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sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Ofaloaf posted:

Regarding the Seljuk enemy, the best method for dealing with them is sure stab the poo poo out of the Sultan, followed by kick in the heads of rebelling Seljuk vassals and stab some more and make the Turkish realms a never-ending hell of civil wars.

This man knows what's up.

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sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

D is clearly the best option here.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


New Byzantines

I vote C, many an invasion into Anatolia has been thwarted by a lucky occurence of an epidemic, I say we let the Saimids come, if they come in large numbers, we let the inhospitable terrain and disease run their course on their soldiers, if they come in small numbers we shall crush them piece by piece. As long as our troops are conserved we should allow the Saimids to send their soldiers to their deaths, should our armies be ambushed, peace can surely be achieved.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


There is one thing that the T.R.A.I.T.O.R.S. faction does get right: We definitely should seek alliances with the Western Schismatics, however our policy should be two-fold:
While we should marry into the ruling houses of the Catholics, we should also send the agents of the Black Chamber after those that are in the line of succession, to ensure the return of rightful Roman territories without (much) bloodshed. The territories of Croatia or of Italy would be prime targets for such an undertaking.
Thus freed up our troops can be turned eastward, to grab what we can in the inevitable civil Wars of the Seljuks Saimids Turks, or if need be against the deplorable Douxes and Doukessas that do not recognize the superiority of the Imperial line.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


I will support both the Roman East Directive and the Conquer Rome proposal, both are very fine proposals of our esteemed senators in the New Roman party.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


##Vote New Byzantines


##Vote Phanariotes

My family has been voting for the New Byzantines for generations and I shall not dishonour them by casting my vote any other way.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

I thank the Empress for her continuous trust in our leadership, and shall use the opportunity to propose the following new legislation:


##Propose the MArriage Ties To Expand Relations Act
The Senate shall ask the Empress to use non-inheriting members of the Imperial dynasty to forge marriage alliances with strong neighbours, such as Novgorod, Sicily or Hungary. Whenever possible she should also aim to place them in a position for the inheritance of that throne.

I am sure that all of my fellow senators will see the wisdom in this policy, and if they do not, may I point to the assistance rendered to us by the Germans during the reign of Alexios, or the support given to us by our Komnenian brothers in the Knights of Calatrava during the last wars against the Turkish Empire.
I am also sure that the Komnenians will support this rightful cause with all their energy, as what is better than a Komnenos on a throne? Two Komnenoi on two thrones!


I will also voice my support of the Mongolian Enlightenment Act:

##Sponsor The Mongolian Enlightenment Act

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013



While it is a good day when the Senate makes its proposals to the Empress, I am saddened by the ignorance of my fellow senators regarding the importance of the Marriage act, any war that we decide upon would be so much less costly if we had allies to sacrifice share our burdens. I am hopeful however, that our glorious Empress in her bountiful wisdom will take the matter under advisement, even if it was not a formal decision of the Senate.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


My personal take on the New Byzantines so far was that we would look towards the East as an area of expansion. Where the Old Romans would look to the West to recreate the old Roman Empire, the New Byzantines would aim to expand eastwards and forge a new, more Greek than Roman Empire. Having said that, taking land elsewhere when the opportunity presents itself is not something that I oppose.
So maybe, instead of splitting the party (and practically handing power over to the Old Romans), we could agree towards a policy more oriented towards the east.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


##Vote New Byzantines


##Vote Phanariotes

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


## Sponsor the Expansion of Orthodoxy Act
## Sponsor the Cosmopolitan Empire Act
## Sponsor the Evangelism Act
## Sponsor the Tri-Lingual Literacy Act

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

##Vote Byzantium

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013



I shall ##create the Cartographer's Coalition
This will be a cross-party coalition and will promote the creation of pretty borders outside of Rome. Our policies will promote conquering and redistributing land to independent states to create a maximum amount of pretty borders everywhere.
As such we will support:
- releasing new states if they create pretty borders
- returning cores if they serve the same purpose
- conquering and gifting land to others to do the same
- supporting rebels to break up ugly countries
- the destruction of any exclaves other countries may form
- the exploration of the world to make sure that pretty borders exist everywhere

We obviously oppose the permanent taking of lands that do not result in pretty borders.

The Cartographer's Coalition was founded by a group of cartographers that somehow gained access to the Byzantine Senate during its re-creation. While they were technically not allowed access, nobody was sure about it and after the first week it became too awkward to ask them to leave.
Tired of drawing the incredibly complex borders that resulted from the insanities of the feudal succession and gavelkind inheritance laws, they began lobbying the other senators to ease their burdens and begin correcting the many perceived mistakes in the international borders. To that end any means are considered permissible, and while the expansion of Rome's borders is considered secondary at best, the coalitions members fervently lobby for foreign interventions and increased funds to be diverted to expeditions to explore the unknown areas of the world.
The most influential of the founding members of the Cartographer's Coalition would end up being Amérinko Vespoútsi



I will also ##join the Hellenic Restoration

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

sniper4625 posted:

The CC advocates conquest, the Inclusionists, decidedly not. Out of curiosity, how do you reconcile this?
The Cartographer's Coalition does not see conquest of new territory as it's main goal, it is at best a measure to be taken to create better looking borders and would result in the gifting of the areas to other states. I intentionally left our position on Roman expansion vague, as I am sure the other parties will be concerned more than enough with how to expand our borders. My goal in creating the CC is to spread the gift of pretty borders to the rest of the world.

Lord Cyrahzax posted:



Ooh. An interesting coalition! Creating Romanized, Orthodox states all over the world sounds wonderful. Glorious. Yours is a mission to uplift mankind! But, where do you think our own borders should be, for maximum beauty? I would like to support restoring the traditional Eastern Roman borders, plus Italy.
Just as I said above: As a member of the CC I am not overly concerned with the Roman borders, as long as they are pretty and we avoid ugly exclaves.
I am furthermore not concerned with Romanizing the states whose borders we beautify, as we do not come as conquerors, rather as artists, if you will. The treatment of their citizens and the form of government is therefore entirely within the purview of the state in question.

On a personal note and as a member of the Hellenic Restoration, I would propose borders that are reminiscent of the Ancient Greek colonies. I do not however have a solution yet how those would translate into borders. It is of little concern anyway, as long as we forsake the true beliefs of the Greek pantheon in favour of the heathen god, we should not care about petty issues like our borders.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

NewMars posted:



Also, heathen means someone who does not follow the Christian, Muslim or Jewish faiths. :v:

oh, wow, I just thought it meant anybody not following your own religion, since I have frequently heard it used for instance in Christians vs Muslims etc.
I guess non-believers will have to do. Nevermind, Zeus will strike you all down whatever I call you! :argh:

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

The Fula Hegemony

Around the middle of the 15th century few contemporaries cared what was going on in Western Africa, as seemingly nothing had changed over there since the conversion of Ghana to Islam. Those that do cared wondered why nothing had changed, seeing as Ghana was spectacularly wealthy, with control over some of the largest gold mines in the known world and the extremely lucrative salt trade. Ghana's rulers had seemed content to just sit on their wealth and do nothing.
Unknown to nearly everybody north of the Sahel, instead of prospering in an era of stability and wealth, Ghana was slowly dying.

The end of the 14th century had seen a dramatic shift in the power balance in Western Africa, as the disparate tribes of the Fula people had been unified by a charismatic warlord and military genius to form what would later be called the Fula Hegemony. Coming to power in his home clan through a bloodless coup, Hume Sefuwa quickly began subjugating neighbouring cities and tribes, establishing a military dictatorship and dominating the Niger and its tributaries.

From this position the Hegemony has been constantly growing, and has been receiving support from the local Fula communities in its expansion.
Obviously this expansion brought the Fula into conflict with Ghana, who they have been raiding and warring against for the last twenty years. Since the Fula military relies mostly on fast hit-and-run tactics, an influence from its large nomadic population, the Ghanans have been unable to force a decisive confrontation and are now dying a death of a thousand cuts, as trade is collapsing, the production of the gold and salt mines can no longer be safely moved, and the Ghanan army is close to breaking apart.

According to Hume, he received a vision that it was his destiny to end the Muslim domination of Western Africa and bring about a revival of the traditional African faiths. While this task may not have been finished in his own lifetime, the Hegemony continues in his footsteps, slowly grinding apart the Ghanans and removing Muslim influence in the land it conquers.

in-game effects
Ghana should be severely weakened, with control over only one or two of the gold mines it traditionally starts out with
Southeast of Ghana, most of Western Africa is either outright owned by the Fula Hegemony (remove most of the uncolonised provinces) or its client states, all of which are pagan countries (maybe relocalise the reformed Sahelian faith).
The Fula Hegemony should start out as a military dictatorship (functionally similar to the theocratic governments, with rulers reigning until death, but without elections)
Techgroup for the West Africans should be Ottomans, with 125% speed and a tech level ahead of the Muslims, so that the AI has a high chance to finish of Ghana.
Ideas should be directed towards Expansion, Religion, Offensive and Quality to hopefully result in a strong land-based state that dominates Western Africa.
Maybe they could be given a +CoreCreationCost National idea, to dissuade European encroachment on them.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013



I shall ##join the Hellenic Restoration.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

ThatBasqueGuy posted:


Hellenistic Restoration


##Vote D, Hellenism

Hear me out here. This combines the best of A -- a true Roman religion for the masses of Rome -- with B --shiny new religious button that has cool influences and can be even cooler-- and C --everyone is a heathen, so no need to worry about tolerance. Besides, what do we have to lose? God hasn't really worked out for us recently, so we might as well see if Zeus favors us!

Hear Hear! This man has the right idea!
Vote D! Hellenism

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Since there is apparently no way to return to our proper traditions, I will cast my vote in favour of the established order instead of the unknown.
##Vote A

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

##Support the Patrician Philosopher

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

The foreigners from the East first nearly lead to the downfall of our great Empire and now people openly advocate emulating them?
I spit on this betrayal of our heritage, let us instead take what is good from our past and make better what was not. We have overcome the crippling weakness of city state rivalries, we have overcome the incursions of the Latins and taught them proper culture, we have overcome the menace of the doux, let us now overcome the aggression from the east.
##Support the Nostalgic Neo-classicist

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013


Name: Yohannes Seyul
Religion: Coptic Orthodox
Biography: Born as the son of a wealthy merchant from the Somali protectorate of Ethiopia, Yohannes was raised as part of the small Coptic minority of Somalia. Thanks to his father's wealth, he had access to Somali schooling and actually managed to gain entrance to the prestigious University of Mogadishu, which he graduated with a specialisation in law and mathematics. Those skills were put to good use when he entered his father's business, but Yohannes only discovered his real passion when he stepped foot on one of his father's trading ships. His subsequent travels brought him to the Roman Commonwealth, where he joined the Coptic Community in Anatolia.
Public Agenda: Yohannes seeks to apply his expertise and enthusiasm in maritime matters to a reform and expansion of the floundering Roman navy, with the aim to achieve superiority over the Mediterranean. He believes that Rome needs to take control of the Levantine and Mediterranean trade in order to truly prosper.
Secret Agenda: The one major thing that made Yohannes fall in love with ships and the sea was the thrill of the chase, the feel of rushing air while pursuing another ship and the rush of adrenaline while boarding it. While working for his father he led more than a few "hostile takeovers" of rival traders and would love to be put in command of a Roman pirate unit.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

GrabbinPeels posted:

Do I need all the expansions and stuff to test the mod out? I picked up the base game some time ago but never got all the bells and whistles.

With V2 you do not want to go without the two addons, apart from needing them for the mod, they make the entire game a whole lot better.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Let's not make an international pariah of ourselves

##Support the Prudent Diplomat

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

##Support the Semi-reputable Jurist

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Rincewind posted:

Everyone loves First Citizen/Princeps, I guess, but I imagine that everyone at the International is able to crack open a history book and see just what that implies. We've had emperors styling themselves as princeps as recently as the later Roman Commonwealth, so it's probably not going to fool anybody. :v:

Then you are obviously not doing Communism right :colbert:

And now for something completely different:
Die Montansyndikate

As the name implies, the Montansyndikate are a cooperation made up of the various trade unions of the steel-producing and -consuming industries of the German state.
Officially outlawed after the coup d'etat and beheading of the Queen, these unions have been radicalized and meet in secret, aiming to overthrow the dictatorship currently ruling the country.
While the Montansyndikate share with the Heilige Arbeiterpartei their views on political organisation (communal republicanism) and economical policy (planned economy), they could not be more different in nearly all other areas of policy.
The Montansyndikate follow a much more progressive strain of Communism than the Arbeiterpartei does: Where the Arbeiterpartei sees faith and divine providence and favour as the reason for the Habsburg's turnaround, the Montansyndikate have realized that those victories were built upon the blood shed by the oppressed soldiers, commanded by both of the Habsburg monarchies and the Byzantines. The Montansyndikate build their policy around the rejection of these false dividing lines of faith, making them strictly Atheist. Similarly, the Montansyndikate have recognized that nationalism is a drug introduced by the bourgeoisie to sow disunity between the workers of the world, which leads them to reject the false trappings of "nations" and "nationality", thus the Montansyndikate operate on a strong platform of Full Citizenship and lack the nationalistic fervor that drives the jingoists in the Arbeiterpartei. This lack of hawkish tendencies coupled with the fact that workers are always the first to be drafted into the army, their deaths fueling the machine of war and conquest, means that the majority of the syndicate's members are staunch Pacifists.
In trade policy terms, the Montansyndikate believe that trade with non-Communist nations would legitimize the bourgeois system of economic exploitation, while trade with fellow communists needs to be carefully regulated to allow each country's industrial plan to function properly, as such they are usually perceived as very protectionist.
If it was not for the common suppression by the Anarcho-Capitalists, the Arbeiterpartei and Montansyndikate would surely be at each other's throats for their doctrinal differences, but for now they are cooperating under a tenuous truce.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

##Support the Pragmatic Diplomat

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

##advise Henry IV Salian
1) invite a pretender to the Byzantine throne to court
2) kill his wife
3) marry one of your daughters to him matrilineally
4) press his claim
5) ???
6) Have translatio imperii confirmed by your new best friend the Byzantine Emperor
7) Restore the proper Rome and avert Catholicism's slide into obscurity

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

For the German liberals, you could maybe use the flag of the Reichsbanner Schwarz-Rot-Gold which was the paramilitary organisation of the SPD during the Weimar Republic in OTL:

(Obviously without the name of the Reichsbanner)

If you are going for the three-way Civil War, it would probably be a good idea if you spelled out which sides in society support which party, stuff like who has the support of the Union, where does the Church fall (I forget, did Germany stay orthodox, or did they go heretic?), things like that, so that the imagery can be a bit more distinct between the three.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Empress Theonora posted:

Marathas, Japan, and Somalia are all kind of wildcards-- Marathas and Japan don't really fit into any of the three main blocs, but they also don't have any real reason to work together (one's an absolutist monarchy, and the other is a nation whose guiding principle is cutting the heads off of monarchs with swords). On the other hand, they both have been destroyed by China repeatedly and might cooperate on that basis. Japan's options might involve an alliance of convenience with the Red Rose Pact (well, it worked for the Haida!) or trying to lead their own "liberal" bloc?
Maybe Japan could have a choice between appeasement of China and alliance building against China, where building an alliance splits into building their own faction with China's other neighbours and cooperating with the Pact.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Empress Theonora posted:

There's a few good photos there, but a lot of them are peoples' art, which I'd a.) feel weird just taking and putting in a mod without permission and b.) often wouldn't fit with the others, especially since a lot of them are just sexy Roman legion pinups. (Which, well, nothing wrong with that but it's not what I'm looking for :v: )

EDIT: I'll take a closer look when I have more time, though; being able to salvage the Rome gimmick would be nice.

Just draw some male Roman legion pinups to even the scales, everybody wins.

sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Empress Theonora posted:

Yeah, Haida and China, probably. But we'll probably have the best aircraft carriers.

Is that aircraft carrier boot shaped? :v:

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sheep-dodger
Feb 21, 2013

Considering China's size and economy, any project they throw their weight behind should be possible to perform, so I think it would make sense that the reason their navy is lagging behind isn't the inability to build one, but the inability to reach consensus on pursuing a modern naval strategy.
Maybe Chinese industrialists were so successful in capturing the Pangalist government, that a small clique of arms producers and heavy industry magnates controls their appropriation process and they jealously guard that power against any newcomer. This cabal aggressively attacks and undermines anyone that tries to break apart their monopolies and change the current system or even tries to deliver an economic challenge to them. The huge size of the military and the amount of arms and ammunition it consumes means that they are heavily invested in the status quo where nearly the entirety of the budget is under their control, so any calls for maritime expansion is a direct attack against them, as it would reduce their income and influence. That's why the Chinese navy is a sorry lot that has to make do with outdated equipment, is extremely underfunded and understaffed and unable to take on any other Great Power. Additionally, thanks to the primacy of the army, it is seen as a dead end for careers and only people that are completely subservient to the interest of that small elite of weapons manufacturers have any chance of rising through the ranks.
So the reason why the Chinese navy is a sham is institutional and a result of a captured government that is biased against the navy.

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