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breaks
May 12, 2001

The TankFX is on the wet signal and gets fed back into the reverb's input (uh - I think it actually gets fed back into the input of the late reflection stage). There is also a WetFX is that goes straight to the output without feedback.

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May 12, 2001

So after however many years Bazille is finally getting a real release. The beta is out and it's free for a month or so and you should probably download it because it's awesome.

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May 12, 2001

The Expert Sleepers stuff is the way to go. If you already have an interface that can put out DC you only need the Silent Way plugins. If you don't they make a few modules that hook up by SPDIF or ADAT.

Definitely avoid MIDI if you don't mind using the computer, putting voltages out as audio is much more accurate.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Panda Time posted:

Is there anything out there for DAW / VST Tempo sync waveforms >> CV envelopes?

MOTU Volta looks nice, otherwise maybe just crafting raw audio clips to use as CV?

The Expert Sleepers plugins (Silent Way) will do that for you, so if you end up getting those anyway...

The other two options you mentioned, Volta and making specialized clips in Live or whatever, work fine too!

You can also build stuff with relative ease in Reaktor or Max if you use either of those. As long as your interface will hold a DC voltage all you really need to do is send stuff out the jack and plug it in to the modular (please check for cabling instructions if you aren't using something intended to plug into a modular, if I remember you need some weird cables in some cases).

The only thing that gets tricky is pitch, because the exact voltage is very important. For that you really want a specialized plugin that can calibrate itself. Volta and Silent Way each have one.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Oldstench posted:

It looks like it, but the power of the Elektron sequencers is in the p-locks, and I don't see this having that feature unless I'm completely blind and missing a major bullet point.

There are 3 CV channels that you can set per step, which are effectively parameter locks. Controlling a modular with an A4, you have 4 outputs, so you can generally do pitch, gate, and 2 channels for CV. So this buys you one more CV channel plus the aux gate output, whatever that does exactly (just a built in mult for the gate?).

breaks
May 12, 2001

The WMD MMVCA can do that. Great module all around, it can crossfade or fade one out entirely before bringing the other in, it's also a 2ch mixer, dual independent VCAs, distortion, half or full wave rectifier, and most importantly it has great blinkenlights.

There are also several specialized crossfader modules. For 1 input to >2 outputs, there's stuff like the Toppobrillo Mixiplexer or the Intellijel Planar... I know there are others.

breaks fucked around with this message at 22:52 on Jun 22, 2014

breaks
May 12, 2001

Oldstench posted:

Getting close to finishing up my Reaktor-based Klee.

Sorry about the bad video quality. I think my camera is going bad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Revcy2jm0_0

That looks really cool man. What are you using to clock it, and what are you using to get the signals to the modular? And what is the thing below it? I bet it would be a lot of fun with a Lemur template to control it.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Scatterfold posted:

haha I've said that I did so I'm gonna show the goods: https://soundcloud.com/scatterfold/sets/davoren-arc. Three tracks I've done in the last few weeks, all with the same kit. Very Opal Tapes-y I think; so minimal, warm house if that's your thing.

Machinedrum UW+; Blofeld; Wavestation; MC-202; TR-606 and Reaktor. Lots (too much? no) sidechain compression and a lot of tape compression too. It's a bit of a departure in terms of my style, but the one thing I've always used are found sounds and recordings of things irl so they're here too. And radio static. And porn.

Good stuff man, thanks for sharing.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Not familiar with the Shruthi specifically but increasing the attack is usually what you want to do. If the oscillator phase doesn't reset with the start of a note, and the note onset occurs when the waveform is greater or less than zero, and the attack isn't long enough to smooth out the jump from 0 to +/- whatever, you get a click. You're looking for a really short (like sub-1ms) attack to get rid of the click, not enough to perceptibly give it an attack.

If the Shruthi has some kind of phase reset feature, then that will also get rid of the click but will typically have a larger impact on the sound.

It's also possible but much less likely that a click is caused some other way, like a very short and steep amp or filter envelope (but probably you know what happened if that's the problem).

breaks
May 12, 2001

Best bargain synths that aren't analog are all plugins really.

Even former bargain hardware like a Matrix 1k goes for several hundred now. It is a great synth with some flaws, some of which you can fix with a patched firmware. But even with it, it has issues like only processing midi input every 20ms or whatever it is exactly. And you need a software editor.

Probably minibrute et al are the best cheapies to be had at the moment.

breaks
May 12, 2001

The ES3 is the ADAT one and is definitely still in production. I have one plus the ES6 input expander and they work great! The ES6 is great with Bitwig's audio mod modulator, easy control of VST parameters using CV from the modular. Only thing to be aware of is that both ins and outs have some DC offset, no biggie but a minor annoyance. Can't speak for the non-ADAT modules but heard good things.

Keep in mind the software is separate. I find it kind of fiddly and I don't use it much, mostly on some homemade Reaktor ensembles for controlling stuff. I do use the note output sometimes and it's fine.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Basically the entire extent of proper electro and coldwave is dervied from Kraftwerk. Anthony Rother's stuff from the late 90s and early 00s, Dopplereffekt, Boris Divider, I-F, Aux 88, Silicon Scally, Rude 66, Scape One, Black Spider Clan, Experimental Products, Alek Stark, Electronome, The Consumer, Cold Cave, Le Syndicat Electronique, hardly even getting started here. This list is on the darker side of things I guess. The more upbeat side turned into Afrika Bambaataa et al. Some of that stuff is vocal heavy and some of it isn't. The coldwave type stuff certainly has vocals everywhere.

Obviously don't bother searching for "electro" since that will just get you a bunch of electrohouse garbage.

I'll add, maybe just look through youtube user DroidLife's videos.

breaks fucked around with this message at 11:00 on Dec 20, 2014

breaks
May 12, 2001

toadee posted:

It's just hilarious that nothing new was added. These are modules that Synthesizers.com faithfully recreated at a fraction of the price. So why would anyone buy one of these systems from Moog?

That stuff is for the synthesizer equivalent of blues lawyers.

breaks
May 12, 2001

As far as I remember (it has been a while) there's no option for a transpose input on the Rene. You can transpose any oscillator with two exponential pitch inputs (which is most of them) though, just by plugging them both into it. Of course the pressure points is not quantized, you'd need a separate quantizer for it if you don't want to tune it manually. On oscillators with only one expo pitch you can use a precision adder type module.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Oldstench posted:

I have (and love) both a Rene and a PP + Brains combo. Would love to get a Metropolis. I also use my ES-1 and lots of bizarre Reaktor sequencers.

The same, except that I don't much care for the Rene, partly because it tends to not recognize my touches unless I lick my fingers a lot which is kind of gross. ES-1, PP+Brains, and Metropolis are all great though.

breaks
May 12, 2001

By the way for folks in the USA who are interested in some Doepfer modules, the favorable exchange rate makes them a lot cheaper at Thomann than at Analoguehaven. Like 2/3rds the price or even less.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Yeah, especially if you buy several at once. Just in case you didn't already have enough reasons to do that.

As an example a 101-3 is 310 shipped from Thomann and 425+ship from AH. About 30 of that Thomann price is shipping and I think won't change unless you order a ton of stuff, where AH keeps tacking more on for every additional item.

breaks fucked around with this message at 21:28 on Mar 13, 2015

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May 12, 2001

sofullofhate posted:

Update: Having discussed with my wife, I am ordering this system and the Dark Time in the morning. I must be insane.

Since it seems I'm somewhat responsible for this, I feel obligated to warn you that it is possible that you could get charged customs. US customs is really lax; I've made international purchases regularly for many years and have never been charged duty on anything, including several synth orders from Thomann and Erica. But my purchases have all been under $1k, and they might pay more attention to a much larger / more expensive shipment. If you do get dinged I believe it's only about 5% (but please double check if concerned).

Having said that, it looks like a cool setup. I have the xpander filter and the wave mult and really like both of them. The wave mult is a rather tweaky in operation compared to other wavefolders, but I like the sounds from it. Personally I would remove all the mults and get intellijel hubs instead. Case real estate is expensive and there's not much reason to put a mult in there unless it's going to be powered/buffered, in my opinion. Functionally the Doepfer mults are fine though. Also if you haven't already, look at the A-171-2 and the A-141-2 as possible replacements for some ADSRs/LFOs (for example, remove one of each and add either of those two modules). That would basically trade off quantity of sources in exchange for more flexibility/CV control - just something to think about.

breaks
May 12, 2001

There are quite a few synths where you can modulate envelopes etc with immediate effect. It's not ubiquitous, especially on older digital stuff, but not uncommon. An envelope modulating itself is a pretty standard way of getting exponential envelope shapes in synths that support it.

breaks
May 12, 2001

"There are lots of well established similar products, but ours is better and cheaper" is a huge kickstarter red flag. Don't do it man!

breaks
May 12, 2001

Dotcom Jillionaire posted:

I don't have a problem I don't have a problem I don't have a problem I don't have a problem I don't have a problem

Well taking a look at your pictures, obviously you DO - there's empty tile space in your top rack and room for another module or more in the second one (hard to see). What the gently caress dude? Chop chop.

Also those Roland modules are such a disappointment. :( Especially the delay since there is still no real competitor for the $600 and mostly unavailable Modcan one.

breaks
May 12, 2001

You'd be surprised how often you don't need an attenuator, either because you're plugging it into something else that has one, or you're plugging it into something where you want it running full scale anyway.

For example, you have an Outs in that rack, so you might go oscillator->filter->vca->outs, and the outs has attenuators on it for controlling the level of the output, so you don't need to attenuate the CV also.

I personally prefer VCAs that have a CV attenuator and a bias knob, which can work together to set the level and offset of the CV. I really like the MMVCA, which works not only as 2 separate VCAs but also can be configured as a crossfader, panner, 2 channel manual or VC mixer, and also it has a little saturation circuit built in, and most importantly of course it has good blinkenlights. On the downside, it is larger and more expensive than most.

But, there is definitely something to be said for a setup like that triple VCA and a TriAtt.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Keep in mind that Rene also has fewer outputs so you're still at least in a nearby boat as far as the number of quantized cvs you're getting.

I would take a metropolis over either of them personally.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that the metropolis had more quantized outs, just that I personally prefer it. The Rene can do some cool tricks for sure though, I have one (but plan to sell it.) For melodies I think the Rene is better if you like devices that you can set up to kind of generate their own material, and Metropolis is better at being kind of sequencer clay that the user can push around.

breaks
May 12, 2001

You can certainly hear the synth line that could be from a tb303, but there are a lot of FX stacked on there. I don't really think the 303 is what is making that track what it is.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Mr. Glass posted:

has anyone bought stuff from erica synths before? i ordered a polivoks vcf kit and haven't heard anything in a week or so.

i'm probably just being impatient.

If it has been a whole week I'd shoot them an email asking about it nicely. They always got back to me within 24 hours.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Does the 4p remove a channel from the mix out when you have something plugged into the individual out, or is the mix always all 4 channels (or whatever you set with jumpers or however it works)?

breaks
May 12, 2001

It depends on what is in the rest of your 90hp. For example, consider controlling the VCA with an LFO that swings into the negative range. On the VCA4p this is just going to close it entirely while the LFO is negative and to fix that, you need a mixer and a DC source to combine with the LFO. On the uVCA you just adjust the bias. On the other hand, if you want to do something like having voltage control of the mix of several waveforms, the VCA4p is the clear choice.

The uVCA is built in a modern way and the VCA4p uses more vintage components, which probably makes some kind of difference to the sound, but this is probably pretty subtle (that said I haven't compared them).

breaks
May 12, 2001

Realistically I wouldn't bother with modular unless you've got a couple grand to put into it.

Of course then you fall into kind of a haze and don't really remember much until you realize you've spent 5 million dollars.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Sounds like a problem with Reaper 4.78 then? Is Reaper 5 not stable enough to use or something?

There is very often some kind of compensation setting either for MIDI clock globally or for individual tracks, designed to be used in this kind of scenario, but I don't know where it might be in Reaper if it exists.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Wasn't such a bad synth really, just not much point in having that kind of megasynth outside a computer anymore, except maybe for poo poo like the Virus and Nords which people still use for live work with bands.

These one knob per function things make a little more sense in hardware though, we'll see if anyone buys it, but I guess the Airas have done well enough if they're making these so why not.

breaks
May 12, 2001

I like the Erica Polivoks as well. I think the "Black Polivoks" prebuilt module is the same thing with a different panel (and maybe they also fixed up the knob ranges?).

They also have the buffed up Dtech version of it, which looks badass, but I haven't used it personally. That one is DIY only I think. Back in the day they would sometimes build the DIY stuff for you if you emailed them and asked real nice, but I don't know if they are still doing that now that they have the big line of prebuilt stuff.

breaks
May 12, 2001

The straight clone does have bandpass also! The Dtech version gets you the adjustable cutoff and resonance slopes and CV control of resonance.

breaks
May 12, 2001

Digital modules! :argh:

breaks
May 12, 2001

You can work fast on a decent hardware sequencer once you get used to it, often much faster than you can mouse stuff in, at least for certain tasks.

The good ones are their own little instruments and you also come up with stuff that you'd never play or enter manually. Something like the Metropolis for example.

breaks
May 12, 2001

If it's one of the older ones with the paint chipping issues that takes some value out of it too. Doesn't hurt the functionality though if you don't mind it being a bit ugly.

breaks
May 12, 2001

I think the "PluginGuru" guy who apparently doesn't live up to his name is trying to say that it's not multi-timbral, but is polyphonic.

breaks
May 12, 2001

He says "one amp/filter section" which is a different thing from "one amp/filter." He then goes on to talk about how you can't have two different sound settings at the same time.

In general it is very confusing and unclear, but I think he means multi-timbral.

Anyway we'll find out in a week or so I guess, but I'm also skeptical that Korg is dumb enough to label it "polyphonic" if it's not actually polyphonic.

breaks
May 12, 2001

this fuckin guy posted:

PlugInGuru 1 hour ago
+Benjamin White - Whatever voice mode you set - it all goes thru the single analog filter.....

Pete Brown 35 minutes ago
+PlugInGuru Where did you hear that? Specs on sweetwater show it as proper polyphonic (one filter per voice), not paraphonic.

Pete Brown 12 minutes ago
+PlugInGuru I just saw your demo on this. But still think we're confusing terms in here.

PlugInGuru 9 minutes ago
+Pete Brown - It is one filter per voice.

I have no idea how this son of bitch apparently has a career running a tutorial website.

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breaks
May 12, 2001

Don't worry man, pretty sure it's easily curable if you buy a couple more modules.

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