All-New X-Thread: More time travel shenanigans ITT

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HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

MY ABACUS! posted:

What were old Jean's character traits? All I can remember is her being the designated sexual conquest and turning into the Phoenix.

Being meek.

Later adaptations like First Class tried to give her a sassy personality but it doesn't really work.

She's just kind of...there.

e: basically she doesn't really get interesting until she's possessed by the Phoenix and turns into a bit of an egomaniac.

HIJK fucked around with this message at 17:23 on Dec 22, 2015

# ¿ Dec 22, 2015 17:21

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 10:00

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Stagger_Lee posted:

My favorite Jean Grey moment is when she and Scott finally hook up in the run up to Dark Phoenix. Scott's spent a decade convinced he can never know love because of the dangers of his awesome power and Jean just sort of turns his power off for him and flies him up onto a mesa or whatever for make-outs. It was both dark and kind of sweet, and an interesting look at the way gender politics of kiddie comics are effected by relative power level.

It was also probably a fetish for Claremont, but you know.

Claremont also did spend a little time developing the friendship between Jean and Storm in those backup stories they inserted when they were reprinting earlier Uncanny issues in the late 80s. But obviously she never got as developed as Storm did during that time, being dead.

Okay so I just started reading X-Men comics about a month ago and people keep talking about Claremont's fetishes and I kind of want to Google to find out what they mean...but I'm also afraid of what I'll find. Can someone explain this to me. Thanks in advance.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2015 18:32

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Aphrodite posted:

He likes bondage and people getting turned into babies.

Haven't gotten to much of that yet. Not sure if I want to now.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2015 18:38

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Wheat Loaf posted:

The apotheosis of Claremont putting his fetishes in his X-Men comics is the "Storm: The Arena" storyline from X-Treme X-Men, which was published simultaneously with Morrison's run on NXM in the early 2000s (I know this, because they were both being reprinted in the same X-Men magazine in the UK).

It starts when Storm goes undercover as a competitor in illegaly underground mutant gladiatorial fights in Madripoor to break up a mutant trafficking ring. Everyone is a transvestite. The main villain is Masque, an old Morlock character whose power was to reshape human flesh, and has now reshaped himself into Marilyn Monroe. His minions all wear gimp suits and have BDSM as their mutant power; one skewers you with her claws and causes you to have orgasms while the other had a gas mask and some kind of electric whip which also caused you to have orgasms when they hit you (but I think the conceit was that the former was "pleasure so intense it becomes painful" and vice versa). She also runs into Callisto, and learns that Masque has replaced her arms with writhing tentacles like something out of a hentai anime. In the end, the overall bad guy who was running the slave racket gets clean away and is never heard from again.

Here is a sample. Probably NSFW.

This storyline made a big impression on me (because I was maybe 14 when I read it and hadn't read many comics with sex in them) and for a long time prejudiced me against Claremont.

I -- wow. That is something. :stonklol:

Wanderer posted:

We were just talking about him in the "poo poo That Actually Happened" thread about weird comics.

There are certain themes that show up pretty regularly in his work, such as mind control, forced transformation, body horror, and various kinds of bondage. Some are admittedly intrinsic to the superhero genre, especially in the '70s and '80s (superheroes and their supporting characters are just gonna get knocked out and chained up by a villain now and again, and that's all there is to it), but later in his career, things got super weird.

Claremont comes out of a rich tradition of the professional sf writer using his work to share way too much about himself, and as a result, it's aged somewhat poorly. 90% of his work, especially early on, is a superhero-flavored version of Robert Heinlein's "juveniles," the science-fiction books aimed at a younger audience, and like Heinlein, he does a headlong dive into what, for a modern reader, can be some pretty uncomfortable territory. He's still one of the single most foundational authors in modern comic-book history, but yeah, he's weird.

If nothing else, though, you should at least read his work with Byrne and Cockrum.

I'll have to check that thread out. That....that is some crazy stuff to unpack. I'll finish his Uncanny run, but this'll be interesting to keep in mind. I just finished the Dark Phoenix story (surprising how short it is compared to how drawn out comic books are these days) and it really is a great tale so I can tell he's worth sticking with. But geez, what is it about genre storytelling that brings these people out, sheesh.

# ¿ Dec 23, 2015 21:02

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

WickedHate posted:

A powerful psychic was thinking about their sibling, you see.

That is pretty yikes, this poo poo must be like. Crack.

# ¿ Dec 24, 2015 02:26

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Bedtime Stories posted:

As a DC fanboy who's read X-titles pretty consistently for about two years now, I had the wild thought last week of "Gee, maybe I should maybe understand what the gently caress", so I've started playing catch up. I've read Schism, started AvX today, and have House of M/Messiah Complex/Second Coming all ordered from Amazon. Am I missing anything Earth-shattering?

Also, as the reader, am I supposed to like Cyclops....at all?

Cyclops is very difficult to like and largely depends on how much you can relate to his lovely circumstances.

# ¿ Jan 13, 2016 16:27

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Yvonmukluk posted:

Marvel already took it down.

oh my god. why does marvel hate good things.

# ¿ Jan 21, 2016 00:46

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Lurdiak posted:

They're owned by Disney, dude. It doesn't get more litigious than that.

gently caress YOU MICKEY

# ¿ Jan 21, 2016 00:49

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Red posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXx0pk9EthI

At least we still have JL8.

At least the softcore porn is safe and that 100% innocent youtube series is gone.

gently caress you Marvel, gently caress you Disney.

# ¿ Jan 25, 2016 20:19

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

I hope Disney buys out Fox and kicks those execs in the teeth. Give me my X-Men goddammit.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2016 19:20

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Cocks Cable posted:

I some how doubt all of this can be pinned on just one bad guy (Perlmutter). I'm willing to bet that the next guy to take over would likely follow the same strategy. Because from a marketing and brand synergy standpoint, it makes some sense from a purely profit driven mindset. Why promote properties that you can't monetize in movie form? It doesn't really hurt to add Wolverine/Storm/Cylops to some Marvel themed skinner box game, but it doesn't help either. Movie characters and characters they have potential movie rights for will always take priority and there is an endless supply of them to introduce to the general public. Disney is going to play the long game of slowly weening fans off X-Men/FF and more towards Avengers/Spiderman brand characters starting with non-comic mass market products.

I'm just not sure how effective this will be since the Inhumans are the most uninteresting characters I've read in a long time.

# ¿ Jan 28, 2016 23:57

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

TFAW says that it's due out on March 30th: http://www.tfaw.com/Comics/Profile/X-Men-92-1___496124

# ¿ Jan 30, 2016 00:25

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Squizzle posted:

David Haller's tiniest personality.

But you know how in the year 3863, the (sit-on-your-)fascist Swinger Tyrants, in an effort to kill the last remaining monogs, will release a plague whose only treatment is promiscuous sex? And how a team of science-rebels at the Matrimonyiat manage to re-engineer the plague to actually infect others via bodily fluids contact? And how they then launch their new anti-sex disease through a time-hole, to prevent the Swingers from ever rising to power?

You know, the history of how HIV came to exist.

The Legacy virus is basically that, but in a mutants-as-gay-folks metaphor and much more awkward. It caused mutant powers to run out of control until they burnt out the infected mutant. It was mutant-only, until some mutant's mutant power accidentally mutated it to infect non-mutants. It transmitted easily, and was airborne. So HIV, but actually Gay Only and you could catch it by breathing gay air but only if you were yourself gay, including closeted—that is, until some lesbian's homosexual quirks caused it to also infect the straights!!!!! Also it was made by Stryfe, a clone of Rightclops's and JEEEEAAAAAN's son who grew up in the future when all spelling conventions have been abandoned.

It was a bad thing and probably best forgotten, except to mock everyone involved.

Why.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2016 01:50

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Lurdiak posted:

Bendis did a lot of gags with the original x-men that doesn't really work with how old Marvel insists the X-men actually are. They'd be from 1999 at the latest. But Bendis sorta wrote them like they were from the 80s or earlier.

So, Bendis wrote them to be as old as he is because anything else would be too difficult?

# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 16:05

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

I'm not so sure that Marvel knows what to do with the X-Men. Which seems ridiculous but there you are.

# ¿ Feb 12, 2016 21:59

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

All New X-Men was enjoyable today, Scott being backed into a corner was very good! Hopefully things will improve for this book? :smith:

# ¿ Mar 31, 2016 02:02

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

twistedmentat posted:

So in the cold open for the most recent Jay & Miles they have Lemeire tell them what Cyclops did, though its all bleeped out, it had something to do with Scott, Emma and Magneto, which would explain why we haven't seen Emma either. Though I wonder if there are any clues in Uncanny.

Oh...I just figured that was something completely made up as misdirection. Greg Rucka did something similar in his cold open I thought.

# ¿ Apr 12, 2016 01:18

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

She was also an alcoholic who flew threw several buildings under the influence. And she got raped and impregnated by a cosmic being at one point while everyone laughed.

That's all I know about Carol.

# ¿ Jun 2, 2016 00:06

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Out of all the things to trace....why trace porn? It has no connection to anything.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2016 04:10

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

JoshTheStampede posted:

It's the easiest source of hot women making excited faces.

He also isn't ashamed of the tracing thing (though he doesn't admit to the porn), he's written like "how to draw the Greg land way" stuff that literally says "find your source pic, slap it on the lightbox and trace then add your details"

That's the stupidest thing. I can't imagine being so vacuous that tracing is something to be smug about.

# ¿ Jun 20, 2016 04:26

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

I mean supposedly the Inhumans let loose a plague that targeted mutants and resulted in a lot of mass death (right?) so I can understand Scott getting ticked off.

I need to catch up on X-Men, god.

# ¿ Jun 23, 2016 08:58

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

.thanks a lot mobile

# ¿ Jun 23, 2016 08:58

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

JoshTheStampede posted:

Yeah, I know. It being a different Xorn who incidentally looks and sounds and acts exactly like the first one was their bullshit explanation to keep him around. Morrison's big reveal was "AHA XORN IS REALLY MAGNETO" but then like 3 months later it was "NO ACTUALLY IT WAS NEITHER XORN NOR MAGNETO BUT A DIFFERENT IDENTICAL XORN PRETENDING TO BE MAGNETO PRETENDING TO BE XORN ALSO MAGNETO IS ALIVE"

# ¿ Jan 16, 2017 07:28

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Being able to return items is a pretty important part of the purchasing cycle, I understand that they need to hold on to their money but geez.

# ¿ Mar 20, 2017 22:33

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

These new comics are going to suck aren't they.

# ¿ Mar 24, 2017 18:14

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

Rhyno posted:

Since when?

Ever since Luke Cage owned him in his own castle.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2017 21:49

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# ¿ May 14, 2024 10:00

HIJK: Nov 25, 2012; in the room where you sleep

It's like how Terry Pratchett created the Time Monks and had them fiddle with the flow of time to explain all the little discrepencies between Discworld books and it was funny and inventive and interesting and then Marvel did it and made it unfunny and not clever at all.

# ¿ Mar 29, 2017 21:32

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