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Happy Noodle Boy posted:So the story of Fury looking for a replacement was actually Uatu looking for a replacement. Does that mean that when Fury decides to retire as watcher Bucky gets the job? I also wonder what Cap is going to do when he finds out what Bucky is up to.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:Maybe Watcher-Fury can hang out with Odin and be grumpy old men. "I ever tell you about the time I rode a rocket cycle through a wall?" "Ugh, not this again..."
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Sep 5, 2014 20:35
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Speaking of ham-fisted attempts to get Samuel L Jackson into 616, didn't they try that by having Ultimate Fury stay in 616 during the 616/Ultiverse/Supreme Powerverse crossover?
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Sep 5, 2014 20:55
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Iggles posted:Speaking of ham-fisted attempts to get Samuel L Jackson into 616, didn't they try that by having Ultimate Fury stay in 616 during the 616/Ultiverse/Supreme Powerverse crossover? There never was a 616/Ultiverse/Supreme Powerverse crossover. It was only a Ultiverse/Supreme Powerverse crossover.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:01
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Waterhaul posted:Off the top of my head Also, Deadpool's daughter is still alive and, while we don't know the details, Deadpool killed his own parents. Waterhaul posted:Fury was dying and Uatu wanted Fury to take his place. He knew if he summoned some bad dudes, like the Orb and Midas to his base, that Fury would show up given the stakes. He was fed up of watching, had seen his own death and accepted that his time had come. He'd also seen everything that Fury had done and knew that Fury would be the right replacement. Maybe I read it wrong, but I saw it as Uatu being completely disgusted with Fury's actions, regularly committing genocide for the greater good. Since Uatu can't interfere outright, he puts events in motion that expose Fury at the cost of his own life. He simply couldn't go on living with the knowledge that he was letting Fury get away with everything.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:18
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Gavok posted:Maybe I read it wrong, but I saw it as Uatu being completely disgusted with Fury's actions, regularly committing genocide for the greater good. Since Uatu can't interfere outright, he puts events in motion that expose Fury at the cost of his own life. He simply couldn't go on living with the knowledge that he was letting Fury get away with everything. Yet Fury had a replacement so he died for nothing. I wonder if Bucky will be doing the same job but differently.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:30
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bobkatt013 posted:Yet Fury had a replacement so he died for nothing. I wonder if Bucky will be doing the same job but differently. Not for nothing. Fury received a fitting punishment for his crimes.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:39
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Wasn't Fury "on the wall" for like 60 years? Pretty lovely job by The Watcher.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:45
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Aphrodite posted:Wasn't Fury "on the wall" for like 60 years? Pretty lovely job by The Watcher. When hasn't he been lovely at his job? Do not interfere. Hey Fantastic Four I am going to try to protect Earth and when that does not work I will tell you how to beat Galactus.
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Sep 5, 2014 21:47
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Aphrodite posted:Wasn't Fury "on the wall" for like 60 years? Pretty lovely job by The Watcher. Yeah that's the part of it that kind of falls apart with me. Especially since events came around from Watcher seeing his own death happen in the future. Fury being chained to the moon and forced to not interfere is clearly a punishment from him, presumably from the council of Watchers.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:04
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Aphrodite posted:Wasn't Fury "on the wall" for like 60 years? Pretty lovely job by The Watcher. I can see it as less simply stopping him and more about exposing him. Fury was dying and nobody was going to know what he did. The one plus for Uatu when it comes to Bucky is that his actions aren't going to be as secretive in the long run because certain people are going to be more familiar with what he's doing. He WILL be discovered.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:34
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Gavok posted:I can see it as less simply stopping him and more about exposing him. Fury was dying and nobody was going to know what he did. If people are already not aware of what he is doing. I am also sort of disappointed that the eye did not return Black Widows memories of Bucky.
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Sep 5, 2014 22:36
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The whole thing just seems weird to me. I mean Uatu just had a kid with a fem-watcher, so I can't see him being all "GRAH END IT ALL NOW".
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Sep 5, 2014 22:59
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The whole thing just seems weird to me. I mean Uatu just had a kid with a fem-watcher, so I can't see him being all "GRAH END IT ALL NOW". Conservation of Watchers. To make a new Watcher an old Watcher must die, or summat. (it's as good a reason as any)
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Sep 5, 2014 23:03
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Someone's going to have to explain to me why what Nick Fury was doing was wrong and how he committed crimes. He literally has been saving the world for 60 years on the weekends.
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Sep 5, 2014 23:59
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I think the issue was that Fury was taking preemptive action. So he was killing people/things before they actually did anything wrong.
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muscles like this? posted:I think the issue was that Fury was taking preemptive action. So he was killing people/things before they actually did anything wrong. Yeah, he was going around killing people/ monsters/ aliens/ gods for just making threats, not even waiting for them to take actions. He even showed that he was willing to kill people who he just considered might be threats. Like he was prepared to kill a rookie Spider-Man, before he had a change of mind. Who knows how many potential heroes he decided to gun down? The Original Sins issue where he talks to Duggan perfectly sums up how messed up what Fury was doing.
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Sep 6, 2014 00:33
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Come on, he was literally bursting trough invasion portals before shooting the guys who were saying "okay it's time to invade Earth right now, everyone get your invasion lunches packed." He had a pretty good reason.
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Sep 6, 2014 01:43
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wiegieman posted:Come on, he was literally bursting trough invasion portals before shooting the guys who were saying "okay it's time to invade Earth right now, everyone get your invasion lunches packed." He had a pretty good reason. True, but I think it's important to mention that as readers we all expect Fury to be written to know and have the correct judgement on things (well also cause he's Fury). So if Fury says it has to be done, eh he's probably right cause he's usually written that way. But from the in-universe perspective, it's reasonable for the people to consider Fury's actions as heinous and unjustifiable because they don't have that kind of fourth wall breaking knowledge.
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Sep 6, 2014 02:48
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The whole thing just seems weird to me. I mean Uatu just had a kid with a fem-watcher, so I can't see him being all "GRAH END IT ALL NOW". I don't think he had a choice, like it was a he'd seen it happen so it had to happen Doc Manhattan deal, maybe. Aaron's good a dumb fun but any more complicated then that it kinda falls flat.
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Sep 6, 2014 05:04
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I don't think Fury's fate is as bitter a pill as people are making it out to be. If anything, the Watchers granted him his last wish: to bear witness to the Earth surviving, just so he'd know his entire life was worth it. Of course, giving him cosmic awareness and all that other mojo, Fury would start on an interference streak that would make Uatu look like an absolute non-entity, hence he's chained up. Fury will probably end up being a better Watcher than Uatu ever was, just because the actual Watchers can control him.
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First Bass posted:I don't think Fury's fate is as bitter a pill as people are making it out to be. If anything, the Watchers granted him his last wish: to bear witness to the Earth surviving, just so he'd know his entire life was worth it. Of course, giving him cosmic awareness and all that other mojo, Fury would start on an interference streak that would make Uatu look like an absolute non-entity, hence he's chained up. Fury will probably end up being a better Watcher than Uatu ever was, just because the actual Watchers can control him. The thing is, The Watcher is only interesting when he violates his rule about not interfering, because other wise why are you devoting any space in a 22 page book who literally has no influence on events.
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Sep 6, 2014 08:14
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wiegieman posted:Come on, he was literally bursting trough invasion portals before shooting the guys who were saying "okay it's time to invade Earth right now, everyone get your invasion lunches packed." He had a pretty good reason. Oh, I'm not saying most of them weren't justified. It's just the one where the Moloids lead him down to shoot the big monster underground because he was talking about how he'd like to smash New York, I see as symptomatic of how he was loosing it. Shooting the general to an army that is about to cross a boarder, dodgy but I can understand. Busting into someone's house because their neighbours thought they heard him say "I'm so mad, I could kill someone.", that's kind of terrifying. Then you had the examples of him being prepared to cap Spider-Man, simply because he'd been getting bad press coverage.
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My only real problem with this event is that things didn't seem to be resolved at all. Fury's chained up on the moon, and I doubt that no one is going to find out and try to release him. Plus, you saw that all the villains got away and are still fulfilling their agendas. Especially the Orb, who seems to be another Watcher, but one that will announce that he is watching you, especially if you are committing crimes. Are the heroes suddenly not going to care if he's still walking around with one of the Watcher's eyes? It almost feels like this was the opening arch, not the conclusion of one.
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Skwirl posted:The thing is, The Watcher is only interesting when he violates his rule about not interfering, because other wise why are you devoting any space in a 22 page book who literally has no influence on events. If anyone could weasel their way around the "no interference" rule, it'd be Nick Fury. He seems a sufficiently clever sort.
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IUG posted:Plus, you saw that all the villains got away and are still fulfilling their agendas. Dr. Midas totally died. Sure they can have him come back using super-science on that one cutoff hand I guess, but dude was pretty clearly toast at the end.
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TwoPair posted:Dr. Midas totally died. Sure they can have him come back using super-science on that one cutoff hand I guess, but dude was pretty clearly toast at the end. Eh, Fury survived, even after seeing his "sack of blood" or whatever Captain America put it as. We didn't even see his body. EDIT: Sack of bloody stew. Also for Midas, but he said that "proves" Fury is dead. He's a poet, not a crime scene investigator. IUG fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Sep 6, 2014 |
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Sep 6, 2014 16:52
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Oh, he is 100% going to be regrown or cloned from that cut-off hand. What should be the case with Fury is that nobody can see him, even if they wanted him to. It's more of a punishment if you can't make yourself appear wherever you want and have a little chat with whoever.
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Sep 6, 2014 18:31
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Midas is a low enough tier villain he's probably just going to stay dead. Fury did leave a meaty chunk stew and is now in some watcher provided near omniscient and undetectable, possibly untouchable, body.
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Sep 6, 2014 18:45
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I hope we get some resolution to what Fury said to Thor.
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notthegoatseguy posted:I hope we get some resolution to what Fury said to Thor. "She was actually under-age." Oh snap! I hope we eventually get Val Hallen to replace him.
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Sep 6, 2014 19:50
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notthegoatseguy posted:I hope we get some resolution to what Fury said to Thor. Oh you mean you hope the thing that's setting off the next major Thor arc by the same writer gets resolved? I think it's a safe bet.
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Sep 6, 2014 19:51
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And is explicitly said to be covered in the next issue.
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Sep 6, 2014 20:11
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Aphrodite posted:And is explicitly said to be covered in the next issue. Is there a 9 of 8, or some kind of epilogue issue?
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Sep 6, 2014 22:05
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Next (and final) issue of Thor: God of Thunder, I mean. It comes out in a week and a half. Then 2 weeks after that is the first issue of just "Thor".
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Sep 6, 2014 22:10
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Original Sin is a complete story. Someone killed the Watcher and made an elaborate treasure hunt game for some reason. (It was Fury, he did it to find his intergalactic super spy replacement as he was dying). Everything other than that is an epilogue.
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Skwirl posted:The thing is, The Watcher is only interesting when he violates his rule about not interfering, because other wise why are you devoting any space in a 22 page book who literally has no influence on events.
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I'm surprised nobody brought up the idea that the Watcher being replaced by the Unseen might have something to do with movie rights.
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Die Laughing posted:I'm surprised nobody brought up the idea that the Watcher being replaced by the Unseen might have something to do with movie rights. Like is Uatu an FF character?
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