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Caddrel posted:Someone on craigslist is selling this build for $600, whereas the components come out to ~$700. He built it a few months ago. I would heavily recommend against buying whole computers off of Craigslist, especially if you're only saving $100 (and also because you shouldn't use Crucial SSDs or CX PSUs).
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SL the Pyro posted:Well, my computer has arrived and is all assembled... but there's a problem; my ASRock z87 Extreme4 motherboard's PCI slots aren't working right. Some testing with the graphics card and the network card has determined that everything is plugged in right, they're even receiving power from the slots (i.e.: even with the back power connectors on the GPU plugged in, its fans won't spin unless the GPU itself plugged into the PCI). It's all in the right spot, the motherboard just... doesn't realize anything is there. The UEFI system browser says that the slots are even Empty. Meanwhile, everything else works perfectly. Can you take a picture of your setup?
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ToxicToast posted:I am thinking of buying this shellshocker deal at Newegg and putting a 750ti in it. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1609227 lovely no-name PSU built into the lovely case, bottom of the barrel FX CPU, and a Biostar motherboard. Also you'll have to shell out another $100 for Windows. At least you get 8GB of RAM! Either get this Pentium model or (preferably) this i3 instead. They both have Windows installed, so no worries there. Your motherboard is likely a dud, yeah. RMA that poo poo. Also you're supposed to feed your ATX/PCIe cables in the bottom hole
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ShaneB posted:Looks like I won't recommend that motherboard again. Although I know that it's an isolated incident... it doesn't make me happy. Dead boards can happen with any manufacturer, even ASUS.
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I really think you should get a B85-chipset at the very least, but that's just me I guess. This for example would be perfect: http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00D12OAVE/?tag=pcpapi-20 Hace fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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The 270X blows the 660 out of the water, and you should be able to find Rosewill Capstone 450W at around $50 on Newegg. You also might want to look for the R7 265, which is only $160 but still performs very well. Hace fucked around with this message at 05:18 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Spielmeister posted:Alright, this is probably a stupid question. I'm thinking about the best way to get stuff off of my current 320GB HDD when I get my new build. My computer is ancient and only has up to USB 2, and most of the devices out there seem to be USB 3 now. Am I right to assume that those would work just fine with my PC and would just have a lower speed than normal, or should I avoid USB 3 devices at all costs? Unless your current HDD is an external drive, just hook it to your new build up via SATA (make sure it's not your boot drive) and copy it's contents onto your new drive. You'll probably want to leave out the system files though. The Grumbles posted:I use it mainly for PC games these days, and it obviously struggles to hit high settings on new games like it used to. What games are you chugging on? Your CPU is getting a little long in the tooth for high settings, but you're probably more GPU limited than anything. Hace fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Google Butt posted:Is my i3 2100 so long in the tooth that I should upgrade to haswell, or just buy a new gpu? I game a bit at 1080p. At the end of the day, you will get much more performance from simply upgrading your GPU, trust me. In terms of looking for a new CPU, I'd wait until Skylake hits in about ~2 years IMO, but if you find that your performance still isn't where you want it to be then getting a 4570 couldn't hurt either. Hace fucked around with this message at 19:05 on Apr 9, 2014 |
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Black Dynamite posted:Is there a certain make and model of PSU that works particularly well with an ASUS Maximus Hero VI for around $100? If you want what is nearly the best PSU available in the US market, you should pay attention to this: atomicthumbs posted:The Seasonic SS-760XP2 power supply is on sale for $99 at Newegg today and tomorrow, after using promo code EXLEMC2254 and the $20 mail-in rebate. It's fully modular, has a fanless/silent mode, and is 80 Plus Platinum rated.
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Beast posted:This may seem like a silly question but - is there any advantage or disadvantage anyone can see over picking this The larger card is still going to fit in the vast majority of cases, even most ITX cases will support it. The tradeoff between the two cards is the the smaller one will run hotter and louder, since it only has one fan that will have to work hard to keep the card cool. The smaller also likely has less overclocking headroom.
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The miniumum CPU requirement is a Q8400. I get that it's built on DX11, but I'll be very surprised if it's actually that demanding.
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Don't fret too much about the 760ti, it's just a 670 in disguise. And as for the 800 series, most people aren't expecting it until late-Q3/Q4 2014, partially due to TSMC 20mm production delays.
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ShaneB posted:IMPORTANT NOTE: There will be a Haswell "refresh" coming out in early May. These new CPUs will improve the thermal interface between the CPU core and the heatspreader, allowing for (potentially) better overclocking due to lower temperatures. These new CPUs (codenamed Devil's Canyon) will work on current 1150 motherboards (but may require a BIOS update), and will be forward compatible with upcoming Z97 motherboards. Not to nitpick, but I think that Devil's Canyon is only supposed to run on 9-series chipsets.
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Ignoarints posted:Depends if it was originally an OEM license or not. OEM is bound to the motherboard. I believe this is the case still... With Windows 8 you aren't bound to the motherboard. Dunno if that still applies since he upgraded TO Win8 from Win7, but it can't hurt to try.
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I also believe that having 16:10 monitors help help with video production as well. Gotta have those pixels.
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They come out pretty easily for me, are you sure you're squeezing the tabs enough?Caddrel posted:Those look like great filters, I'll pick some up to be safe. I'll hold off on the extra fan for now and see how it goes. Thanks for the great advice everyone! The 350D has filters built into the front and bottom PSU panel, it just needs one on top
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ray_finkle_himself posted:Alright, so I'm building a new PC and wanted to stay around $1500 CDN. I already have a nice case so here's the rest: Your CPU cooler is overkill, you shouldn't need more than a 212 EVO to help with noise: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/cooler-master-cpu-cooler-rr212e20pkr2 A GTX 780 is really only reccomended for 1440p resoultions, for 1080p/1200p you should just step down to a 760 or a 770. SSD size is up to you. Personally I'm perfectly happen with a 250GB, the price hike in larger capacities still doesn't seem to worth it to me. This is a higher quality PSU for a lower cost: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/rosewill-power-supply-capstone550m This RAM is just as good for less: http://ca.pcpartpicker.com/part/a-data-memory-ax3u1600w4g9db Also you should consider getting a new case, modern cases are a dream to work in. Hace fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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http://www.techspot.com/review/712-arma-3-benchmarks/page3.html Look at the jump from a 760 to a 770, then the jump from a 770 to a 780. Does that really seem worth the extra $170? The main recommendation for 1080p is a 760 or a 270X is because they have excellent performance in most games, while also being available for $250 or less on average. In my eyes it's a huge waste to be spending twice as much just so you can turn the AA up a little bit higher in a few games, but I suppose that's just my opinion as well. Please do not buy $500 graphics cards for sub-1440p resolutions, folks. Hace fucked around with this message at 18:29 on Apr 11, 2014 |
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I would strongly consider getting an i5 4570, but that would put you over $800.
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Ignoarints posted:Does custom water cooling use tons of watts? nah
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Grumpwagon posted:Pretty sure it's better to get 2x4gb sticks, because then you can run dual channel. The exception would be if you wanted to get more, but couldn't afford it now. It doesn't matter unless you're using the IGP.
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Peanut3141 posted:Tom's has the 750 Ti 4 tiers above a 460SE. Not sure how that translates as I'm having difficulty finding benchmarks that span 3 generations of Nvidia. Well given that the 650Ti Boost has very very similar to the 750Ti, you can kinda fudge it a bit like this: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/859?vs=782 Also feel free to take off ~5 frames from the 460 benches since he has the SE version.
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Nitramster posted:So my 460gtx seems to have died after 4 years. Even if there's a fix for whatever is plaguing it I'm ready to upgrade anyways. Reading the thread it looks like a 660ti is the best to go for but newegg only shows 1 exists? Don't get the 660ti, the 760 costs the same/less, and has better performance. And yes your PCIe slot is fully compatible.
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PunkBoy posted:Re-did some selections for my potential gaming system. Anything I should change/consider? It would be great if I could get it under $1000, but I'll live with it if that's what needed higher end gaming. I could probably drop the Bluray player, but I want to be able to put my Final Fantasy X OST on my computer. You shouldn't be getting an RE4, they cost more and have weird firmware that'll make things screwy. Get this instead: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/western-digital-internal-hard-drive-wd10ezex Don't get Blu-Ray drives, you have to pay another $50 just to get software to be able to playback discs. Also you might as well get a slightly cheaper 760 with sweet sweet EVGA support: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/evga-video-card-02gp43765kr PCPartPicker part list CPU: Intel Core i5-4570 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor ($189.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock B85M Pro4 Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($69.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Kingston 8GB (1 x 8GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Samsung 840 EVO 250GB 2.5" Solid State Disk ($139.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($56.99 @ NCIX US) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg) Case: Corsair 350D MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($69.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: XFX 550W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ NCIX US) Optical Drive: Lite-On iHAS124-04 DVD/CD Writer ($14.99 @ Newegg) Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($89.98 @ OutletPC) Total: $986.89
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If I were you, I'd wait until the 800 series before picking up a new GPU. But if you really want a new one, the 770 would give you the biggest step up without breaking bank, yeah. What does the rest of your system look like, by the way?
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That's a great unit, and it has a 7 year warrenty so that's hardly a bad idea at all. I'm surprised that you have such a high end PSU and GPU, while still holding to a E8400 though.
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ellic posted:Thank you for this thread. I was wondering about a point in the OP about hyperthreading. Intel notes that both the i5 and i7 have that tech as well as turboboost. The i5 can come in both dual or quad core depending on the model number (ark.intel is a great site to verify this, i5 list) and it is correct to say that quad core hyperthreading can be a problem for a lot of programs; intel even agrees. So how can I be sure to recommend an i5 to someone if it still suffers from the same hyperthreading issue as the i7? I don't think a vast majority of people need i7s but if there is a recommendation to avoid the i7 primarily because of the threading problem, then shouldn't that also be a concern of the i5? You only want to be looking at these. The only i5's that are dual-cores are laptop or embedded variants, all desktop i5 models are quad-cores. If you want something to recommend, the i5 4570 strikes a great balance between price and performance, granted that you aren't planning to overclock with it. Also I'd hardly say that hyperthreading causes problems for most programs, it's more that most programs simply don't take advantage of hyperthreading.
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If it's comfortably within your budget, it can't hurt. That should probably be one the last things to worry about, however.
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smelly cabin filter posted:Whats a safe overclock for a 4670k with a 212? I just enabled the auto overclock on my motherboard which bumped it upto 4.2 and upped the voltage a bit. Not seeing any difference in temperatures from standard and the thing seems stable, I should probably just leave it as is With my 212, I wouldn't put my voltage any higher than 1.256V, and even that's pushing it honestly. Currently I'm sitting on 4.2Ghz @ 1.20V, which is perfectly fine for me. My chip isn't the greatest, as it needs 1.256V just to reach 4.4ghz, and 1.29V for 4.5ghz. Hace fucked around with this message at 17:08 on Apr 14, 2014 |
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stinkles1112 posted:So I'm looking at doing my very first PC build, primarily to be a media center and do some amateur audio recording of my lovely garage band. I'm looking to have a main monitor for the music room and to use the living room TV as a second monitor for Netflix and etc. The most graphically intensive game I'm likely to be playing on it regularly is, like, Hearthstone, so I'm not super concerned about getting a great video card but I'd like to be able to run Starcraft 2 (the only other PC game I really play at all) on max if I want to, and I definitely want to have good dual monitor support. Money isn't really an object but I'd like to keep it relatively inexpensive since I'm not looking for Pro Gaming here. This is what I have so far: Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you actually benefit from getting DDR3-1866 or higher unless you have a Z87 chipset.
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AntennaGeek posted:Just wanted to thank everyone in this and the previous threads... I'd shoot for the 750ti, if you're able.
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Counter-point: Don't buy a loving $500 780 for 1080p.Jose Cuervo posted:Will this MSI H81M-P33 LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard work with this Intel Core i3-4130 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4400 BX80646I34130? Yes, however H81 chipsets are as barebones as they come. It's reccomended to at least get a B85 chipset.
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Jose Cuervo posted:Barebones because it only has a single PCI-Express slot and 2 slots for RAM? Or some other reason? It also uses PCIe 2.0 instead of 3.0, it only has 4 SATA ports (2 of which that are 3Gbps). I've also heard that H81 motherboards also tend to have some corners cut in terms of overall build quality, but I don't know how legitimate that is. Hace fucked around with this message at 22:03 on Apr 16, 2014 |
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The Lord Bude posted:Get a 750ti instead of a 7850 Doesn't the 7850 outperform the 750ti?
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ZentraediElite posted:So how about this? Memory is memory, doesn't really matter. While Seasonic is nice, that PSU is super barebones, to the point of not even having braided cables. I'd consider getting this: http://pcpartpicker.com/part/xfx-power-supply-p1550sxxb9 XFX PSUs are just Seasonic rebrands, so aren't sacrificing quality in the slightest. e: Also someone is going to disagree with me, but if I were you I'd spring for an i5 and forget the SSD honestly. They're very nice, but hardly essential. You can always add one in the future anyway, whereas you're stuck with your CPU for a good long while. Hace fucked around with this message at 16:25 on Apr 17, 2014 |
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