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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


ronya posted:

Important thing to remember is that there's a lot of ruin in a nation, and when the inevitable financial crisis finally occurs, it is not likely to reverse all of that growth.

China's social and political situation would explode though. The only thing keeping the very big problems at bay (massive divide between coastal urban/rural life, no political rights, oppression of non-Han) is the constant insane growth. If that were to even just slow down, much less reverse, China would be in for some very rocky times. And unlike the Soviet collapse, the entire world economy is heavily connected to China.

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


computer parts posted:

The salaries in China for bureaucrats is one of the more compelling reasons for why capping pay for legislators is a dumb idea.

They'll still get the money, it'll just be mostly in graft instead.

If graft goes unpunished people will do it regardless of their salary.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


drat. This is going to be bad.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Broken Cog posted:

Aren't these shares essentially worthless for as long as they stay unlisted? What's going to reassure shareholders about the company for as long as their value stays frozen?

The market is currently irrational, they will simply wait until it is rational again duh

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Well, that'll stabilize things.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


How transparent are the markets in China, could the government just straight up give out fake numbers if it wanted?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




lol

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Ardennes posted:

So the Shanghai exchange just dropped 8%, the show isn't over folks.

I guess those graduates didn't chant hard enough. :(

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


China spent 10% of its 2014 GDP on propping up the stock market lmao

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/23/uk-china-markets-rescue-idUKKCN0PX0AU20150723?link=mktw

quote:

China has enlisted $800 billion worth of public and private money to prop up its wobbly stock markets, a Reuters analysis shows, but the impact of the unprecedented government-orchestrated rescue has so far been modest.

Public statements, media reports and market data reveal that Beijing unleashed 5 trillion yuan (515 billion pounds) in funds - equivalent to nearly 10 percent of China's GDP in 2014 and greater than the 4 trillion yuan it committed in response to the global financial crisis - to calm a savage share sell-off.

But while the 2008 stimulus package staved off recession, analysts wonder what benefit the stock rescue package can bring to offset the risk the government is buying stocks at valuations private investors are no longer willing to pay.

"I'm quite negative towards the rescue," said Yang Weixiao, analyst at Founder Securities in Beijing.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Don't worry guys, the government is willing to pour even more money into the stock market! 10% of the GDP just wasn't enough I guess.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2015/07/27/uk-markets-china-stocks-close-idUKKCN0Q10KD20150727

quote:

China said on Monday it was prepared to buy shares to stabilise the stock market and avert "systemic risks", after major indices plunged more than 8 percent in the biggest one-day fall since 2007.

The securities regulator also said market authorities would deal severely with anyone engaged in the "malicious shorting of stocks", in Beijing's latest attempt to stave off a full-blown market crash.

Monday's slump, amid growing doubts about the strength of the world's second biggest economy, shattered three weeks of relative calm as a barrage of support measures helped stabilise values following a sharp sell-off that started in mid-June.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


I remember walking passed the Apple store in Bangkok, and there was a couple buses full of Chinese tourists unloading and going straight into the store and tour groups taking group pictures all holding up their new iphones in front of the store. Are consumer electronics like that cheaper outside of China enough to warrant that kind of weirdness, or are Thai iphones just cooler?

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Estimated 7,000-70,000 casualties

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



disregard that, source seems to be poo poo

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B002'05.7%22N+117%C2%B044'34.2%22E/@39.0325209,117.737201,549m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x0:0x0

look at all those apartment buildings right across the highway

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


No way that guy survived. Pause on the final frame and the ground is being torn up in front of him. edit: nevermind those are trees

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Arglebargle III posted:

The Texas City explosion was almost two kilotons and 460 people died, so the 7,000 dead figure seems completely impossible.

Texas City had a population of around 6,000.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XZa48XG7NNM

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Dow has almost completely recovered now :psyduck:

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDAmPIq29ro

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


SHANGHAI—Proving to be just as flimsy and precarious as many observers had previously warned, the Chinese-made Shanghai Composite index completely collapsed Monday, sources confirmed. “Sure, it looked fine from the outside, but anybody who saw it up close knew that it was of such poor quality that it wasn’t built to last,” said Allen Sigman of the London School of Economics, adding that the stock market, which he described as a crude knockoff of Western versions, was practically slapped together overnight and featured countless obvious structural weak points. “They pretty much ignored regulations, and inspections were a joke. The only surprise is that it didn’t fall apart sooner.” Sigman added that he just hopes there weren’t too many people who were hurt in the disaster.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Bip Roberts posted:

So when it's down by 6% does that mean that 60% of the stocks are pegged at their 10% drop and we're just looking at trading on the 40% most solvent companies on the exchange?

more than 1000 companies have hit their max -10% loss apparently

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Nikkei is also down to -4 now.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014



lol not anymore

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


-3

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Vehementi posted:

I guess you're watching a shanghai futures index? What's a link?

market is open

https://www.google.com/finance?cid=7521596

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Euro markets are crashing.

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


ThingOne posted:

http://english.sse.com.cn/ In a move straight out of the Fox News playbook the Shanghai Stock Exchange's site has reversed the colors of it's stock arrows. Look at all that green :downs:.

its always been like that, as red is a good color in china

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




lol!

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014




mm that dead cat bounce

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Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Fojar38 posted:

lollin at Ukraine because this survey was in like 2013 or something (it's each country's majority answer for "who is the greatest threat to peace?")

only thing that surprises me is pakistan picking us over india

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