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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
In her own book she seems as creeped out about that as anyone. It's mostly been about her looking for her folks while fighting Black Cat and being mentored at her day job by Jonah.

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
I jumped on that DC sale and got the DOOMED collection on Comixiology, actually. Am I gonna be confused if I haven't read any of Pak/Johns/Soule's Superman before this?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Eh. *makes wavy motion with flat horizontal hand*

I read the first (only?) arc of All-New Cap. It was fine, but it went a direction at the end that I felt was much less interesting than where I was expecting it to go, and the rest of the package wasn't blow-away enough to keep me. There's some decent backstory stuff about Sam and his dad and sister, and Redwing becomes a vampire-bird.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Cyphoderus posted:

What are the pros and cons between Morrison's and Snyder's runs?

Snyder is probably more what you think of as a tradtional Batman story. But while Black Mirror is amazing, it's not a good place to start as it's explicitly not Bruce Wayne. (Due to crossover bullshit, Batman is the former Nightwing, Dick Grayson in that book.)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Basically, wait til October (there's a big Civil War-style event going on right now, so none of the books will make sense to you), then just pick a book with the Avengers logo on it that has characters you like in it. It's likely going to be decent.

The break-down is like so:

All New Avengers: Flagship series, has most of the names you'd expect on the team, but some of them have new people in the role. (Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Spider-Man, Ms Marvel, Nova and Vision is the line-up). Words by Mark Waid, art by Mahmud Asrar

New Avengers: The Avengers buy AIM and try to make it a good guy endeavour. Team is Hulkling, Wiccan, Hawkeye, Sunspot, Squirrel Girl and Songbird.

Uncanny Avengers: Mixed team to promote better relations with mutants and Inhumans. Team is Steve Rogers, Spider-Man, Rogue, Quicksilver, Brother Voodoo, Human Torch, Deadpool and a mystery lady

A-Force: All lady Avengers team. Will have a rotating cast. Written by Willow Wilson of Ms Marvel fame. Main line-up seems to be Captain Marvel, She-Hulk, Nico Minoru, Dazzler, Singularity (a new character) and Medusa

Ultimates: Basically the Defenders with a new more marketable name. Black Panther, Miss America, Captain Marvel, Blue Marvel, whatever Monica Rambeau is calling herself now, and maybe Galactus.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Well, strictly speaking Waid's run just has him stop fighting the outing from Bendis' story.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

zoux posted:

Hmmm. That's how you know he was Daredevil.

Huh? It says he's NOT Daredevil right there on his sweatshirt. Are you calling his sweatshirt a liar?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
The Year One book is pretty good, and if you want what I understand is a Cliff's Notes version of Dredd, the IDW run is pretty solid, and the early issues have some good satirical black humour, like the crook that clones rich people that he's kidnapped, so he can let the families get attached to the clones, and double-blackmail them.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Senor Candle posted:

I can't tell if Willingham is saying that the “Surrender? Surrender??? You think this letter on my forehead stands for France?” line is a good example of Cap or not. How can anyone actually think that is what Captain America stands for.

People are actually considering voting for Donald Trump to be PotUS, because they think him calling Mexican immigrants rapists is showing patriotic pride. If someone thinks that's what American patriotism is, why wouldn't they want Cap to embody that?

(I think it's abhorrent too, but it's not exactly baffling if someone has a very right-wing view of the US, that they'd want the hero wearing the flag to lean that way too)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Yeah, the way some people talk, you'd think issue 1 opened with Snow White and Rose Red in full IDF gear battling snarling Palestinian caricatures. The early arcs are literally just the high concept with some basic soap opera-y melodrama mixed in. It's very enjoyable stuff for a while. Honestly, the more egregious bleeding in of Willingham's politics is with Goldilocks, who's basically just an awful parody of 'liberals'.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Know what I love? The big ol' Scott Pilgrim banner when I CAN'T BUY THE loving BOOKS because they sold the UK rights to some publishing shitlords that see digital as some sort of witchcraft. Seriously, the only 'legit' way to get those books digitally here is a dedicated app with in-app purchases for each volume. In SD and b&w.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

trashbuilder posted:

Rick and Morty is great if you like the show, and prob just ok if you don't

Lost at Sea is great and don't let Scott Pilgram color your view of BLOM cause most of what he does isn't "LOL Monkey Cheese, Video Games, GIRLS ARE HARD"

And Black Metal is the best thing if you had a metal/punk band in high school

Maybe read Scott Pilgrim again, too, buddy because that's not the books I read? I read a series about some distinctly work-in-progress 20somethings with a bit of video game inspired magical realism used to reflect the mental states and cultural context of the characters. Y'know... Kinda like Lost At Sea and Seconds?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
I'll be honest and admit I haven't finished Seconds, to be fair. I got to like chapter 4 or 5 and just haven't gone back to finish it, but the lead character seems a lot like Scott and Ramona, just more focused on her professional and social life than romance. (Full Scott Pilgrim series spoilers) Scott's whole thing is that he does the all too common thing of editing situations to make himself the victim/hero to the point of buying it himself, and Ramona is pathologically averse to relationship conflict, preferring to just move on to the next person and let that cause the break-up so she never has to actually deal with her issues. The series ends with them both realising this, and deciding to try again and maybe NOT do those things in the hope of growing as people. (as an aside, my favourite moment in the books is probably the stuff with Scott's exes, especially the brief mature conversation he has with Envy in book... 3? Where he actually wonders what the gently caress happened to them, instead of just reflexively blaming her) (I think this is why BLOM changed the original ending and because the movie skips a lot of this development in favour of the Knives stuff, it's why the ending doesn't really work for the film)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Oh, then it's Ennis.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

TwoPair posted:

I seem to remember a page or something with Spider-Man calling the Avengers jerks for not seeing through Doc Ock's bullshit, can't remember what comic it was in though.

I'm picturing a really tone deaf variant on Avengers Annual #10.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Legacy and X-Wing I think are the big ones.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Youngblood-1-Joe-Casey/dp/1582408580/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1440628115&sr=8-1&keywords=youngblood+hardcover

If your friend doesn't bludgeon you to death with it, it'll be a bonding experience. And if he does, well, at least it'll be less painful than reading it.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Opopanax posted:

This thread is a flat circle

Hey, you're right, Top Ten IS really good.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Zachack posted:


If you are desperate you could consider Anita Blake, which I assume isn't complete garbage, and Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose, which is complete garbage (please report back if you read Tarot: Witch of the Black Rose).

<:mad:> Hey! That's my gimmick! (Oh god what have i become...)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Endless Mike posted:

Well, the current run by Harvey Award Winning Humorist Chip Zdarsky is the only one that's really a detective story. And it's good! So go for it.


Did they send him the award? More importantly, has he posted video of himself carving Matt's name into it?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Nehru the Damaja posted:

Yeah I knew Axis was only a while but didn't it immediately flow into a new secret wars or something? Massive crossover events just murder my interest in following my favorite stories so I stepped out to let all that poo poo resolve itself. I'll check out the ones you mentioned. Any of the Spider-people doing anything fun?

Honestly, the Spider-line is pretty universally strong at the moment (well, I dunno about 2099, it's just about the only one I don't read.), with Spider-Woman and Silk particular stand-outs, but Spider-Gwen and ASM have both been pretty good also. Silk feels very traditional super-heroing juggled with Average Joan trials, and has one of my favourite portrayals of J Jonah Jameson as Cindy/Silk's mentor (He even likes her as a superhero and cheers for her over Spidey), and Spider-Woman feels like what it sounds like people got out of Superior Foes and Ant-Man but I didn't quite see. The preview story in the new ASM #1 was a good indicator of the tone, with a pregnant Jessica beating the crap out of a bunch of D-list villains with groceries and bitching about her friends coddling her just because she's got a bun in the oven.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
New Avengers, regular Avengers, Ultimates, Squirrel Girl and Wolverine are probably the ones I like most so far. Of course, Spider-Woman and Silk aren't out yet.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Cyphoderus posted:

I read Immortal Iron Fist and that book convinced me the heroes for hire crew (Danny Rand, Luke Cage, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, etc.) make for one of my favorite dynamics in comics. What are some other good books with these guys? I've got this on my radar already, and I know there are a couple of scattered mini-series like Daughters of the Dragon, but is any of it any good?

Daughters was good, but it's way more straight up kung-fu exploitation film than the Brubaker/Fraction stuff.

The minis with the new Power Man were pretty solid, as he has an interesting relationship with Danny and Luke. (He sort of grudgingly lets Danny mentor him and he thinks Luke is a phony because of being an Avenger and marrying a white chick)

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
There's like one direct crossover and it's 2 issues, if I recall.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
I'm kind of hoping Incorruptible gets added as the second week bonuses.

A-doy... that was today and it was the rest of Irredeemable and some more Legally-Not-Allowed-To-Be-Called-The-Avengers comics.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Then you're kind poo poo out of luck with a lot of DC collections. For royalty reasons they tend to slap a bunch of stuff the same creator did in a random collection rather than collect straight runs, at least up until a few years ago, or if the run had a very consistent creative team.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Basically yes, you've kinda gone through that period already with the Stan Lee stuff. There's also the spiritual predecessor to Spidey, which is the Marvel Adventures Spider-Man series.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
You might as well read Are You My Mother? by Bechdel, then. It's about her relationship with her mom, much like Fun Home is about her dad. It's a lot more navel-gazey in her armchair shrink tendencies, though. The parts that flowed and were most compelling for me were actually the brief sequences about her life post-coming out and her relationship with her first therapist.

Also would recommend the big collected version of her syndicated comic strip. It's quite soap opera-y, but it's neat to see her evolving as a cartoonist, both in terms of technical drawing proficiency, but also in adding nuance to her worldview and bringing it into the narrative.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Teenage Fansub posted:

Tried Valiant stuff?

Yeah, that's basically exactly Valiant.

There are, however, a ton of comics by the Big Two you can read without caring about crossovers. It broadly just involves turning off the bit of your brain that needs to know every detail. Squirrel Girl, Hellcat, Silk, Captain Marvel (so far), Spider-Woman, Wolverine, Daredevil... none of which have any major problems with you only reading that series.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Zachack posted:


Edit: was it Tarot, Witch of the Black Rose?


This both pleases and confuses me. Like... what do people imagine Tarot actually features?

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

redbackground posted:

all the boobs

True.


Endless Mike posted:

Haunted vaginas

Less than you'd think. (Also, I and Chris Sims keep pointing this out, but that's not even the silliest thing IN THAT ISSUE.)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Skwirl posted:

Don't encourage people to buy Tarot.

I am Gaz-L and I approve this message.


Lurdiak posted:

Hmm, then the Dungeons and Dragons comic is all I really have to offer.


Man, that is awful softcore porn, not fantasy or horror.

It can be two things!

Also you forgot comedy. (Sometimes even on purpose!)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
Barda and Scott guested in an arc of the pre-Nu52 Booster Gold in the latter half of that book's run. It involved time travel and Barda wrasslin' a dragon.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

X-O posted:

Check out Galacta for sure. It's a must have for Galactus fans.

This but unironically.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009
And I'd argue Siege should be read before the main mini, at least.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

hadji murad posted:

I poked the sloppy conclusion hornets nest.

Also the only good SW mini series was written by Dan Slott. Skip the rest.

I didn't even read Renew Your Vows and I know that's bullshit. Nothing that introduced a nothing villain that Slott is SURE is the Next Big Thing can be that good. Plus, Runaways, Captain Britain, Siege and X-Men '92 were all really good for different reasons. The sheer spectacle and the way Siege linked into the main book while still basically being The Night's Watch in spandex. The echoing of tone if not plot of the original Runaways. The weirdness of mashing up the MU and 2000AD in Captain Britain (plus Ewing remembering Faiza exists) and the sheer comedy that was borne from throwing a poo poo-ton of Morrison at the animated X-Men. (I liked A-Force as well, but it was, to be fair, a lot of set-up for an ongoing book that is much better, probably due to Kelly Thompson)

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

KoldPT posted:

Hello friends, I watched the Batman bin Suparman movie yesterday and that made me think I hadn't read any DC since, like, a month after the new 52.

1) Are there any really standout, exceptional post-n52 runs? I was really into Morrison's Batman, but dropped out when n52 started.

2) What about Wonder Woman? I remember people saying Rucka's run was great, at the time, but I didn't read it. Might as well ask for other good WW stories in general.

Rucka, Simone and Perez are the 3 go-tos for pre-reboot WW. Perez is a bit more interested in the mythic, and it's VERY 80s, but it's still some of the best comics you'll see and is somehow still under-rated generally. Rucka's more interested in the politics and conspiracies than Perez, but if you know Rucka, he's great at that stuff and still manages some great mythological cuts. And Simone does good work with a slightly clunky status quo that had been forced on her when Allan Heinberg and Jodi Picoult had short-yet-delayed runs that kinda fizzled.

As for now? Azzarello and Chiang's run is hailed by a lot of people, but it changes a lot of things at the core of the character, enough that it doesn't sit well with some (like me). Sensation Comics, Bombshells and Legend of Wonder Woman (the latter two are still currently running) are fantastic though. The first is an anthology featuring many different creators from Jaime Hernandez to Noelle Stevenson giving there takes on the character, and most of them are great and some are even innovative (the Stevenson-drawn story is amazing). The second is based on the poster/statue line that reimagined the DC heroines as WW2 pin-ups, and is way better than it has any right to be. Marguerite Bennett and a ton of lady artists make it a fantastic, fun, pulpy Justice League in the European theatre origin story. And Legend of Wonder Woman is the Wonder Woman Year 1-10 we never got.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

irlZaphod posted:

Yeah I'd suggest this and Pretty Deadly, it's by Kelly Sue DeConnick who writes Bitch Planet.

I'd say the bigger draw for that is Emma Rios. Lady can draw the gently caress out of dreamscape fantasy poo poo.

Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Toxxupation posted:

So I finished the first run of Ms. Marvel and fuckin' loved it, the beginning of her second has her being an avenger, should i read her avengers run?

Honestly? Yes. I know some people find it underwhelming, but it's good solid superhero team storytelling by a team that know how to do that in their sleep. Sadly it's caught up in a big old crossover right now, but it's a very good example of what a modern-style Avengers comic looks like at it's most straightforward. Kinda like watching Law & Order before you watch a show that subverts the procedural formula.

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Gaz-L
Jan 28, 2009

Mr Hootington posted:

They fall exactly where Namor and the Atlanteans fall. Being a bunch of assholes.

Pretty much. Crystal is kinda, sorta, sometimes, maybe more of a hero, but most of the royal family are jerks who aren't actively trying to gently caress over Earth, but don't particularly give a poo poo about regular humans either.

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