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Rollofthedice posted:Why should I bother to connect with a repellent human being who obviously takes no time to connect with the other 50% or so of the world's population? I just said a few pages ago that I work with 100+ women every day. Do you think I'd manage it if I wasn't able to "connect" with them?
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OhYeah posted:I just said a few pages ago that I work with 100+ women every day. Do you think I'd manage it if I wasn't able to "connect" with them? Actually, yes, I think you would. You're managing it right now, in fact!
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Mar 6, 2016 23:12
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OhYeah posted:I think I've been the one advocating for the benefits of social progress that we've experienced in the past few decades. How is your gender and ethnicity not being important not social progress? Should we hire people based on their skin colour and genitals? Social progress is not persisting in believing that there is no difference in spite of all evidence to the contrary. That is barely removed from believing that there are differences but that they aren't a problem.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:12
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Rollofthedice posted:Actually, yes, I think you would. You're managing it right now, in fact! Most people don't live in the state of a permanent class war, examining their every step through the prism of political consequences, hth Regressive people are usually perfectly capable of functioning in society because of that.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:13
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this thread wasn't exactly nice or bearable before, but it was a thread. but then the immigrants showed up, first it was the fins and then the eastern europeans. that's when it all went to poo poo. too many of them, too fast and we just couldn't assimilate them into western culture fast enough. cry for this thread.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:17
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OwlFancier posted:Social progress is not persisting in believing that there is no difference in spite of all evidence to the contrary. That is barely removed from believing that there are differences but that they aren't a problem. So what do you want exactly? Traditional gender roles are not good enough. Complete equality in every sense of the word is also not good enough. What would make you happy?
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waitwhatno posted:this thread wasn't exactly nice or bearable before, but it was a thread. but then the immigrants showed up, first it was the fins and then the eastern europeans. that's when it all went to poo poo. too many of them, too fast and we just couldn't assimilate them into western culture fast enough. cry for this thread. You should have an unconditional respect for the divergent indigenous cultures of other peoples.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:18
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OhYeah posted:So what do you want exactly? Traditional gender roles are not good enough, and to a very significant degree are what we still have. Complete equality is what I want, but I can plainly see that we do not even remotely have it yet. It would be a good start to achieve that. From then, there is much to be desired when it comes to the general wellbeing of all people. I might be happy if that was also fixed.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:18
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OhYeah posted:So what do you want exactly? Equality of aggregate experiences.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:19
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steinrokkan posted:You should have an unconditional respect for the divergent indigenous cultures of other peoples. Hell hath no fury like a progressive scorned. OwlFancier posted:Complete equality is what I want, but I can plainly see that we do not even remotely have it yet. It would be a good start to achieve that. From then, there is much to be desired when it comes to the general wellbeing of all people. I might be happy if that was also fixed. You do understand that complete equality means you'll get massive bollocking from the opposite sex on a regular basis?
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Mar 6, 2016 23:21
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OhYeah posted:You do understand that complete equality means you'll get massive bollocking from the opposite sex on a regular basis? ... Why?
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Mar 6, 2016 23:21
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OwlFancier posted:... Because men treat women more softly than they do other men? If I would converse with women the same way I talked to my male colleagues there would be a lot of crying in the office every day. I don't really think you want complete equality. I think you want special treatment. There is nothing wrong with that, because the majority of men love making women happy. So... not the same, but equal. If it makes sense.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:29
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OhYeah posted:Because men treat women more softly than they do other men? If I would converse with women the same way I talked to my male colleagues there would be a lot of crying in the office every day. I don't really think you want complete equality. I think you want special treatment. There is nothing wrong with that, because the majority of men love making women happy. Uhhh go take a Gender Studies in Film course. If you'd read just any of the dozens of feminist critiques of the Moomin Troll cartoons you'd know that this is a problematic generalization. Dirty white male pig.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:32
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So any news in European politics recently?
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Mar 6, 2016 23:32
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The Belgian posted:So any news in European politics recently? GaussianCopula tried that strategy a few pages ago, it lasted for about 10 posts.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:33
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OhYeah posted:Because men treat women more softly than they do other men? If I would converse with women the same way I talked to my male colleagues there would be a lot of crying in the office every day. I know that you think that this is an illumination of a fundamental difference between the sexes, but it kind of just makes you sound like an rear end in a top hat.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:34
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OhYeah posted:Because men treat women more softly than they do other men? If I would converse with women the same way I talked to my male colleagues there would be a lot of crying in the office every day. I don't really think you want complete equality. I think you want special treatment. There is nothing wrong with that, because the majority of men love making women happy. You're operating under the assumption I'm female, aren't you.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:35
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OhYeah posted:Because men treat women more softly than they do other men? It's called being condescending.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:36
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Geriatric Pirate posted:GaussianCopula tried that strategy a few pages ago, it lasted for about 10 posts. More like 10 seconds. GrumpyDoctor posted:I know that you think that this is an illumination of a fundamental difference between the sexes, but it kind of just makes you sound like an rear end in a top hat. You are just grasping at straws now, mate.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:36
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OwlFancier posted:You're operating under the assumption I'm female, aren't you. You know what, I don't really know. Some of your posts kind of gave me an impression that you might be a girl, but I'm really not sure. If you feel like sharing this information, go ahead. steinrokkan posted:It's called being condescending. How come? Men and women react to different things differently. There are also exceptions of course. I like to get along with people because life's easier for everyone that way. So I always choose the style which best fits the person I'm talking with.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:41
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OhYeah posted:You know what, I don't really know. Some of your posts kind of gave me an impression that you might be a girl, but I'm really not sure. If you feel like sharing this information, go ahead. I'm a dude. I really don't stand to benefit from men "treating women softly".
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Mar 6, 2016 23:42
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OwlFancier posted:I'm a dude. I really don't stand to benefit from men "treating women softly". Come to think of it, there are plenty of exceptions to the rule. I know many women who like banter and really crude humour and I know plenty of dudes who are quite sensitive.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:56
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OhYeah posted:Because men treat women more softly than they do other men? If I would converse with women the same way I talked to my male colleagues there would be a lot of crying in the office every day. I don't really think you want complete equality. I think you want special treatment. There is nothing wrong with that, because the majority of men love making women happy.
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OhYeah posted:Come to think of it, there are plenty of exceptions to the rule. I know many women who like banter and really crude humour and I know plenty of dudes who are quite sensitive. I find men to be overwhelmingly deficient in conversation and would not generally attempt to engage them in anything but the most basic pleasantries.
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Mar 6, 2016 23:58
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Geriatric Pirate posted:Uhhh go take a Gender Studies in Film course. lol
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The Belgian posted:So any news in European politics recently? Saxony has some trouble with a "problem wolf" right now. The wolf has lost any fear of humans and has been seen following around people, looking all shifty and like he is up to no good. Once he was sighted sleeping at the fence of a refugee center! The wildlife ministry has put out an APB on the wolf and was looking for it all day with a plane. Turns out that he has a transmitter implanted and it's strong enough to be picked up from the plane, so they just circled around different forests all day with it. I'll keep the thread informed on any new developments, but they probably stopped the search for the night, because it's too dark to see the forests. http://m.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/natur/a-1080936.html
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Mar 6, 2016 23:59
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OhYeah posted:1. Wage gap: women choose jobs that pay less and stay out of the labour market for longer. Compare similarly educated men and women at the same position and the wage gap is within the margin of error. In some countries there are certain demographics where women outearn men (total earnings, not counting any of the details). Absolute bollocks. In most Western countries it is *illegal* to pay women and men a different wage for the same job. i bet you're a lovely parent and i feel sorry for your daughter
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OwlFancier posted:I find men to be overwhelmingly deficient in conversation and would not generally attempt to engage them in anything but the most basic pleasantries. Your taste in men is horrible. Got it.
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My taste in men is pretty good because I avoid them. If perhaps they were more socially expected to be able to talk about interesting things, they might be less unpleasant to talk to, on the whole. Truly there is no better argument for feminism.
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waitwhatno posted:this thread wasn't exactly nice or bearable before, but it was a thread. but then the immigrants showed up, first it was the fins and then the eastern europeans. that's when it all went to poo poo. too many of them, too fast and we just couldn't assimilate them into western culture fast enough. cry for this thread. The funny thing is it really does seem like the post-Soyuz countries have produced the worst socially-educated of our posters, but then I remember people like you and I believe Cat Mattress are posting regularly and aren't total shitbags. I guess when you've grown up being told to blame THOSE loving COMMUNISTS for all the evils in the world it's easy for the unintelligent to assume it's always the bloody lefties to blame.
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OwlFancier posted:My taste in men is pretty good because I avoid them. things like mlp?
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OwlFancier posted:My taste in men is pretty good because I avoid them. I legitimately pity you.
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OwlFancier posted:I find men to be overwhelmingly deficient in conversation and would not generally attempt to engage them in anything but the most basic pleasantries. I actually laughed at this, well done. sudo rm -rf posted:i bet you're a lovely parent and i feel sorry for your daughter My daughter is awesome. She is probably finishing high school with the silver medal, she speaks four languages, plays two instruments and sings and is on top of her class. Never got into any trouble in her life, has a really quirky and dry sense of humour. Guess where she got that from?
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OhYeah posted:My daughter is awesome. She is probably finishing high school with the silver medal, she speaks four languages, plays two instruments and sings and is on top of her class. Never got into any trouble in her life, has a really quirky and dry sense of humour. Guess where she got that from? Her teachers.
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OhYeah posted:My daughter is awesome. She is probably finishing high school with the silver medal, she speaks four languages, plays two instruments and sings and is on top of her class. Never got into any trouble in her life, has a really quirky and dry sense of humour. Guess where she got that from? Her own effort, most probably.
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OwlFancier posted:My taste in men is pretty good because I avoid them. I didn't realize I was dealing with an autist, sorry for being harsh on you in the past.
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sudo rm -rf posted:i bet you're a lovely parent and i feel sorry for your daughter You disagree with me in a really milquetoast and civil manner ->You are literally a human monster, and you don't deserve to lve This is why nobody takes progressives seriously.
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steinrokkan posted:I diodn't realize I was dealing with an autist, sorry for being harsh on you in the past. It's getting worrying how many of you are taking sarcasm at face value because it's parodying what you expect them to say.
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steinrokkan posted:You disagree with me in a really milquetoast and civil manner ->You are literally a human monster, and you don't deserve to lve That's not what milquetoast means, nor a particularly 'civil' form of discourse. All that was said was the positions put forward make the person a lovely parent, which you failed to counter with anything more than crying about it. They said nothing of whether they deserved to live, stop imagining things through the tears. This is why nobody takes idiots seriously.
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Tesseraction posted:It's getting worrying how many of you are taking sarcasm at face value because it's parodying what you expect them to say. It's not sarcasm when it's something I've heard / read being uttered seriously before.
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