiness? Mike's internal soliloquys were realllllly lengthy imo.
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Jan 5, 2015 22:36
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Well that Morrison story was utterly underwhelming. Not even the usual batshit that I usually dislike from him, but just kind of... there. But man that second story makes me want a Milligan/Allred Captain Marvel (or Shazam as I guess he's called now) comic because talking dolphins are just the kind of silliness that just plain work.
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Jan 6, 2015 00:30
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TwoPair posted:Well that Morrison story was utterly underwhelming. Not even the usual batshit that I usually dislike from him, but just kind of... there. But man that second story makes me want a Milligan/Allred Captain Marvel (or Shazam as I guess he's called now) comic because talking dolphins are just the kind of silliness that just plain work. Peter Milligan is so underrated
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Jan 6, 2015 19:29
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CapnAndy posted:Hahahaha, oh Christ. You ain't seen nothing yet. Why is this comic considered so important then? I'm sticking with this comic, but it's not blowing me over like Watchmen or Transmetropolitian did.
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Jan 6, 2015 19:41
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El Gallinero Gros posted:Peter Milligan is so underrated Nah, he's just incredibly uneven. He ranged from really damned good to really damned bad.
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Jan 6, 2015 20:16
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IUG posted:Why is this comic considered so important then? I'm sticking with this comic, but it's not blowing me over like Watchmen or Transmetropolitian did.
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Jan 6, 2015 23:06
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Uncle Boogeyman posted:reminder that Grant Morrison says that the plot of the Invisibles was related to him by aliens who abducted him in Kathmandu, and Alan Moore claims that John Constantine came into a pub and winked at him Alan Moore claims to have met Constantine on two occasions. The first went like this: quote:One day, I was in Westminster in London—this was after we had introduced the character—and I was sitting in a sandwich bar. All of a sudden, up the stairs came John Constantine. He was wearing the trenchcoat, a short cut—he looked—no, he didn't even look exactly like Sting. He looked exactly like John Constantine. He looked at me, stared me straight in the eyes, smiled, nodded almost conspiratorially, and then just walked off around the corner to the other part of the snack bar. Their second meeting, which Moore states was “a purely internal event that happened only within my mind," went like this:  Which is a little less crazy than the Kathmandu aliens and the vacuum demon summoning, you gotta admit. But then again, Jamie Delano says he passed Constantine while walking down the street outside the British Museum, but they both declined to speak to one another... 
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Jan 6, 2015 23:45
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CapnAndy posted:The prose is somewhat brilliant. You really haven't seen the half of it yet. I gotta say, I can't imagine how it feels to read Miracleman for the first time as a monthly. I'd definitely be rereading the entire mess in one go once it's all over to see all the little pieces and themes and hints... which I did anyway when I initially finished it.
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If I were a character from an Alan Moore story and I saw Alan Moore in some diner, I'd probably want to beat him to death for whatever crazy thing he probably put me through. Lurdiak posted:I gotta say, I can't imagine how it feels to read Miracleman for the first time as a monthly. I'd definitely be rereading the entire mess in one go once it's all over to see all the little pieces and themes and hints... which I did anyway when I initially finished it. I read it first from random back-issues I picked up at comic conventions in my teenage years 1993-1998 or so. I read them all out of order and have trouble remembering the order of events. I got the last two issues I had been missing on ebay in 2002. Reading it now is basically like reading it for the first time, although that is partially because it's been so long since I've seen it.
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Jan 7, 2015 04:07
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Todays issue is one of the more infamous one with the Kid Miracleman. Next months is even more so and especially since it was so hard to find for so long.
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Jan 7, 2015 16:13
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Spoilers Below posted:But then again, Jamie Delano says he passed Constantine while walking down the street outside the British Museum, but they both declined to speak to one another...
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Jan 7, 2015 20:10
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CapnAndy posted:Are we willing to entertain the "there's at least one bonde man with short-cropped hair in London" hypothesis? Because, I'm just saying.
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Jan 7, 2015 20:33
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http://www.tabula-rasa.info/AusComics/Hellblazers.html posted:When Alan Moore was writing John Constantine he met him, saw him in a café in Westminster. When I was writing him I walked past him outside the British Museum in Bloomsbury. I didn't realise I'd walked past him until I'd gone fifty yards down the road, I looked round, and he was just vanishing round the corner. So yeah, it was all very real and immediate, and the stuff I was trying to make stories out of was real and immediate. We had demons and poo poo like that, but they were mainly allegorical, comic book convention type of stuff, to a certain degree. Lately I've moved away a lot more from that. http://cultofghoul.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/jamie-delano-interview-1.html posted:We passed once on the street – in London, outside the British Museum. Each of us half-turned in vague recognition to the other, mouths parting as if to essay speech... then closing as – not finding suitable words – we both turned and walked away. 
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Jan 7, 2015 22:59
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that's nothing, i was once in line ahead of Kid Miracleman at Subway
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Jan 8, 2015 02:30
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As a heads up, Miracleman #14 has a fairly major printing error where some speech bubbles are entirely blacked out. Due to which speech bubbles they are, though, I didn't realise it was a printing error when I read it at first, and I thought there was an extent to which the scenes it affects still worked. But if you like your comics to have all the text they're supposed to have, you should know that this one does not.
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