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SalTheBard posted:Why... Why can't ASM be good? Spidey is my favorite comic book character. The comic has gone on for too long with too much old baggage from bad or badly edited writers. Ultimate proved (until Ultimatum) that the characters can still be good, if handled with some more care and given a somewhat clean slate.
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Don't buy Giant-Sized Spider Man. That is all
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May 29, 2014 00:09
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evilmiera posted:The comic has gone on for too long with too much old baggage from bad or badly edited writers. Ultimate proved (until Ultimatum) that the characters can still be good, if handled with some more care and given a somewhat clean slate. "Too much old baggage" has very little to do with it. Rehabilitating characters and starting from a somewhat clean slate are trivially easy things to do in comics, even without reality-altering retcons. It's the bad writers and the fans who refuse to stop giving them money for their lovely work that are the problem.
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May 29, 2014 00:34
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Benedick Cuckold posted:"Too much old baggage" has very little to do with it. Rehabilitating characters and starting from a somewhat clean slate are trivially easy things to do in comics, even without reality-altering retcons. It's the bad writers and the fans who refuse to stop giving them money for their lovely work that are the problem. Don't forget the bad editors who put out strange edicts about the character's age and relationship status but don't seem to care about anything else the writers do.
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May 29, 2014 00:41
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SalTheBard posted:Don't buy Giant-Sized Spider Man. That is all Any particular reason? Also ASM from last week, holy poo poo the writing is even worse than brand new day. "Herp we're gonna pause our money making thing so we can defeat electro and make a new super villain prison derp, by the way not spider-man"
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May 29, 2014 02:04
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Lurdiak posted:Don't forget the bad editors who put out strange edicts about the character's age and relationship status but don't seem to care about anything else the writers do. I mostly agree with you but I can't really blame them for preferring that Spider-Man not be middle-aged.
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May 29, 2014 02:38
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Benedick Cuckold posted:I mostly agree with you but I can't really blame them for preferring that Spider-Man not be middle-aged. They haven't actually changed his age, they just want him to act like he is still in high school. While in his late twenties.
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May 29, 2014 02:44
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Benedick Cuckold posted:I mostly agree with you but I can't really blame them for preferring that Spider-Man not be middle-aged. I still don't get how being married equals being middle-aged. Or having a stable job and kid for that matter. Those are things that people in their twenties and thirties have, and Peter hasn't been in High School for almost fifty years. Hell he hasn't really been in college for thirty.
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May 29, 2014 03:17
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Facepalm Ranger posted:Any particular reason I didn't like it. It's a retelling of his origin and then retellings of his first fights with Vulture, Doc Ock and Sandman. Nothing offensive but not worth $5.
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May 29, 2014 03:44
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SalTheBard posted:I didn't like it. It's a retelling of his origin and then retellings of his first fights with Vulture, Doc Ock and Sandman. Nothing offensive but not worth $5. You could reprint the original comics in a single giant-size issue and save both money and time.
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May 29, 2014 03:56
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Jesus, between this and Learning to Crawl, they're really getting their money's worth out of one of the most well-known and overtold origin stories in superhero history.
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May 29, 2014 08:12
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I for one would love to read a current in-continuity book about a middle aged, divorced, deadbeat dad Spider-man that--wait...I just described a Cyclops story didn't I?
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May 29, 2014 09:16
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Jason Ray posted:I for one would love to read a current in-continuity book about a middle aged, divorced, deadbeat dad Spider-man that--wait...I just described a Cyclops story didn't I? Modern burn-out Cyclops is great so I'm gonna say I support this. Just pull a reverse OMD and get a young thirties married with a kid Spider-man barely supporting his family. Or hell, MJ is a supermodel so maybe Peter's job doesn't even matter that much.
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May 29, 2014 13:14
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I know people around here don't look kindly on DeFalco's Spider-girl, but Peter as a CSU officer was a really good fit for his skillset and sense of justice.
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May 29, 2014 21:16
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Learning to Crawl is going to be such a huge loving failure. It's not sell worth a poo poo anywhere that I've seen. It's literally the book nobody asked for.
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May 29, 2014 21:25
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I know it must have sounded like a clever title, but it just makes Spider-Man sound like a baby.
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May 29, 2014 21:31
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Rhyno posted:Learning to Crawl is going to be such a huge loving failure. It's not sell worth a poo poo anywhere that I've seen. It's literally the book nobody asked for. Do any origin retellings sell well?
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May 29, 2014 22:30
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I just wish they'd put out more Untold Tales instead. But I guess that's the literal opposite of trying to "modernize" the character's early years, since those books were deliberately written and drawn like 60s comics.
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May 29, 2014 22:32
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WickedHate posted:Do any origin retellings sell well? Green Arrow: Year One. Simply because his origin was mostly an obscure piece of trivia. So no matter how many copies it sold, it was bound to be more than O.
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May 29, 2014 22:34
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Year Zero is selling tons on Batman.
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May 29, 2014 22:42
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:Year Zero is selling tons on Batman. Everything sells tons with Batman.
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Spider-Woman: Origin sold ok. 24 101.27 SPIDER-WOMAN ORIGIN #1 (Of 5)* $2.99 MAR 63,953 35 70.03 SPIDER-WOMAN ORIGIN #2 (Of 5) $2.99 MAR 43,684 43 61.03 SPIDER-WOMAN ORIGIN #3 (Of 5) $2.99 MAR 40,553 55 56.97 SPIDER-WOMAN ORIGIN #4 (Of 5) $2.99 MAR 39,768 52 52.96 SPIDER-WOMAN ORIGIN #5 (Of 5) $2.99 MAR 38,602 I think it depends on the origin story, really. Again, Spider-Woman had a bit of a confusing origin involving a few retcons, so the appeal of this series was to just set it out. Like people have said, we don't need a retelling of Spider-Man's origin. We already have the definitive one.
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Zore posted:I still don't get how being married equals being middle-aged. I wasn't talking about the marriage part, really. But yes, being married and having a kid are generally seen as milestones in life that age you. I would love to read stories about Spider-Man that include him having a wife and kids, and in fact that's why I liked the old Spider-Girl series. But they aren't really things that are conducive to a mainline continuity designed to last for decades and remain amenable to whatever innovations and changes to the character's status quo the editors want. Whichever editor said Spider-Man is about youth wasn't really wrong. And marriage and children aren't a part of youth. They're things that are supposed to signify that you've basically figured your life out, more or less, and that's kind of anathema to the spirit of the character. Maybe this is just a problem with wanting characters to last indefinitely. But the way I see it, you either concede that Peter is never going to fully grow up or you set a permanent end date for the character, wrap up his story for good, and introduce a new character to fully and completely take on the mantle for the foreseeable future. But I doubt that's going to happen any time soon.
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May 29, 2014 23:27
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How was Spider-Man Season One? The Thor one was pretty good. Better than actual Journey Into Mystery Thor anyway.
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May 29, 2014 23:35
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Giant-Size Spider-Man is horrendous and I recommend it as a curiosity piece. Sixty-something pages of bad art, bad writing, and tired, retread storytelling. Who asked for this?
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Benedick Cuckold posted:I wasn't talking about the marriage part, really. But yes, being married and having a kid are generally seen as milestones in life that age you. I would love to read stories about Spider-Man that include him having a wife and kids, and in fact that's why I liked the old Spider-Girl series. But they aren't really things that are conducive to a mainline continuity designed to last for decades and remain amenable to whatever innovations and changes to the character's status quo the editors want. Whichever editor said Spider-Man is about youth wasn't really wrong. And marriage and children aren't a part of youth. They're things that are supposed to signify that you've basically figured your life out, more or less, and that's kind of anathema to the spirit of the character. Eh it worked for over 20 years. I also don't think it "went against the character" or whatever, the character has bascally two things on the checklist. 1. Power and responsibility. 2. heaps of guilt. Have those and you are fine.
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May 29, 2014 23:42
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Outside of the Lee run, most of the best and most memorable Spider-man stories were written while he was married or engaged to MJ. Death of Jean Dewolff, Kraven's Last Hunt, Harry's death, the list goes on. The only problem existed in some old editors' minds.
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Lurdiak posted:Outside of the Lee run, most of the best and most memorable Spider-man stories were written while he was married or engaged to MJ. Death of Jean Dewolff, Kraven's Last Hunt, Harry's death, the list goes on. The only problem existed in some old editors' minds. Huh, I didn't think Jean Dewolff fell into that category. Yeah and it was nice to have a (main) comic character who was married. If was someonewhat different than normal. I mean now there is the Fantastic Four but their relationship is so dysfunctional I kind of hate them both. CharlestheHammer fucked around with this message at 00:27 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 00:22
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We ordered equal copies of LTC #1 as we did ASM #1 because of a massive incentive from Diamond and Marvel because they knew nobody would buy that poo poo otherwise. I sold out of ASM in 3 days. And 30 additional copies over the next week. We've sold TWO copies of LTC #1. Sadly due to the incentive we can't cut our order on #2 but with #3 we're down to 5 copies for the whole store. Not a single preorder on it. gently caress that comic.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Eh it worked for over 20 years. There's also an "up-and-comer making his way in the world today" angle that Benedick Cuckold is identifying as being "youth", but I don't think it's about youth. You don't have to be a teen in highschool to deal with that.
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Lurdiak posted:Outside of the Lee run, most of the best and most memorable Spider-man stories were written while he was married or engaged to MJ. Death of Jean Dewolff, Kraven's Last Hunt, Harry's death, the list goes on. The only problem existed in some old editors' minds. Master Planner, Tablet of Time, Death of Gwen Stacy, Death of Captain Stacy, Juggernaut's rampage, and all the best Norman Osborn stories were pre-marriage. Edit: And the Hobgoblin stuff, too. Red fucked around with this message at 02:56 on May 30, 2014 |
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May 30, 2014 02:47
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It's nice having the real Superior Foes back now instead of the two fill-ins. Also, New Warriors was great and finally basically what I wanted out of this series. Shame the sales are really bad because it finally seems like it's hit its stride. Much as I think To's a fine capes artist, Roche's bright and cartoony art works way better for the series so it's kind of a shame he's only doing issues 5 and 6.
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XboxPants posted:Modern burn-out Cyclops is great so I'm gonna say I support this. Just pull a reverse OMD and get a young thirties married with a kid Spider-man barely supporting his family. Or hell, MJ is a supermodel so maybe Peter's job doesn't even matter that much. I would buy Spider-Dad so hard. How can Peter make it to his daughter's recital and stop the Shocker from robbing a nearby bank at the same time?! Okay so it would just be a bad 80s sitcom with superhero fights, but isn't that Spidey in a nutshell? Also if you want to enjoy recent Spider-Man, just buy books where he appears but is not the protagonist. He somehow becomes like 1000% better when not in his own book. I wonder why that is. (You could also try reading Marvel Adventures over again and pretending it's new, that works sometimes. Spidey-fans saddest fans  )
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Yinlock posted:I would buy Spider-Dad so hard. How can Peter make it to his daughter's recital and stop the Shocker from robbing a nearby bank at the same time?! This is literally Tom DeFalco's Spider-Girl.
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d00gZ posted:This is literally Tom DeFalco's Spider-Girl. Not really. Peter's retired and missing most of a leg in that. And he has a creepy goatee.
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How about: Full-bearded peter, who's divorced from MJ with a daughter he sees every other weekend. Has to do fatherly things, stop bad guys, still has a poo poo job and currently trying to get back on the dating scene?? Basically "The Amazingly Dead-Beat Spider-Dad"!
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That sounds like Louie with webshooters.
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d00gZ posted:That sounds like Louie with webshooters. I would pre-order the hell out of this.
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d00gZ posted:That sounds like Louie with webshooters. That's a pitch I can get behind. Also kinda makes me wonder what a Louis C.K. written comic would be like.
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