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Ur Getting Fatter posted:can you post that same image but with the stallman instead of jesus? 
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did my first gentoo install today, wanna try stage1 next but wtf everyone in the gentoo community seems to be terrified of explaining how that works
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oval office AND PASTE posted:use arch you idiot what i really want is an install so loving bare that you have to type every file in /etc by hand
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i want to see a distribution where "stage one" consists of basically mkfs.ext4, and busybox trimmed of everything that is there for convenience's sake, from that point you have to download other stuff in shell extractor format via wget
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oval office AND PASTE posted:so arch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4kBRC2co7Y&t=160s drat kids think running tar at the command line is as primitive as it gets, there's a whole world beyond that i tell you Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Mar 26, 2014 |
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Mar 26, 2014 08:37
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looking over linux from scratch it's kind of what i'm after but with less building from source and more hand-configuring, i wanna recapture that thrill of installing mcc interim back in the day and earn my beard properly
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only until the display server wars heat up (you can try to argue that x11 is irreplaceable but then systemd migration shows that you're wrong & foolish) Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 21:02 on Mar 27, 2014 |
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Mar 27, 2014 20:56
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sounds like a monopoly 2 me
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Suspicious Dish posted:Beefy Miracle was basically a joke from our team about how dumb release names were in general. They finally stopped naming releases and I'm happy. i'd buy you the mascot as an avatar if you hadn't just bought one Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 21:57 on Mar 28, 2014 |
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Mar 28, 2014 21:55
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Suspicious Dish posted:I didn't buy one. It was given to me by Shalinor because I made a bear pun in the Kickstarter Gaming thread.
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 that sound you hear is a thousand slashdotter heads exploding
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Oct 20, 2014 23:12
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Init is the standard process controller.
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Oct 21, 2014 06:24
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when someone says "that goes against the Unix philosophy" give him a lollipop
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personally i would rather not see systemd hegemony happen but i've accepted that it will because the systemd opposition is filled with morons
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Suspicious Dish posted:I'm asking because everybody seems to think that systemd doesn't follow the UNIX philosophy, but nobody has been able to tell me what that is, and why Linux follows it. We can recognize master signifiers by the way both senders and receivers of a message respond to them. Senders use them as the last word, the bottom line, the term that anchors, explains or justifies the claims or demands contained in the message. Receivers respond to master signifiers with a similar attitude: whereas other terms and the values and assumptions they bear may be challenged, master signifiers are simply accepted as having a value or validity that goes without saying.
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it seems to be a standard argument for lean init systems to say that "the kernel requires nothing from pid 1 except to be a process collector of last resort therefore that is all it must ever do" there's never any thought of reading it the other way round, i.e. the kernel's special treatment of init, as long as it remains in place, constitutes a grant of responsibility for any feature that must hook into last-resort process collection to work correctly, and if this leads to bloat well maybe you should point the finger at the kernel and its unique treatment of this one process tl;dr software architecture is politics
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Sniep posted:why cant we keep what we have now then since it works?
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Why hasn't the v8 engine been grafted onto the linus kernel yet
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Cardboard Box A posted:So everyone hates systemd but no one really knows why? 
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forkfedora posted:[ "x$DAEMON" = xyes ] i suppose it might be pulled in from sendmail upstream but i'm not finding it there
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Nov 2, 2014 19:43
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Suspicious Dish posted:It's more to prevent against input like DAEMON="-n" breaking the script.
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Nov 2, 2014 20:40
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Mr Dog posted:reminds me of that one (unconfirmed) thing that GCC does where it detects somebody trying to use the XOR swap trick and just replaces it with a SWAP instruction.
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Nov 2, 2014 21:17
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I don't think that systemd's rejection of scripts has anything to do with readability, it's more that scripts create subprocesses for literally everything and then don't tell the service manager which ones it needs to monitor, maybe this could have been addressed in a politically correct way by defining a protocol for startup scripts to write info back to init on stdout but none of the beards has bothered to do that in 20 years so
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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:i don't understand why bash still does this
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Nov 2, 2014 21:55
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:smf did this, and it is/was really awesome. smf was just a process monitor. it didn't even try to replace pid 1. smf starts daemons and monitors them, that's it. Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 22:37 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Nov 2, 2014 22:34
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rc more like wreck haha lol
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:yes that is the point Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Nov 2, 2014 |
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Nov 2, 2014 23:19
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Old systems never die, they just get virtualized
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Though not at amazon, I mean everything has been virtualized but they take a Douglas Adams approach to os obselescence. They announce a date on a mailing list that you're supposed to just know about and any system running an old os after that just gets shut off by ops, unless it has a special dispensation. I guess that's why they're not running the os they started with (hpux) They handle just p much every aspect of IT policy this way, only os upgrades involve summary shutoff, otherwise you're just told when you go to scale your systems that you can't have that anymore Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 03:49 on Nov 3, 2014 |
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Nov 3, 2014 03:42
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why don't people consider slackware for no-frills installation anymore 
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pram posted:use crux
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can't break what ain't fixen
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crux doesn't boot in virtualbox
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not everyone has the patience to dive through 20 layers of keyboard input processing to find the one that breaks poo poo
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we got through what, 2 whole pages without any systemd talk, gj
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are the beards actually agitating for a "forced breakup" of systemd? like, they're literally trying to apply antitrust discourse to a free project? lmao
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jeff k lookin kinda rough these days
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:change is intrinsically bad
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Avenging Dentist posted:is there like a good summary anywhere of why systemd is the way it is? i mean i don't really give a rat's rear end what init system ends up winning but i can at least understand why some people might be a little worried about it being PID 1 my tldr understanding: - a key goal is to manage dependencies among services - this management requires direct, reliable information about each service's process status - the linux kernel provides that information to pid 1 by default - there are also ways to provide it to a different process (i.e. process grouping and subreaping) but using these merely displaces the work to be done, and all the potential hazards, without otherwise changing them Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 02:41 on Nov 23, 2014 |
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Soricidus posted:we must secure the existence of our platform and a future for unix sysadmins
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