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toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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Also are there even any like, premade pieces of windows software that come all set up to do the arranging stuff? Like a bunch (and uhh, watching that vid I mean A BUNCH) of premade backing tracks/rhythms/harmonies etc, that are split across keyboard by default, with left hand changing chords and right hand playing a lead. Also with some sort of sample trigger loaded up at the same time with contextual one-shot samples triggered from the trigger pad you also had to pack? Like I think even getting past the extensive work involved in just getting the laptop + interface together and set up so that it's even mostly as stable and reliable as the Arranger keyboard, actually setting up an Ableton/FL/whatever project with everything you might ever possibly need to play a bar mitzvah, two weddings, a bachelorette party, and a corporate holiday party all on consecutive days, would be like, a massive undertaking. Genuinely the time it saves you just laying out all that poo poo is probably worth more than $6k to anyone who is also talented enough to use the end product. Their time is definitely worth that much.

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toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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Pollyanna posted:

I like the sound and UI of the SH-101 so I was considering getting an MS-1, but apparently they’re starting to phase it out in favor of a mk2? Is it still worth it or is there a better SH-101 clone out there?

Oh, and any controller recs? Ideally standalone and I’d just control Volcas+TD-3+NTS-1 via MIDI/CC. Apparently the Launchkey is decent?

For the sound itself, there's a few options:

1) MSW-810: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53qvBIdKPFM

This is a clone of the Roland CMU-810, which was a companion to the Roland CMU-800, which was a 606 + basic pulse wave synth mashed into a box that was to be controlled by an Apple II PC. The CMU-810 was the sound making guts of a 101/202, that was CV/Gate controlled by the CMU-800 controlled by the Apple II. Michigan Synth works makes a 1:1 copy of the CMU-810 sound bits, and CV/Gate, and offers a MIDI option as well

2) Intellijel Atlantis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKykTfsRXdE

Not even attempting to be a clone of a 101/202 voice, but basically covering the same exact stuff, just with a slightly different Oscillator and filter core circuit. It definitely has them feels, so much so that Aphex Twin used 4 of them on Syro.

3) A Roland MC-202, possibly modded later with a Tubbutech MC-2oh2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSmKMtTey4A

It's a lot cheaper than an SH-101, has 99% of the sound (lacks the noise circuit), but needs you to use it's arcane internal sequencer + din sync. Or mod it. The Tubbutech MC-2oh2 mod replaces the CPU, allows unquantized CV/Gate in (the stock 202 runs its CV/Gate through its CPU, which is like 2mhz or something. There are organic vegan crackers that could process audio faster, so it doesn't work for live CV/Gate applications), and a bunch of other improvements. Like MIDI, and oh it adds a drum machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHY1PrmfFmI

4) An SH-01a: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyLY1vadqDk

Roland Digital, but it sounds nice, has CV/Gate out and a nice arpeggiator that gives you the originals sequencer kind of feel

For the UI itself, like with the keybed and everything.....

1) Dinsync RE-101: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEgq7OjcTRU

It's a 1:1 copy of the 101, it's such a copy that Dinsync will use their pieces to repair your original 101. You can drop an original 101 CPU into it and the CPU will think its in a regular 101 and run it all the same etc. It's not cheap though, you could also just buy a 101.

2) Behringers MS-1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k222_KjpKPs

It sounds... OK. It's one of the bigger misses I think Behringer has made on even just the sound of a vintage analog. The Mk2 will probably be a lot better in that respect, as it will probably use their new reproduction of the original BA662 opamp which was pretty essential to all the X0X machines' sound.

Thats really it for full copies I think? Superlative Instruments funded a Kickstarter in like 2019 to make the "Space Bee 01" but Im not sure if it ever got done/they will make more

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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The Intellijel Midi 1U system is bonkers if you're using your system with a DAW and you like to patch up multiple independent "instruments" in your rack. You can expand it with up to 4 CVx expander modules, each giving 8 CV outs, for a total of 40 CV outs. Everything is assignable and programmable in their downloadable utility. You can make polyphonic blocks, you can make drum kits, you can define trigger length, note ranges, note priority etc for each CV out. It's definitely been exactly what I wanted out of Eurorack MIDI

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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I prefer the '$75,000 closet' approach https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbLt0S0W5jE

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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JamesKPolk posted:

Why are there so many more early digital delay re-issues than reverbs? Or rephrased slightly, what's the prescription for my GAS, doctors?

I'm thinking of like the Korg SDD-3000, the Roland SDE-3000D that just came out, and I guess the Space Echo ones too though thats really both and neither.

I'm after just a basic-rear end Lexicon-ish room algo to always have on on a send. I don't mind extra bells and whistles but I have a Space for that which ideally I'll be freeing up from room duty (there's a decent PCM60 preset on there which is how I know what I'm after).

I considered a newer budget Lexicon but I didn't love it when I had one (not sure if this is me or the box), and of course there's the OTO stuff but that's a lot of money to sound like something cheaper. ITB I'd for sure just go Valahlla (maybe that's why there's such a paucity) or some IR hacky thing. I saw the Red Panda Context which I think is almost there except I want stereo, and the Chase Bliss thing which is great except it's freaking $700

Is there something I'm overlooking? Either new or actual vintage, I just know I'm way more interested in warm fuzzy analog stages than cool algorithms.

If you like 90s era Warp/Artificial Intelligence at all, this box is practically required purchasing https://reverb.com/item/77288559-alesis-quadraverb-20k-bandwidth-simultaneous-digital-effects-processor-1990s-black

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

https://www.korg.co.uk/blogs/updates/ps-3300

The only rumor I've seen says $13,000, although that seems a bit low.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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Startyde posted:

That's Colossus money, which I'd rather any day of the week :science:

Well, it is a 49 voice synth whereas Colossus is really just kind of one big rear end voice

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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Cabbages and Kings posted:

solar 42 is only $1800! MICROTONAL BRO


The 3300 is also Microtonal, it has a tuning knob for each oscillator in each voice section (the way it gets 147 oscillators is divide down, so each section has 12 oscillators for a total of 36, which are then divide down’d to cover the other notes. Because of that though, every note in the scale has 3 dedicated oscillators no matter which octave you play it in, so you can fine tune every note easily. And also I’m sure in the 1970s you had to retune it every time you turned it on. Or off. Or touched it. Or looked at it. While you’re at it tune it again ok?)

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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xzzy posted:

Korg's usb-midi driver also has issues with midi device numbers. Every time you plug a specific midi device into a different usb port, that device+port combo gets saved in a list by Windows. The korg software requires their devices to be on ID 9 or less, if it's on 10 or higher it will never work. So if you have multiple midi controllers and you maybe don't use the same usb port every time you can rapidly blow past 10 registered devices. Virtual midi interfaces consume ID's as well, so if you use loopmidi look out!

This has been a known issue for years and they have a knowledge base article on it.. rather than fixing their software they have you do a crappy "delete midi device registrations until your korg toy gets a usable ID" routine. OSX does not have this issue so one might be able to argue that Windows is doing something stupid, but I still feel like this one's on Korg.

Perhaps the Solar 42 person was right, we don't need a midi.

It's the most infuriating thing ever and the reason my MS-20 mini is collecting dust, since deleting MIDI entries is so annoying and stupid. I really wonder if people buying a $13,000 PS-3300 re-issue are going to run into the same thing.

toadee
Aug 16, 2003

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Mr. Sharps posted:

octatrack is the best sequencer, even beats a cirklon simply because you can buy one right now if you wanted. pair with a good midi to cv convertor and you're golden! if you need more than 8 midi tracks get a second octatrack

There are like 8 Cirklon's for sale on Reverb, you can get a Cirklon if you want one

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toadee
Aug 16, 2003

North American Turtle Boy Love Association

Cabbages and Kings posted:

i don't think TCC sourcing rules apply here and I don't see anything in the Musician's Lounge that looks like a rules thread which says "please don't use this forum to covertly ship each other vintage synths packed with LSD". And hey, that distribution method at least has some history to it even if it's super clunky to implement.

This is just a feature of buying vintage Buchla though? :confused: https://reverb.com/news/old-potent-lsd-found-on-a-vintage-buchla-red-module

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