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The Question IRL
Jun 8, 2013

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WickedHate posted:

If Wally West didn't start out as Barry's apprentice and then grow into the role after Barry's death, is it even still Wally? What, aside from pandering, is the point of Wally's inclusion if he's nothing at all like Wally West?

My reading of that interview is that Wally is going to be brought in to become Barry's apprentice. Sure in the Pre-reboot DC, the vast majority of Wally's work as a character came after he took over the mantle of Flash. (Just like how the vast majority of Dick Grayson's character development happened after he became Nightwing.)
But you can't just introduce Wally and say "oh, he's now the Flash." The reason why it worked was he was a character who had been present for years as Kid Flash, had paid his dues and inherited the mantle.

But I do agree with E, that interview all but screams "Wally West is now black.". Presumably to line up with the new TV show.

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Jun 8, 2013

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Sentinel Red posted:

Tell me they're not making Kate Kane a vampire. Surely even DC wouldn't be *that* lame.

:ohdear:

Given how pale her skin is presented whenever she is in costume, I had long since assumed that she was a vampire. That or she was kicked into the same chemical mix as the Joker.

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Jun 8, 2013

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Teenage Fansub posted:

Here's the cover for #34, which isn't out in crazy future month.



e: Maybe Andreyko heard Albuquerque was going to do his covers and accommodated.

Then again, it's a clever cross promotion gimmick if they do a "Batwoman has to deal with a Vampire story. Will she become a member of the undead?" story in the main book, then use the 5 Year Later gap to say "Look, she's a vampire 5 years from now."

That way it seems that she's predetermined to lose in the story. Then they can do a Vince Russo Level swerve and not have her go full on vamp. (Or maybe do, but introduce a cure into it.)

Plus it involves Noctura who is an obscure, but pre-existing Batman vampire based character. Having her show up isn't the worst, most offensive move possible. It's raised my interest at least.

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Jun 8, 2013

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Superstring posted:

Now, I will admit that I am not familiar with the character of Simon Baz. I am willing to give DC the benefit of the doubt and say that they were well-meaning and genuine in their intentions. That their creation a new Muslim character was in the interests of being progressive and diverse and an acknowledgement of the growing visibility and voice of various minorities in American society. They tie him into the Green Lantern mythos, one of the oldest and most respected pillars of the DC universe. They go through all that effort.


And you're telling me his super powers don't even loving work properly part of the time!?

Short answer Yes, with an If. Long answer No, with a but.

Yes, if you you just look at the his first year or so of stories.
No he's not like that now, but he was for a period of time.

First things first, Geoff Johns had been writing GL for a long time, even pre New 52 and for whatever reason his GL titles got carte blanche immunity from the reboot the rest of the DC Universe had. This meant that John had been on the title for ages (like about 5 or so years even before the reboot)and he was going to finish up eventually. So for whatever reason he decided to be finished by issue 30 evne though it seems like he still had about 3 to 4 years of plot he wanted to get done. So the arc where Baz is introduced takes place while John is trying to do a story about the Indigo Lanterns, Hal working with Sinestro as GL's, the return of Black Hand, The Guardian's unleashing their third army AND the apperance of Volthoom, the first Lantern. And they decide that all that stuff is going to wrap up in about 18 issues.

So when Baz is introduced, Hal and Sinestro were in the middle of fighting Black Hand and sucked into a death dimension. (Their power reserve was drained and they had one chance to send their ring out to find a replacement. ) At the time, Sinestro was the one with the real ring, but since John portrayed Sinestro as the Best Green Lantern, this meant he could Homebrew the hell out of his ring and perform all sorts of mad trix with it. So Hal had a crazy Slave ring to Sinestro's Master ring (using computer terminology, not real world.) This sort of broke when the boys were stuck in the death dimension and they both got to give instructions to the ring as it sought out a new bearer. (Like "don't show up on the Guardian's Radar, don't trust authority figures, do what's right". There were a few contradictory instructions.)

Baz met the criteria, but the ring was broken, giving him garbled instruction and no training. However Baz picked up on the "The Ring can do anything" part and little else.
He uses the ring to escape custody, and helped fight bad dudes and performed a lot of cool feats along the way. But yeah his ring would occasionally crap out on him in the early days so he started carrying a back up firearm he took off some dude.

At the end of the story, Baz was fully inducted to the GL Corps and given a proper ring, so he no longer has a broken ring. (but he still carries a gun.)

One thing I will say about Baz and Geoff Johns. Say what you will about the mans writing and how he gets distracted by shiney things and his Literalism when it comes to characters, the different names/ roles he gave to the Green Lanterns is one that works.

Sure it's simplistic, but I think it does a good job of accurately distinguishing the differences between the Lanterns.
Guy is the Warrior, John is the Bridge Builder, Kyle is the Torchbearer and Baz is the Miracle Worker. The notion that because limits have been put on him all his life by others the Ring let's him overcome ALL of them and has allowed him to do Cool poo poo that others have told him are flat out impossible.

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Jun 8, 2013

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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

I'm surprised though, Morrison does extensive research on anything he wrotes but despite that he fell into the Mayincatec pitfall,

I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. Morrison depicts technology as something that has been explained to him second hand then anything with serious research. And by that I mean stuff that is easily available to research like the Internet (it's something that Barbara Gordon can just switch off when she feels like.) or Facebook (The Red Hood in his Batman and Robin run.)

The idea that he missed out on details from a nuanced subject does not surprise me.

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Jun 8, 2013

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HitTheTargets posted:

What I meant was I thought his whole backstory was a lie and the secret Aztec cult that trained him were pretenders. But now that I'm remembering his role in the Mageddon story, I think I am entirely wrong.

You are kind of both right.
Lex did fund the Aztek group and supply them with their technology, but it's not clear/expended upon if they were around before Lex came around or what.

The basic point was Lex didn't believe any of what they said and just wanted his own superhero as a way to get at Superman. But just because Lex believed that it was all fake, didn't actually make it a lie. Since a dark destroyer god in the form of Maggeddon did show up and Aztek did get to fight him (albiet in a manner that only seemed to distract him for a few seconds to allow Batman to give him the pep talk he needed.)

Funny side-note, Grant/Mark's original plan for the series if it had run all the way would have been Aztek ultimately defeating Maggeddon in an epic battle and breaking himself out of the apocalyptic chain of fate that was bound for him.

He would be lauded as one of the worlds greatest heroes and be free to completely start his own life, unburdened by what was predestined for him and could do whatever he liked.
Then almost immediately after starting his new life he would get run over by a truck. Roll credits. I get the feeling that part was more Miller than Morrison.

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Jun 8, 2013

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Baron Bifford posted:

Green Lantern question.

Every shot of Oa I've seen depicts a planet covered with highly developed cities. Who lives in these cities? If there are only 7,000 or so Lanterns and less than a dozen Guardians, who is living in these vast urban sprawls?

I initially thought that this was because the Guardian's are immortal, but they only make up the Elite ruling class of the Maltheusian race, and that maybe there was a really dark story behind this. (Like how their race is extinct, only the Immortal guardian's left alive, and out of a weird sense of Nostaligia, they have ordered that the cities of Oa are kept preserved, exactly as how they remembered them.)

But then I remembered that Oa isn't where the Guardian's are from, it's just where they operate. Their home world is somewhere else.
I think one story ran with the idea that the central city on Oa was all made of yellow material, because the Guardian's were terrified the Green Lanterns would turn on them. Which would make an empty, Yellow city a weapon to use against the Corps.

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Jun 8, 2013

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RevKrule posted:

Immigration and corporate law. He may not have to make many appearances but he does write a lot of briefs. He couldn't make it to one of the SDCC panels I went to because he was working on a case.

I remember watching some Immigration/Asylum law cases. From what I can remember, they were literally were just the lawyer reading out the case law for hours at a time. And it was almost always the same law over and over. But you had to go through the same formalities over and over again.

If Soule had to do that over and over again, I could easily see himself writing comics as a way of staying sane.

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Jun 8, 2013

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Genetic Toaster posted:

Ragdoll showed up in Batgirl and I think there was a Scandal cameo in his arc? Bane was in a bunch of Forever Evil mini-series that I didn't read. Jeannette hasn't made an appearance to my knowledge, and Deadshot is stuck in the lovely Suicide Squad series. At least he has his porn-stache back.

Those Bane Forever Evil issues were great. He dressed up as Dark Knight Returns Batman, took Talon as his Robin and rode around on a horse. It was glorious.

Also, he broke Manu Bennet's back.

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Jun 8, 2013

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The domino mask was a look she rocked when she was Black Bat from the end of the run, around the Gates of Gotham mini series.

http://www.primaryignition.com/2012/05/08/batman-gates-of-gotham-graphic-novel-review-2/

(See the second picture in that link.)

At a guess that's Wally West, Stephanie Browne Batgirl, and inexplicably Harley Quinn. It's the universe of characters Dan Dido hates.

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Jun 8, 2013

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bobkatt013 posted:

Good idea. Piss of the creature that can easily fight Superman to a standstill.

Yeah Swamp Thing, whatever you did to pick a fight with Wonder Woman, it was a dumb move.

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Jun 8, 2013

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ImpAtom posted:

No they don't. They think a hero would drat his soul if he begins murdering. This is almost universally what it is about. Every hero, including Batman, has killed in self-defense or killed when there was no other option, or so-on. The barrier is and pretty much always remains murdering, the act of killing someone who does not pose a threat.

There are undeniable people who don't like the idea of heroes killing anyone but the bulk of this conversation just boils down to "why don't superheroes murder people they have in custody to prevent future crimes?" The anti-killing morality undeniably gets pumped up but the bulk of when it is tested is "should the hero kill someone they don't have to kill."

I should say that I agree in the sense that while I don't mind heroes killing it's only in very specific circumstances and not out and out murder or executions. (That is a crucial difference. )

Of course some people do not get the distinction. Observe the number of posts about Superman killing Zod in MoS which they treat like out and out execution, but I see as a lawful killing.
And likewise on the flip side you have the Incursions in Marvel which is Planetary levels of execution, but many posters just hand wave it as "hard men making hard decisions."

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lotus circle posted:

So hey good news: they're not finger-less gloves. They're just hand-armor.



The fact that it is hand armour doesn't surprise me. When JRJr drew the Sentry, he drew him with those. I guess it's something he likes on his flying brick characters, and wanted to port it over.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue in a debate about the merits of art styles. It's something I have like no ability to parse, at all. So whenever threads feature arguments about art and art styles, I just skip past those comments.

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