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Sash! posted:I loathe unions, but if this gets us closer to the NCFL, I'll back it like FDR showering Stalin with weapons.
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Don't be a baby there is nothing wrong with that position. swickles posted:I think a lot of people are equating unionizing with getting paid, and that isn't the case. Currently the NCAA unilaterally makes the rules and students have little to no recourse with any punishment they are given for violations of NCAA rules. There have been tons of documented cases of unfair and unequal treatment when players break rules. Not only does the NCAA treat schools unequally, but also the players. In fact, the NCAA is notorious for coming at a school or player even harder when they appeal. Having the players have the ability to negotiate some of these rules, and have a fair and unbiased appeal process would be a huge step towards improving the college football system. Of course the problem is that there isn't much in the way of doing a national Union as it will probably be kind of unwiedly and the fact turnover is going to rather huge (because duh), is a major factor. Though if this leads to a pruning of the various programs, it could actually make it much easier. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 20:20 on Jan 29, 2014 |
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Idiot Wind posted:What do most grad students do that "brings revenue" as teachers? They're being paid to provide the basic service that a university is involved in providing. That is explicitly the goal of having TAs teach. How is voluntary participation in extracurricular activity at all the same? If the goal of student-athletes is to make money, why the hell are they in college at all (except because, at the moment, that's the stepping stone to pro sports)? Obviously conditions should be improved, but they just shouldn't be where they are right now. Whether they're asking for pay or not, they're asking to be treated as employees, when they just aren't employees at all. They would effectively become employees though. Which they probably should be.
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Thoguh posted:D&D is leaking again. This whole discussion is basically a D&D discussion with a football shell. It can't be avoided really.
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Unless the "taxes" are 100% that isn't really that big a deal.
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Mar 27, 2014 04:20
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ryan8723 posted:You're forgetting insurance and the other expenses as a result of them being employees. Beyond like 30 schools, exactly how in the hell do you think these schools can afford this? The insurance alone will kill most programs.
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Mar 27, 2014 05:25
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ryan8723 posted:And they will get what they deserve, which is nothing. What I'm getting from most of you is that you are all perfectly okay with destroying 95% of the athletic programs in the country so long as the 5% get what is owed to them. Good job killing the dreams of a college education of loads of athletes from mid majors on down because no one can afford to pay athletes a salary because Title IX requires all athletes to be paid equally and insurance along with worker's comp eats up entire athletic budgets until they are forced to shut down. That is not what they "deserve". I am perfectly okay with destroying it. I like college football but I do not care for it so much that I am okay with exploiting the athletes. I don't think I hold anything in that high a regard.
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Mar 27, 2014 10:45
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I am going to guess competitive balance, then I am going to laugh. Edit: I saw your post, that isn't to different from now. They aren't thirty but the basic concept is the same.
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Mar 27, 2014 15:00
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Deteriorata posted:Basically, there were no standard eligibility rules of any kind. It was entirely up to individual schools and negotiation between schools when they played. So every team was responsible for doing its own detective work on every player on every team they played. That really isn't that much worse. Hell its hardly that big a deal.
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Mar 27, 2014 19:57
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Deteriorata posted:It's a big deal if you think athletes representing colleges should actually be students at those college. If you reject that notion, then there really isn't anything to argue about. Well more to the point is it worse because it is brazen? Because you could argue that right now effectively the same thing is happening now. As I assume the big deal you are saying it is has more to do with him being a ringer who isn't there for college as opposed to his age.
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Mar 27, 2014 20:30
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Deteriorata posted:Lack of control of eligibility led to the formation of conferences, first, and the NCAA, second. It was complete chaos otherwise. It was not "better" in any sense whatsoever. I am sure we are talking past each other, because I am having a similar reaction.
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Mar 27, 2014 20:38
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Breaky posted:Not sure about all of this. I could have cared less how nice the gym was when I was looking for schools. I was looking at location of the school, graduation rates and the scholarship offers I could get. It could be relevant for players but I would guess you would hit diminishing returns really quickly. It does make a good dick waving thing, so that part is probably true.
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Mar 30, 2014 03:10
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I like how he never actually says what would be bad about them unionizing.
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Volkerball posted:I know they didn't. The default rosters just say QB #12, etc all the way through. I'm wondering if, assuming they do decide to unionize, it'd be like that for every team except Northwestern, who's players would be able to sell their likenesses and have their actual names used. That would probably fall under illegal benefits. If not that could make unionzation an interesting way to lander booster money.
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Apr 7, 2014 03:09
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effectual posted:He's probably just a good ol' christian boy who thinks he doesn't deserve anything until he proves his worth (And as a corrolary, disabled/old people shouldn't get gov' assistance). There are a lot of young people now who have had "bootstraps" fed to them by their reaganite parents and mass media. Nah its seems to be a simple "I am friends with the coach and you don't go over friends heads" Which is hilarious but common thought among college athletes. Bro no matter how much you may think it, they are not your friends. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 22:48 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Gerund posted:Even beyond the 'B scabs 4 iPads' quid pro quo, the line about the former football alumni calling the current players and threatening to freeze them out of post-football employment opportunities is the most beautiful. No the last bullet point about them claiming that scholarships have nothing to do with their football skills is the best.
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