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Hi, ATC thread. So I'm wondering what exactly gets taught in ATC school about VORs. I've been flying IFR for a couple of months now, and recently had some very bizarre experiences. I spent a few months flying non-GPS planes, and on an almost daily basis I'd get told to "fly direct [some fix]." The first few times it was amusing, but then I just figured they did it out of habit and I simply said "unable, slant alpha" and they'd quickly give me a vector instead and life moved on. But one day the controller came back with "um, that's an intersection of 2 VOR airways, don't you have a VOR receiver in the aircraft?" and I was at a loss for words. Another time, (a few days ago) the ABC VOR at KABC airport was inop. I was not receiving the signal on either receiver, but there was no NOTAM saying it was down. I reported that to the tower controller after landing, and he confirmed "so just to make sure, you're not receiving the ABC approach?" That was some weird phrasing, but I didn't make much of it and just repeated what I already said but a bit more verbosely. Then he asked another (airborne) aircraft to check it out, and I kept listening on my second radio because I was curious. I heard him say something like (I am not exaggerating here) : "can you verify that ABC VOR works, another pilot reported that it doesn't, and it has like a frequency or a signal or something like that, right? " --- Reading the flight numbers thing, my airline's General Operations Manual (which is vetted by the local FAA office) specifically lays out the correct phraseology as the "casual" way (ex. thirteen oh one instead of one the zero one) vessbot fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 22, 2015 |
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The Ferret King posted:
Obscure official aircraft types, how I love thee. I currently fly the Beech 99, which is officially named the "Airliner," which I guess is a meaningful name that differentiates it among early/mid Beeches. If you're just talking about early/mid Beeches. But most of the time ATC will call me out to other planes as "traffic X o'clock, Y miles, Z thousand feet, an airliner" which is pretty hilarious to listen to as I imagine the puzzlement in the cockpit listening to this. Others will call me a King Air, which, strictly speaking is wrong, but really is about a thousand times more accurate.
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Aug 18, 2015 14:46
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Sounds like maybe PANS OPS rules for designing approaches stipulate that step down altitudes have to be below the glide slope, in which case European pilots are used to being guaranteed to comply with all step downs no matter how early they intercept the glide slope, and therefore not worry about it. That is of course not the case in the US and if international training for European pilots flying here does not include that difference, that is a huge oversight and needs to be corrected. "The approach" does not just mean the localizer and glide slope, but rather the whole procedure drawn on the approach plate, which may include many segments, the Final (I.e., glide slope) being merely one of them. In a radar environment it's common to be vectored onto a segment partway through the approach (therefore skipping some of the approach) but you're still responsible for flying the correct minimum altitude for the segment you get vectored onto and all subsequent ones. What I remember hearing about LAX is that it used to have stepdowns above the glide slope, leading leading to many busts.
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Oct 22, 2015 04:10
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xaarman posted:You can too, but didn't think regional pilots would be that interested in a Beech 400 non moving sim. That I can do aerial refueling and formation in? Sheeit. If I can have a chance at a sim that I can land on a carrier, I'd buy an airline ticket to get there. (If scummy charter pilots can go along with the scummy regional pilots)
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Jan 5, 2016 03:23
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Controllers working ground or clearance delivery: is it annoying when I ask for a clearance more than 30 minutes prior to departure time? (Assuming that I tell you that detail in the request)
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Jan 11, 2016 22:27
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MrYenko posted:I dream of one day calling overtaking Piaggio traffic to a Citation. You could have been the woman a few months ago who scolded me to slow down due to my 60 knot overtake on the 737 ahead of me. I was in a Beech 99 (pretty much, older King air)
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Feb 2, 2016 06:42
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KodiakRS posted:Heard this the other day: This is the best
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Apr 19, 2016 19:16
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The other crewmember said "let's just go ahead and give them a courtesy call anyway" 
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Jun 5, 2017 22:46
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Not many want to stick out like the sore thumb that doesn't have the street smarts to just do "what pilots do in the real world." Problem is, when all the pieces don't fit legally, we're the ones (voluntarily) left holding the bag.
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Jun 9, 2017 16:00
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There's an exception for multiple runways with centerlines separated by 1000 feet or less, I think.
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Jul 5, 2017 05:18
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Because niner and roger are in all these cool action movies when we grew up. Fife and tree are only for dorkus maximuses.
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Jul 5, 2017 20:26
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The change was years ago now, 
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Jan 15, 2018 05:33
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So is MRFAP the registration number or what?
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Jul 21, 2018 06:28
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Just, uhh..bring plenty of alcohol wipes.
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Jul 21, 2018 16:28
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If it's clear out, we deviate based on out the window. If we're IMC or at night, we deviate based on onboard radar. Roughly zero % of traffic deviates based on Nexrad. ("We" = general airline traffic) vessbot fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Sep 5, 2018 |
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Sep 5, 2018 14:42
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So ATC Memes has a "Panic vectors" sticker now, is that a real phrased used? Because if so, that's awesome.
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Nov 23, 2018 06:15
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KodiakRS posted:At some point does this get worse for you guys? I know you're already on "essential duties only" but if this thing continues are they eventually going to start cutting back staffing? I imagine that if they stop your pay we're suddenly going to see 5 hour EDCTs popping up everywhere like we did with the sequester. Too bad deicing crews wouldn't also be reduced, this combined with that would jack actual block times through the roof! e: woops it's the ATC thread! Just joking guyz 
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Jan 6, 2019 06:44
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In the AI thread I just defended the position that the goings-on today were in fact  SHUTDOWN-related because OIS listed "staffing" as the reason for the LGA ground stop and the ZDC flow and one other program. But I just realized that I'm just a pilot that checks OIS, so I'd like to be corrected with more detail if necessary. What say the ATC thread?
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Jan 25, 2019 21:53
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TangoFox posted:OIS definitely said Staffing this morning. ZDC had no peeps available to work it, and we're still feeling the effects today as people banged out on the night shifts. He's saying "never" is the baseline and comparing today's events to that baseline, to agree with you.
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Jan 26, 2019 00:28
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I always thought a "wheels up time" was just slang for EDCT, but one time they said "your EDCT is XXXX, call us in an hour for a wheels up." What's the difference?
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Jan 30, 2019 16:45
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Gotcha, so it's equivalent to saying "call to ensure your EDCT is not revised..."
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Jan 30, 2019 22:06
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Bob A Feet posted:We have radio switches on our cyclic as well as a switch near our pedals... that sounds almost as bad as different version Bonanzas that have the gear and flap knob positions reversed.... and one of them they're just 2 of a whole row of "piano keys." (What could go wrong?)Stuck mike stories, on my fist lesson as an instructor I got a stuck mike on accepting the takeoff clearance and gave the whole lesson on tower, on a busy Sunday.
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Jan 31, 2019 19:47
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I think the SBONO (Sonny Bono) into Palm Springs takes the award for most name compressed into 5 letters.
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Feb 4, 2019 03:41
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Sagebrush posted:"Tower, verify base turn approved, 34Z" You were right, guy was a dick, there's no piece of protocol that implies a landing clearance stands in place of a "I'll call your base"
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Jul 19, 2019 06:26
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I forgot which thread it was in, but I think it was this one where not too long ago the topic of fix-to-fix clearances came up, and how they don't exist anymore. Well, https://youtu.be/nC-MKCR8Z40 You're welcome.
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Aug 22, 2019 05:24
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Holy poo poo. Midway traffic, Southwest 123 takin' the active!
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Mar 17, 2020 23:39
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my friend on group chat posted:Someone said airlines are calling the TRACON for push clearances.... LMAO 
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Mar 19, 2020 13:55
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 Could get interesting at JFK tomorrow. Supposed to be operating there in the morning. Needless to say I'll be checking OIS before getting in the van.
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Mar 20, 2020 04:41
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MrYenko posted:Someone took a poo poo in a trash can, here. First I thought this was made up stuff on this comedy forum. Then I saw the second sentence and did a spittake. Good thing I'm socially distanced.
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Mar 22, 2020 03:54
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azflyboy posted:I have a question about STAR's I was hoping someone could shed some light on. Maybe enough people have been loving it up by looking at the altitude for the wrong note wrt. North vs. South flow, or the other 2 airports it serves?
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Sep 27, 2020 21:30
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It you say "noseparationservicesprovided" with each transmission then it's OK
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Nov 22, 2020 21:36
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Reztes posted:I guess what I was getting at is for some reason this person I was talking to has the impression that if he departs VFR and requests an IFR clearance in the air, it’s just a clearance, and there is no flight plan because he never filed one and like somehow he’s convinced ATC can’t file a flight plan on his behalf, only issue a clearance? §91.173 ATC clearance and flight plan required. No person may operate an aircraft in controlled airspace under IFR unless that person has— (a) Filed an IFR flight plan; and (b) Received an appropriate ATC clearance.
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MrYenko posted:Have. We have people that poo poo in the urinals. Thread title plz
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