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Okay, so apparently some GNOME sultan or whatever is posting in this thread. I have used Debian on various laptops for ten years now, but when I got a desktop for playing games and watching free porn I decided to install Ubuntu to cut down on the CJing. It's OK. I replaced Unity with GNOME and it got a little more OK I guess. HOWEVER I would never be able to use this poo poo on my work machine. It's nice that so many things just work, but is there a way to put a tiling window manager in GNOME without losing all the other nice things like automounting and whatever CJ stuff I don't really care about anymore? Manual window management sucks rear end (also WTF does GNOME terminal capture terminal shortcuts like ALT-b/ALT-f instead of passing them to the shell?).
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Why would you ever ever ever run a GUI on a server? Retarded. Fedora on Desktop trip report: everything worked out of the box. Installing the Nvidia drivers (via yum) caused a kernel update, but it neglected to automatically install the 8MiB package with extra drivers (including the sound card drivers) along with the base 30MiB kernel package. So I suddenly had no sound. It's good to be home.
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Feb 15, 2015 10:13
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Symbolic Butt posted:nah I'm not yospos smart like that, it's a way smaller company (mandriva) What do they do there? Also, what OS does Apple use in their data centres?
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Mar 2, 2015 20:19
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Okay, I got me a DisplayPort 3-way splitter because I want to connect multiple monitors to my laptop so I can have the ultimate desktop Linux experience. But, it is only supported in some much newer kernel than available on my Debian system. Guess it's time to put on my janitor's hat. This guy also mentions some horrible things about BIOS updates, but I hope it won't come to that.
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Mar 9, 2015 08:18
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SYSV Fanfic posted:Sometimes the easiest and most janitoring thing to do is to compile the latest kernel source. It isn't hard, and if you haven't done it before really gives you a leg up on your linux skills. I used Gentoo for four years when I was a teenager. Using a source distribution is just like puberty.
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Mar 9, 2015 13:52
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So how does Vulkan relate to OpenCL? Are the APIs going to be similar? OpenCL seems okay (although it's very cumbersome to use manually as you have to specify everything), although it is at times a bit silly how it bends over backwards to pretend you're not just programming a GPU, but rather some general "accelerator". Or are we supposed to use Vulkan for doing computations on GPUs now?
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Mar 11, 2015 16:20
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Also, major  s at Nvidia's OpenGL implementation overriding dlsym/dlopen for the entire process.
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Mar 11, 2015 16:28
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So if I like the many things that Just Work (kind of) in Fedora/GNOME, but really want a tiling window manager for work (I currently use xmonad), what are my options? Don't get me wrong, manually mounting USB sticks is cool and all and fidgeting around with xrandr and arandr whenever I attach monitors makes me feel manly, but maybe I should give another way a try.
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Mar 18, 2015 17:30
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:kde doesn't really care what your window manager is Maybe I will try it out, but it is not nearly as nice as GNOME. I have Emacs and the terminal for when I just want things to have tons of features and power. So what's the best distribution on which to run KDE?
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Mar 18, 2015 21:39
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The short list of operating systems where when you install something (like a package containing a server program), it doesn't automatically start it, and it especially doesn't make it start on every boot forever: Fedora OpenBSD What can we learn from this list? That there are very few good operating systems. Seriously, why the gently caress does Debian assume that just because I install buttd, I want to run it immediately with the default configuration, and on every subsequent boot? It doesn't loving do that for non-server programs, now does it?
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Mar 20, 2015 20:04
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Just did 'aptitude install mysql-server' on Debian testing and now I have mysqld and mysqld_safe (???) running. It didn't ask whether I wanted to fart it up immediately, nor did it even tell me. Fedora wins again (seriously how do you get this poo poo wrong?)
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Mar 20, 2015 21:32
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SYSV Fanfic posted:This is the desktop thread. No one gives a poo poo about your server poo poo neck beardo. I was originally annoyed at Bitlbee for this I think, which is a desktop IM client for desktop neckbeards. For the past few days I have been janitoring a server that runs Kubuntu. Is that appropriate for a desktop thread?
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Mar 20, 2015 21:54
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I can report Debian on the ThinkPad X250 as a very needs suiting laptop for hacking. I only had to apply one kernel patch and compile and install one Xorg video driver from Git.
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Apr 3, 2015 12:44
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compuserved posted:what did you have to do specifically? looking to get a thinkpad soon and i'm wondering if i'll run into this Most of what you want to know is here. The Linux kernel stuff is here, and if you want multi-stream transport (several monitors on the same Displayport, e.g. for a dock), you need to download this driver, compile it, and install it as /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/intel_drv.so. If you do this while Xorg is already running, Xorg will crash, but that's OK.
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Apr 4, 2015 07:46
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Should I install Pulseaudio on my Debian laptop? I do not currently have any problems with audio at all.
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Apr 10, 2015 09:20
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I run Fedora on my gaming desktop, on which sound also works. This is not the Linux experience I am used to. Good thing I also have an OpenBSD server.
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Apr 10, 2015 10:25
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So what is the advantage of NetworkManager over wpa_supplicant with wpa_gui? It even has a tray icon. And it's all the same lovely drivers underneath. The only problem I have with wpa_supplicant is that it is sometimes really stupid/lazy about telling the DHCP client that it should try to get a new IP address since the connection just changed.
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Apr 10, 2015 18:34
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Can I buy one of these things and have it sent to my decadent northern European socialist paradise? It sounds like something I would want to play with (and the money would go to something good, so I would not mind paying a premium).
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Apr 14, 2015 18:00
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Did I seriously just see Tuxracer in the video on the Kickstarter page?
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Apr 14, 2015 18:03
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Or is that Tuxkart?
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Apr 14, 2015 18:13
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prefect posted:if i read (skimmed) that correctly, you said that somebody has code on their machine that they won't release, and towards the end of the article he basically admits he has code he won't release, because it's ugly and bad To be honest, in the open source environment it is weird to use "tainted" for anything but license-related issues, which seemed to cause a bunch of confusion.
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Apr 24, 2015 12:52
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Suspicious Dish posted:availability in early boot Not trolling: why is this necessary and what is the current workaround? To me, early boot sounds like something that should change basically never, so even if you have to put in a lot of extra effort, that's OK, if it saves on complexity in the overall design.
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Apr 28, 2015 20:12
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Mr Dog posted:early boot requires ipc just like everything else does. by "early boot" we mean initramfs. this typically runs systemd, which then launches enough services to make / mountable, then pivots root to the real root and passes control to the real systemd. this process is run in reverse for system shutdown. Why does this need IPC?
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Apr 28, 2015 20:18
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Mr Dog posted:why does anything need ipc man No, I mean, IPC is useful when you have loosely coupled changing components and all that jazz, but early boot and shutdown seems like pretty solid unchanging processes, is all.
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Apr 28, 2015 20:27
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I was imaging weird network boot setups or full-disk decryption schemes, and it turns out it is for putting a sweet logo on the screen during boot.
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Apr 28, 2015 21:13
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Yeah, I was trolling a bit. I'm still not terribly convinced IPC is really needed before a stage when you can run something that should be as simple as dbus.
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Apr 28, 2015 21:17
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Soricidus posted:arabic text handling is the worst clusterfuck ever because it's literally bidirectional: regular text runs right to left, but numbers within that text still run left to right! No, numbers in Arabic are right-to-left, but little-endian. It was always like this - this is why they are called Arabic numerals. If anything, it is the western languages that messed it up when these numerals were imported in the middles ages, since little-endian is supposedly easier to read. Blame 500 year old mathematicians for forgetting to convert from the network byte order.
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May 1, 2015 00:03
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Upgraded my gaming machine to Fedora 22. Needs suiting. GNOME still pretty; still not going near my work machine. I am amazed that the Fedora upgrade process does not have a GUI, or any built-in mechanism, though. With Debian, you just dist-upgrade, with Fedora, I had to run some specialised tool with weird flags.
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Jun 5, 2015 10:12
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pseudorandom name posted:preupgrade had a GUI, they replaced it with fedup (which doesn't) and they're planning on replacing fedup with something else that uses systemd's upgrade/maintenance mode instead of a specialized boot image Good. I found it amazing that upgrading Fedora was essentially the same process as upgrading OpenBSD, only more confusing and more poorly documented.
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Jun 5, 2015 19:31
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Why isn't there a year of Linux on the compute server thread? I need to ask opinions about OpenSuSE. Can I just pretend it's for desktop?
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Jun 10, 2015 09:13
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ahmeni posted:were only able to get off RHEL5 at work because Java 7 is end of life and Java 8 isn't supported/packaged for it Ok, so I don't work in enterprise and while I kind of maybe sorta get why you want to use super-stable non-changing systems on servers (although why workstations?), why do you upgrade to the second-most-ancient when using the most-ancient becomes untenable? Why not upgrade to the most recent promised-supported-forever version (RHEL 7 it seems), since you have to put in the migration effort anyway?
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Jun 29, 2015 08:53
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I'm The Art of War written by notable Chinese general Niccolo Machiavelli.
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Dec 9, 2015 14:41
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Mr Dog posted:oh ho ho i wish I just had programs that just tightloop the CPU. Nah, WebKitGtk has this thing where it likes to go into a tight loop allocating and dirtying memory. The OOM killer will probably kill it. Eventually. After it's thrashed its way through 8GB of swap. In the meantime the entire graphical session just locks up completely to the point where you can't even move the mouse. Sometimes if I hammer Ctrl+Alt+F3 enough I can log in to a text console and kill -9 the loving thing. Why does this even happen? Why does the kernel allow one process to push everything else out of memory? Why isn't the memory hog itself swapped out instead of the loving X server or my text editor? This is my #1 desktop Linux issue. I know I can just ulimit the risky processes or disable swap entirely, but I don't mind swap or memory-hungry processes on principle, as long as they stick to stepping on their own toes.
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Dec 27, 2015 12:06
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the kernel doesn't know what your processes are doing, it can't. I can tell it which processes are important. I don't have much Linux kernel programming experience, but I have done kernel programming (including scheduler and virtual memory) before, and it's not hard to have a bit that says "this process and its children is important" and then not gently caress with it. Basically, all I need is enough responsivity to launch and xterm, figure out which process is misbehaving, and kill it. Hell, if Linux wasn't retarded about swap, I could wait until the OOM killer gets around to it, but in practice my system is unusable while swapping. Does this solve the common case? No, if my X server or Emacs goes haywire, then it will cause even more damage than otherwise. On a server where total throughput is what you care about, a policy like this is really dumb. But those are not the cases I worry about; in practice my X server never allocates too much memory, nor does my Emacs, but the bloody Haskell compiler does go apeshit sometimes (and browsers too). I just need something that works for my setup (and I think most desktop linux setups). How is this not something that bothers more people? I'd think the desktop Linux developers would run into this kind of poo poo very often and would whip up some kernel patch to ameliorate it. How does OS X handle this?
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Dec 28, 2015 11:41
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blowfish posted:me: hey it's a server and needs nothing beyond minimal GUI, let's install a minimal desktop environment what could possibly go wrong Why are you putting USB sticks in a server? What kind of server is this
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Jan 3, 2016 21:12
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Suspicious Dish posted:Intel has better OSS drivers because they're not based on Gallium. Gallium is a giant piece of poo poo when it comes to speed. Explain why Gallium (Gallium3D?) is bad. I spent like three seconds reading the summary on their page and it looks like it has too many abstractions that nobody needs. I do a lot of GPGPU stuff at work and all the drivers are poo poo; also Intels. I am seriously questioning the wisdom of being in a research field that depends on working Linux GPU drivers.
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Jan 10, 2016 13:44
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I use OpenBSD on my servers and Fedora on my desktop, and I still cannot believe that the OpenBSD upgrade process is the smoother of the two, even though I am reminded every six months.
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Feb 27, 2016 10:02
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akadajet posted:glad i don't do gpu stuff. sounds like a pain. I am a PhD student, and my research involves a compiler for a functional language that generates high-performance GPU code. Many times have I regretted selecting a research field dependent on functioning GPU drivers on Linux. Although modern Intel GPUs are pretty nice, seem to have even more horsepower than their attached CPUs, and the drivers tend to work well.
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Mar 22, 2016 16:00
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xPanda posted:do the Intel drivers for linux allow access to the GPU device yet? we begged for that for years No idea, but the free Beignet drivers provide access to the GPU device and are plenty fast and stable. There is so much compute power here, this has to become mainstream somehow.
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Get a router that can do that web-based authentication crap for you. That sounds horrible. Also, don't get drivers from AMDs webpage unless that's what the Fedora wiki or whatever tells you to do. I've managed to set up a Linux system with four NVIDIA GPUs and one AMD GPU (oh god), and it works. The AMD GPU is even the stablest one of the bunch, I think.
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