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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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DC has this character. You might have heard of him. His name:



Now wiki describes Batman as this:

Wiki posted:




Batman is the secret identity of Bruce Wayne, an American billionaire, industrialist, and philanthropist. Having witnessed the murder of his parents as a child, he swore revenge on criminals, an oath tempered with the greater ideal of justice. Wayne trains himself both physically and intellectually and dons a bat-themed costume in order to fight crime.[6] Batman operates in the fictional Gotham City, assisted by various supporting characters including his crime-fighting partner, Robin, his butler Alfred Pennyworth, the police commissioner Jim Gordon, and occasionally the heroine Batgirl. He fights an assortment of villains, often referred to as the "rogues gallery," which includes the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler, Two-Face, Ra's al Ghul, Scarecrow, Poison Ivy, and Catwoman, among many others. Unlike most superheroes, he does not possess any superpowers; he makes use of intellect, detective skills, science and technology, wealth, physical prowess, martial arts skills, an indomitable will, fear, and intimidation in his continuous war on crime.


but this is likely to change as Snyder re-invents Batman's origins, we will have a Secret Origins issue coming out soon that will probably contradict Snyder's Year Zero, and this is the Nu52 where all your old characters have new origins. So if you think know Batman, think again. Or don't. You might be right. By the way was his back every broken? Who knows?

With this (lack of)knowledge, onwards to the daunting task of going through the bazillion and counting Batman titles that DC releases. What's worth reading? How can Batman be on 3 teams at once (because he is secretly Wolverine in the nu52) and what do I, personally think of each title. To make this a little bit easier for you, I will list all titles (as of February 27, 2014) and tell you just how Batman it is (1 Batman is not very Batman-y, 5 Batman is ultimate Batman-y)

So onwards

BATMAN



Writer: Scott Snyder
Artist: Greg Capullo

Previous comics:
Court of Owls
Death of the Family

What's it about :
Well this is the main backbone of the Batman line, I guess. Basically every single crossover for the Bat family has been spearheaded by the events in this comic. First Snyder introduced the Court of Owls, then he did a horror comic starring a defaced Joker. Now he is re-inventing Batman's origin for the nu52. This is probably the biggest Bat title out there.

How Batman is it: Batman Batman Batman


Detective Comics



Writer: John Layman
Artist: Aaron Lopresti

What's it about :
Honestly I haven't read in Detective Comics. Actually I haven't really read many Batman titles outside of the main one. Oops. Anyway here is a wiki:

wiki posted:

Daniel wrote and penciled the series until the "Night of the Owls" crossover, at which point Ed Benes, Julio Ferreira, and Eduardo Pansica began drawing the series for a three issue arc.[62][63] The price of Detective Comics was increased due to the addition of a backup feature starring Batman villain Two-Face, which was written by Daniel and illustrated by Syzmon Kudranski, this followed a similar backup featuring Hugo Strange.[64] Daniel left the series with issue #12 being his last as writer and the "0" issue his last as penciller.[65]

DC celebrated the first anniversary of The New 52 in September 2012 by publishing a number "0" of each original New 52 title which act as prequels to the series and reveal previously unexplained plot elements.[66] Gregg Hurwitz wrote the "0" issue.[67] Hurwitz was approached by Daniel to write the "0" issue due to Daniel's busy schedule.[68][69] To follow up on the "Night of the Owls" elements in Detective Comics, Daniel wrote Detective Comics Annual #1 which was pencilled by Romano Molenaar and inked by Sandu Florea.[70]

Following Daniel's tenure on the series, John Layman became the new writer and Jason Fabok the new artist[71] with James Tynion IV writing the backup features and Syzmon Kudranski remaining as artist for Tynion's first feature. With issue #19 of Detective Comics vol. 2, released on April 3, 2013, the series reached 900 issues as combined with the first volume of the series, and was a special oversized celebratory issue. Under Layman, the series is set to launch its first crossover, Gothtopia. Following the crossover, Layman and Fabok will move to the Batman Eternal series and Detective Comics will be taken over by Brain Buccalleto and Francis Manapul.[72]
Ha. Daniels wrote an arc.

How Batman is it: Seeing that it still focuses on Batman


Batman and ?

Writer: Peter J. Tomasi
Artist: Patrick Gleason

What's it about :
This one I have read. Initially this was titled Batman and Robin. Then something happened to Robin. And now Batman is left without a partner (but plenty of young people still want to hang out with him which isn't creepy at all). Since Robin's....disappearance from the mortal plane, Batman has been teaming up with everyone he could to try fulfill the gap left by a young precocious whippersnapper. The current (and just concluded) arc involved Batman and Two-Face teaming up. It didn't end well. Next up though, Bats teams up with Frankenstein. Maybe Frankie can down a Robin costume.

How Batman is it: Well Batman still gets top billing so, but he has to share a bit of the spotlight now with not-Robins.


Batman Eternal



Writers: Scott Snyder, James T Tynion IV, John Layman, Ray Fawkes, Tim Seeley
Artists: Jason Fabok (and others)

What's it about :
No idea. This one comes out in April. All we know is that spoiler is going to be in it. And Catwoman is a crime kingpin because....

How Batman is it: This is going to be one of those "spine-book" things so it might not just focus on Batman so....


Batwoman



Writer: er........Marc Andreyko
Artist: gently caress...er...Jason Masters

What's it about :
Ah, the original "what the gently caress DC" book. Well not really. But some poo poo did hit fan thanks to some bad DC editorializing. Anyway, without the surrounding controversy Batwoman is about Kathy Kane aka Batwoman, who just so happens to be a lesbian but still gets equal treatment in the DCU by not being allowed to marry her significant other. Besides that, this title boasted some amazing artwork by J.H.Williams III before he was told he couldn't tell the stories he wanted to anymore. I kind of stopped reading slightly before that so I have no idea what is going on now. Did she face Killer Croc yet? Did Killer Croc even appear? Is Alice around?

How Batman is it: Well there is a Bat in the title, but I don't think Bats has done much.


Batgirl

Writer: Gail Simone (aka BSSS fave)
Artist: Fernando Pasarin

What's it about :
It's about fan-favourite Batgirl. No, not the plunky Stephanie Brown. No, not that kick rear end Cassandra Cain. We are talking about Barbara Gordon. Isn't she paralyzed? Nope. Not anymore. As for the comics itself, well it won't get talked about here much unless it is about "how much I hate Gail Simone because she is the worstest and I think all her comics should be put on fire and I wouldn't save her from a falling building and....". But yea, Batgirl is around now. Also she might have killed her brother.

How Batman is it: As Batman as...Gail Simone?


Nightwing


Writer: [Cancelled]
Artist: [cancelled]

What's it about :
Life got kind of sucky for Nightwing. Initially this title was about Nightwing, former Bats' sidekick, doing his own thing. Then poo poo happened in Forever Evil, and now Nightwing's title is soon to be no more.

How Batman is it: Well he was an awesome Batman for a while


Batwing



Writer: Justin Gray, Jimmy Palmiotti
Artist: Eduardo Pansica

What's it about :
In a testament to the fact that you can put "Bat-"in a title and it will still continue, Batwing is a thing that still exists. From what I have heard the original Batwing was a man living in some made up African country who decided to end the corruption there. I assume he did because the new Batwing is Luscious Fox's son and he operate in Gotham.

How Batman is it: Well Gotham is the main area now, and he has Bat in the title...


Batman: Dark Knight

Writer: Gregg Hurwitz
Artist: Ethan Van Sciver

What's it about :
Holy poo poo. This title is still going. And I was just making jokes about Batwing above but this proves the point. Initially this was started as a vanity project for David Finch. Yes loving David Finch. Because of this title we got this:

What the hell is going on with the title now? No idea. I thought it was cancelled 3 years ago.

How Batman is it: The fact that is still around is testament to the strength and will power of Batman so it is a pretty great example of the character.


Batman '66



Writer: Jeff Parker
Artist: Various

What's it about :
Batman '66 is a loving homage to a simpler time. A time when Joker was more concerned with robbing a bake sale than removing his face and making murals out of human bodies. A time when Batman hung out in the Daytime, called everyone chum, and knew how to surf.

How Batman is it: It is either the most batman thing there is, or not violent and depressing enough


So there you have it. A shiny new Batman thread. And boo-radly is there plenty to discuss. Batman Eternity is going to hit the shelves soon. Batman Year Zero is onto its 3rd arc, Batwing and Batman: Dark Knight still exist. So discuss we must. Because like just like Batman never dies, neither does endless speculation, adulation, bitching and whining.

edit: There are several million other titles that fall under the Bat (some in the most tenuous ways ie sales reasons) but if you want to talk about Catwoman, Batman Beyond, Birds of Prey (which is still a thing)then go ahead. Also for some reason that can only be excused with the word "obsession" there is a Red Hood and the Outlaws thread. It is probably the best thread of the year, and probably should be the thread people go to to bitch about what the hell Starfire is wearing at the moment.

Madkal fucked around with this message at 22:59 on Feb 28, 2014

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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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goldenoreos posted:

I thought The Dark Knight got cancelled. Did they change their minds at the last second?

I was at the DC website and they had solicits for March. I might still be cancelled but I thought it ended years ago.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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lotus circle posted:

I'm surprised you mentioned Batman '66, but not Batman Beyond 2.0 since both are digital titles that are being printed. Particularly since Terry McGinnis is going to be introduced in nu52 during Future's End.

(Or am I the only one here who likes Batman Beyond?)


Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

If you take into account DC's grouping, there's a few titles missing from the OP: Birds of Prey, Harley Quinn, Catwoman and Red Hood.

I could list every single Bat title but if I did we would be here all day. However, I will edit the OP accordingly.

edit: OP edited right at the bottom to let people know that they can still talk about the hundred other Bat titles out there. Also to pimp the Red Hood thread.

Madkal fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Feb 28, 2014

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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In the nu52 my two cents is Snyder's run is pretty solid, and Batman and ? has been good but a tad uneven. Unless a miracle happened stay away from Dark Knight.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Chris! posted:

Thanks for the recommendations and advice guys. I will check out the rest of the Court of Owls story, then skip the Joker story in favour of going straight to Zero Year - and I'll also finish Morrison's run, finally.

When I grew up my favourite was Shadow of the Bat, written by Alan Grant and (mostly) drawn by Norm Breyfogle, plus Legends of the Dark Knight, and the regular Detective Comics and Batman books always seemed to be pretty good as well. And the Knightfall arc, which I thought was awesome at the time.

I imagine most of my fondness for all of these is rose tinted memories though...

While those were all pretty solid titles (especially Legends of the Dark Knight), I will be so freaking happy when DC finally releases this monster 90's Batman collection.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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What about Tim Drake? I actually know nothing about hi in the Nu52.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Jiro posted:

His plane crashed into the Sea of Japan. It spiraled in.

You mean he went back to his home planet right.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:

Meh, I'm so loving tired from Snyder and Zero Year. Can't we get anyone else on the book?

Nightwing on the other hand was great, Higgins really put a lot of care and work to close his story with Dick, it gonna made really dissapointing when Tynion comes next month and shits all over it.

I am quite liking Snyder's Year Zero but I assume you weren't a big fan of the latest issue.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Finally read the latest Batman and holy gently caress does Capullo draw the hell out of the comic. That was some seriously got action packed artwork.
As for the storyline, it truly feels like this is what Snyder has been ramping up towards, and it feels like this Snyder's version of No Mans Land and I am seriously pumped for the next chapter.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Know what's awesome? This comes out today. Know what you should do? Buy it.

Moench/Jones/Beatty Batman stuff was seriously some of the best ongoing Batman stuff I have read and I will beat anyone who cannot provide a valid* argument why it wasn't awesome.




*There is no valid argument.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Shameless posted:

Just got mine today and the solicit text is wrong. It stops at 535 and 520 isn't included. But, because this is DC we're talking about, they obviously made a hasty change to the back cover as it says "Collects Batman 515-519, 521-525, 527-532, 535-535". Not a typo on my part, it actually says "535-535".

Well to be fair 535 was a "1 of 1" issue so I guess it's technically correct.
Just finished reading the collection and despite the first story which kind of ends abruptly, and the chapter 6 of contagion with absolutely no context whatsoever (seriously why put that in the collection) the comics are still strong. I love the overtly decided gothic tone the comic took, with strange monstrosities, ghosts, mysteries etc. It is still one of the best takes on Batman I have ever seen, and Jones art greatly compliments the style of the stories. I hope the title sells well so the rest of the comics can see the light of day. Possible further joys include a horrific take on the Spectre (ghosts again), the Demon and Joker (horror), Man-Bat (monsters) and other great stories. Don't screw this up for me DC.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Veg posted:

:psyduck: What happened there? Who Smallville'd Bruce?

Read the comic to find out.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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ArmyOfMidgets posted:

Looks like your average Thursday on Gotham City.

Gotham really is the worst place on earth.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Kull the Conqueror posted:

I think Batman Inc. has the best Talia's ever been.

Death and the Maidens for me. I liked Inc in general but I agree with Talia's portrayel being off.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Was Taters posted:

I thought Detective was pretty today, although very much an intro issue. I'm sort of annoyed they're going back to the Bruce is pining for Damian well but I guess everyone wants a crack at that poo poo before they die.

It makes sense in the way that at his base Bruce is a character who cannot handle death very well.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Timeless Appeal posted:

See I disagree with this notion. I mean, if my mom died of cancer, nobody would fault me for doing a cancer walk every year, donating a lot of my money to research, or, if I was a doctor, dedicating myself to eradicating cancer. There's nothing wrong with someone's reaction to a bad thing being "I'll make sure this doesn't happen again." Yeah, the idea of an eight year-old losing his parents and going, "Alright. It's decided. I'll dedicate myself to eradicating crime" is crazy, but it's comic book crazy. It's rooted in emotions that make sense and have never seemed disproportionately unhealthy outside of takes that depict Bruce in arrested development.

I haven't read Eternal yet as I am a long way from home so I can't comment on it just yet. In regards to this though, at its basis Batman is someone who would use his vast amounts of wealth to dress up and beat up insane people when he could use that money to making Gotham not a poo poo hole. I am okay with this though because comics.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Joe Fisto posted:

Got this in the mail from Jonathan Case:



I met Case at a con a few years back before 66 started and no-one knew who he was. Had a chat with the guy and he was really friendly. Glad he is getting some recognition now and some success.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Read the first 2 issues of Eternal and while I generally enjoyed it, between this and Gotham Year Zero I am getting a bit tired of Gotham getting destroyed beyond repair during every event. It's looking like Gotham goes through a No Man's Land every 2 weeks or so now.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Trast posted:

Gotham is basically Godzilla-style Tokyo?

It sure seems like it. I would love Batman and Superman to do an exchange for a day. Batman goes to Metropolis and is bored out of his mind and Superman goes to Gotham and has to stop the city from being destroyed every half hour.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Batman this week (past week? Shut up I work Wednesdays) was awesome, and answers the old question who would win a fight between Batman and 3 lions. Seriously this was an awesome chapter and I am looking forward t the ending more and more now. Capullo's artwork continues to knock it out, and the colour choices actually makes me appreciate coloured artwork more than I usually do.

I am also quite enjoying Batman: Eternal as the story seems to be used as an excuse to explore the Batman world which is always nice. Also nice is that there doesn't seem to be any tie-ins at the moment. Hopefully that continues. The writers are doing a good job introducing some plotlines and hopefully these will be explored fully and given room to breathe.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Death of the Family works if you consider it a gothic horror story, filled with gore and over-the-top melodrama. Your milage can range from there.
As for the changes, I am sad that they took out the Joker's flirting. DotF really tried to drive home the point that Batman and the Joker were in some kind of twisted relationship and needed each other. At least that was the Joker's point.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Batman Eternal #11 is probably the most Morrisoniest non Morrison Batman story you will see. If people were a fan of Batman Inc, especially with Burnam's artwork I suggest picking it up. The artwork is great and weird in it's own right and while it probably won't work for all (especially if you don't like lumpy characters) it is a pretty sweet change from the house style. The storyline itself seems to be in the filler stage without really moving the story forward too much. The thing about weeklies is that the probably read a lot better in trade form where the bigger picture can be seen, instead of weekly installments.
As for Batman and ?, well Ra's got a rightful beat down. So there was that.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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TwoPair posted:

Man, Gotham Academy looks really interesting and I look forward to buying all ten issues before it gets canned.

It will either get canned or get a creative overhaul when the people in charge decide that they don't like the light-hearted tone of the book and decide the creators off the book and replace them with someone to make it more "edgey and dark".

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Trier posted:

Is this the thread for asking about Harley Quinn comics recommendations, or should I go to the general recommendations thread?

If this is the right place, then Hello. I'm interested in exploring Harley more as a character, and I see the New 52 provided a visual re-design of her and assigned her to some sort of squad of other villains and then she broke off and now she has a solo series.

Are either of those two good? If not, are there any older series about her that are worth reading?

Batman: Mad Love is always a good place to start with Harley.
Her current series is more humour based with very very little in way of characterization. If you want to see her be violently ditzy (which isn't as bad as it sounds) then the current stuff is for you, but if you want something deeper best look elsewhere.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Sentinel Red posted:

"She’s leaving it all behind her. We really wanted to make this a book with a light tone, of fun and adventure and mystery, and let the rest of the Bat-family deal with the darkness"

This is a New52 title? Does not compute. New outfit's great, though.

Can we take a deadpool on when the creators will be suddenly replaced without any warning?* Remember even if there are solicitations, that won't stop anything, or DC can say that the creators were only supposed to do 3 issues anyway like they did with Kots.


*I will try remain optimistic but I will believe this fully if the run lasts longer than 3 issues.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Batgirl herself looks like Steph (ie younger/high schooler) than what has been established for Barbara. I wonder if this was initially a pitch for Steph/Batgirl and DC said sure, but you can't use Steph for Batgirl. With Steph appearing in Batman: Eternal it seems strange that the new design isn't for her even though it looks perfectly suited for her.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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I'm love the "leather jacket NOT spandex" line with the busty chest. This is a move in the right direction.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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From the MTV interview:

Barbara is forced to make a new costume for herself when her old one becomes unavailable. The new one is something she’s able to make herself, shopping at the various boutique and vintage stores in Burnside. It also reflects her youth and style.

gently caress the haters. Costume looks good and practical.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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I'm enjoying Eternal well enough as it has a few interesting storylines going on and in focusing on interesting characters too. So far it is pretty solid.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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I also recommend picking up Batman by Moench and Jones. The first volume collecting their stuff came out recently and it's pretty awesome.
Also Morrison's run is really really really worth picking up.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Again on Miller's Batman, if you was a surreal insane WTF reading, go for All Star Batman and Robin the Boy Wonder. If you treat it as an over the top comedy you might even enjoy it. Or hate it.
Also, while it is not about Batman I really recommend Gotham Central. Basically a police procedural that takes place in Gotham. It was really really really well written and worth picking up to see how the cops deal with the villains in and life in general in Gotham City.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Pope Corky the IX posted:

Wait...Miller was critical of Reagan's America? I thought he was always a right-wing nutjob and 9/11 just sent him over the edge.

And I'll definitely check out 'Gotham Central'

Miller's mind kind of snapped about 9/11 but he never really came across as a right wing nut job in the 80's/90's.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Rirse posted:

There is a giant Batman sale on Comixology right now for a week. 750 issues from various books are on sale.

I was going to post about this last night but I got lazy.
Anyway which batman comics are worth getting from this sale that have never been collected?

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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If we are talking about classic Batman stories we dislike, I am throwing in Batman: Arkham Asylum by Morrison in there. I remember hearing how amazing it is for year and years and then I read (well tried to read - I put it down after getting half way through) and it just felt terrible, like something some philosophy student would write without any awareness of story, or structure, or how human being interact. The only thing that could have made it worst is if the characters started quoting philosophers for dialog, which is what I kept expecting to see.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Pope Corky the IX posted:

So I like having the actual physical books on my shelf if I think it's good enough, especially if it's a story collected in trade. What are some shorter arcs, single issues, "not good enough to collect in trade" Batmen that folks could recommend that I grab from this sale?

Reminder: Not a real fan of stories that involve non-Gotham superheroes or the more absurd extraterrestrial or supernatural stuff. My favorites are Year One, Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Killing Joke, Arkham Asylym: A Serious House on a Serious Earth, Death of the Family, etc.

I know that Blades is part of the sale. It is Legends of the Dark Knight #32, 33, 34 and it is excellent. It's got great artwork by Tim Sale, and a solid, sad story by Robinson. Really worth picking up.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Teenage Fansub posted:

It might be best to pluck short arcs out of the long-running anthology series, Legends of The Dark Knight. Many of which haven't been collected.
This might help http://comicsalliance.com/10-best-legends-of-the-dark-knight-stories-batman-dc/

It mentions Terminus. That was a great one and done. This list is legit.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Just reread batman: going sane about the Joker trying to lead a normal life after killing Batman and I forgot how sad the whole story is. I really recommend it for fans of the Joker and Batman and as luck has it it's part of the big Comixology sale.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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I finished reading City of Crime (thanks cheap rear end Comixology sale) and it was as awesome as everyone says. It also blows my mind about how many secret organisations have been set up in Gotham. Black Glove, Owls, the Body etc. I pretty good idea for a comic would be something like a secret war between all the secret societies in Gotham trying to become the one secret society that secretly controls Gotham City. Secret.

Has the Body come up in anything else since City of Crime?

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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Rirse posted:

The big Batman sale is over, but now there is a sale for Robin that lasts a week. Nice thing about this sale is the absent Batman Inc and Batman & Robin are on sale now.

Bah. Only 11 issues of Tim Drake. I want Dixon's entire run.

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Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

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In case you weren't completely sold on the new Batgirl team, this interview will do it for you.

Choice quote:

Cameron Stewart posted:


I was not particularly interested in creatively in doing a dark, grim story with Batgirl. I wanted to do something that was light and fun and sort of consistent to the way that Batgirl has been portrayed for almost fifty years in all kinds of other media.

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