Amazing Spider-Man & Friends Thread: Neogenic Nightmare Part 15 Spider-Verse

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Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Welcome to the All New Amazing Spectacular Spider-Man Thread of ~~2099~~2014.

Previously on Spider-Man.

Short Version: Doc Ock swapped bodies with Peter Parker because and Peter dies. Things got better and now Peter is back.

Longer Version:

Doc Ock is dying from being punched in the head a lot. He swaps body with Spider-Man/Peter Parker so he can live on. Peter dies in Ock's old body.
Doc Ock takes up the mantle of The Superior Spider-Man with the power of being greatly inconsistent depending on the writer. He punches bad dudes, creates his own mini army, tries to recreate The Sinister Six, kills people, saves the innocent, shouts at Aunt May, creates a corporation for Peter Parker to be in charge in, be's a chump.
While this is happening Peter Parker returns as a spooky ghost to haunt Doc Ock.
Doc Ock finds out that Ghost Peter is just a manifestation of remaining Parker memories in his head so deletes them.
Ock is pretty happy being Peter Parker free until he can't save the day. He desperately tries to get Peter Parker's memories back but it doesn't work right.
Unbeknownst to Ock in trying to access Peter Parker's memories he also brought back Ghost Peter, because there were deeper memories? Look shut up. I explained this to a baby and they understood. Are you a baby? Huh.
~Carlie~ Peter Parker's ex girlfriend spends a lot of time putting filler in the book until eventually being kidnapped by a NEW Green Goblin.
Actually scratch that. The Green Goblin is just Norman Osborn, who got some work done, and he proceeds to basically steamroll Ock, turn ~Carlie~ into a Goblin monster, destroy everything Ock has built and steals his girlfriend.
With his girlfriend on the verge of dying Ock freely gives Ghost Peter back his body saying Peter is THE SUPERIOR SPIDER-MAN.
Peter beats Norman by punching him in the face, hard.
Norman runs away, Peter does not think to follow him.
Peter explains to Carlie and Mary Jane that he was bodyswapped that's why he was acting strange. They don't really give a poo poo and tell Peter he's too much drama and they are leaving the book/city. Pete doesn't really care.
Pete is happy to be alive but has to deal with the fact that Ock didn't break up with their girlfriend before giving him back his body.
Also somewhere along that timeline Miguel O Hara ends up being stuck in the present day.

Now with all that out of the way here's to the "current" books.

AMAZING SPIDER-MAN
The adventures of Peter Parker, everybody's favorite man child. He punches bad guys, has constant relationship drama and spins a web any size. How will he contend with a girlfriend he doesn't remember having? Or someone else with spider powers?

Writer: Dan Slott
Artist: Humberto Ramos/Various

Spider-Man 2099
Meet Spider-Man 2099. He's from the year 2099 and stuck in our time! He talks in terrible 80's/90's type slang but he's from the future. Find out how many times the word paradox can be used in this book!

Writer: Peter David
Artist: Will Sliney

The Superior Foes of Spider-Man

The mis-adventures of Boomerang,Shocker and some other chumps. Basically just read through the funny panel thread and you'll see. It's probably the best thing Nick Spencer has done. And that's probably due to the fact that Steve Lieber is on art. Probably ending soon! Probably.

Writer: Nick Spencer*
Artist: Steve Lieber*

*(Or whomever Marvel can get to quickly churn out an issue)

SPIDERVERSE (aka lol if you thought Slott was leaving the book)

You know how Spider-Island was a whole messy event to try and realign the mythical Spider-totem stuff from JMS' run with current Spider-Man? Well this is more of that. Morlun, the bad guy everybody wishes would be forgotten, has returned and is killing of Spider-Men from different universes so they all have to team up like the finale of the 90's cartoon and save the day. Peter Parker, Peter Parker, Peter Parker, Peter Parker, Peter Parker, Miles Morales, Kaine, Ben Reilly, Peter Parker, Peter Parker, Peter Parker, Flash Thompson, Eddie Brock, any Spider-Man that somehow survived a What If?, Manga Spider-Man, Live Action Spider-Man, the Spider-Man from that sentai show in the 70's and some new ones all make an appearance. Amalgam Spider-Boy will not.

Expect a million different tie-ins, new series and mini series involving anybody with a spider themed name.

Tell Me What Books To Read
Do you want to know more about Spider-Man? Just seen the new film and want some good books? Amazing Spider-Man 1-100 by Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, John Romita Sr and Gil Kane is effectively the definitive run of the character and the best it has ever been. Amazing Spider-Man #568 is a good jumping on point if you'd like to read some good, modern comics.

# ¿ Apr 29, 2014 20:32

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 13:48

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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This week has both Amazing Spider-Man #1 and Free Comic Book Day Spider-Man which will be a prequel to Spider-Verse so if you want to read Spider-Man books for like the next year you will probably have to read them!

# ¿ Apr 29, 2014 20:35

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Gatts posted:

Yes but what about Mary Jane...does she get a book?

You got that Jackpot one shot ages ago. That's all you'll ever get (even if it wasn't Mary Jane).

ArmyOfMidgets posted:

There's also Kaine in New Warriors and Venom in Guardians of the Galaxy if that counts maybe. Please buy NW, don't let Kaine die again

When Ben Reilly get's a series then I'll acknowledge Kaine :colbert:

# ¿ Apr 29, 2014 21:23

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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PoshAlligator posted:

Will Spider-Man from the 90s cartoon somehow be involved? If not, I probably won't be picking this up.

They've already said the cartoon ones will make an appearance. Basically everything that isn't some weird legal limbo like Amalgam Spider-Man will show up.

Skwirl posted:

Bagley certainly isn't an artist I would seek out on my own, but you have to realize that for most of that run they were publishing something like 18 issues a year, and Bagley drew them all without tracing a single porn star.

Oh god yes, if anyone could make sense of Spider-Totems and multiversal Spider-Men, it'd be Morrison. Has Morrison ever written Spider-Man, like in a cameo or something?

Morrison has said multiple times that he has nothing to say about the character so has never any interest in doing anything with them. And this was when he was still working with Marvel.

Metal Loaf posted:

I like Bagley; I believe he pencilled Thunderbolts for a while and I liked that a lot.

I associate him so much with the Ultimate Spidey that it was kinda weird to learn he'd been doing art for the main Spider-Man titles in the 1990s, worked on the early Clone Saga and drew the issue with the death of (the actress pretending to be ) Aunt May.

Is it fair to call him a definitive Spider artist, along with Ditko, Romita and Romita, Jr.?

I can't stand Bagley, mostly because every character looks unfinished despite the speed he churns things, but he would probably go in the top 10 list of recognizable Spider-Man artists. Though I wouldn't put him above Ditko,the Romita's or Gil Kane.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2014 09:02

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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A mini isn't really an event.

The issue was alright. Not really terrible, other than Ramos really and the Spider-Man 2099 part reinforcing that I'll be staying far away from the book. Even Giuseppe Camuncoli was a lot better than he's been as of late in the art department.

Main story was standard stuff, Ramos though was rough, especially whenever drawing Mary Jane. At least the girlfriend stuff won't be dragged out too long. No idea why people keep using White Rabbit though. Silk stuff is whatever, it happens every now and again and I doubt she'll hang around much or get shunted off to mini before being sucked into the void of nothingness like Alpha.

Back ups were alright too, giving Electro a power boost/motivations to match film Electro were pretty hilarious pointless but the Rodriguez art was nice. Black Cat bit was good and it's nice to see Felicia have something to do other than try and sleep with Peter. The New Warriors back up was whatever and the Clash stuff was alright too, though I'm a sucker for Lee/Ditko era stuff and the Perez art was good.

So yeah nowhere near the worst Spider-Man stuff and not even the worst stuff Slott has done. If they can keep the artists (other than Ramos) around it shouldn't be too bad. It'd never happen but a Black Cat series or even non Kevin Smith mini coming out of this would be good.

Waterhaul fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Apr 30, 2014

# ¿ Apr 30, 2014 19:36

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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tenniseveryone posted:

A mini that also has a spin-off mini (Original Sins) and tie-in issues across all of the other major titles? That's pretty event-y to me.

Anyways, do we think that Year One storyline is gonna be butts - and presumably connected to Original Sin, what with that relating to Spidey's origin and all - orrrrr...?

Original Sin is the Marvel event. The Spider-Man/Silk arc is a 5 issue issue storyline taking place within Amazing.

# ¿ Apr 30, 2014 20:52

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Well I'm glad it only took to page two for us to establish who hates Slott and the book and has no intention of reading any more!

TwoPair posted:

Did they ever ~~show~~ _{that's the wrong word} reference Anna Maria sleeping with Peter before now? Because I don't remember that happening at all during Superior and find that coming out at the end hi-fuckin'-larious. "Oh hey we hosed guess ya should know"

I love that the entire issue is devoted to "Hey here's how everything in Peter's life is pretty well off right now and absolutely everything is going to fall apart very shortly because Peter is not Ock."

It being Marvel, and especially after the Chameleon stuff, you can wait another week or so (maybe less) and there will be a statement of how they didn't actually sleep together and you're gross for thinking that.

# ¿ May 1, 2014 08:30

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SirDan3k posted:

Yes people who want to know what's going on with spider-man and not monetarily reward Marvel for keeping Slott on read the Spider-Man thread. Mostly in hopes of hearing that Slott was overcome by the need to only write independent original characters for Image or got his time consuming dream job of writing Dr Who or is abandoning comics to pursue his dream of professional line dancing.

Or maybe I just want to hear how he'll scramble to stay on his unsinkable boat again when marvel goes for another shake up "Spider-man is taken over by uh, um... the Hypno Hustler, that means I get to stay on because I'm not really writing Spider-man anymore!"

I will give you spoilers. Dan Slott is going to continue to write as he always does, this won't change. He's also going to be on the book for another year and Marvel feel no need to toss him because the book is selling consistently well.

# ¿ May 1, 2014 09:27

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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It's not their best selling book overall but it is the most consistent. It stays in the top 10 along with event books/.NOW issues and new #1s despite having multiple issues a month and Amazing Spider-Man #1 had 500,000 copies reserved by retailers. Whether it sells that many is still to be seen but even if only sells half it will completely eclipse even its closest competition.

# ¿ May 1, 2014 11:12

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PoshAlligator posted:

100x better than Slott's fart jokes, a weird unnatural scene where Pete and MJ laugh at him asking to move in, and then him magically getting a job at a science place because he can make up a complex equation while trying to switch a machine off or something.

Just reading Big Time. Not feeling it.

Got that and Spider-Island super cheap from Comixology.

Spider-Man's stuff is the best thing about Civil War.

Man Slott has had a lot of dumb stuff but I don't think even he has had something as dumb as Peter getting paranoid because Iron Man knows about his Spider-Sense or having Tony and Peter break the fourth wall to call the audience dumb nerds.

# ¿ May 6, 2014 08:49

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Classtoise posted:

I'm gonna have to stop you right there if you're gonna start mocking that scene that was a shot at pedantic nerds who wanna know how someone mended a broken bone when her husband is best friends with like 9 super scientists.

Nah I'm mocking the fact that JMS got in a strop because he obviously forget her arm was broken and did his usual whining when people called him out on it so had to include that scene in the book. At least Slott keeps his complaining to twitter.

# ¿ May 6, 2014 09:14

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Timeless Appeal posted:

I think you're making that page sound a lot more mean spirited than it was. I felt like JMS was making fun of himself more than anything.

I'd accept it as just a very dumb joke if the norm wasn't JMS throwing hissy fits all the time when he gets called out on things.

# ¿ May 6, 2014 12:21

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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coconono posted:

I'm reading Deadpool vs. Carnage and its come to me. I've never read a good Carnage story. Do they exist?

Yes.

They are written by Zeb Wells and called Carnage: Family Feud and Carnage U.S.A. This first series was going to be Astonishing Spider-Man and Iron Man but it's all basically Carnage.

# ¿ May 9, 2014 15:16

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Superior Foes could exist without Superior Spider-Man, well Spock is coming back for a bit to prelude Spider-Verse, but Superior Foes isn't going to exist longer because it doesn't sell well.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 14:16

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Oh hey actually talking about the books that are out this issue basically wrapped up all of the secret identity stuff/mind swapness with as little creepiness as possible. Including the Ana-Marie stuff and it's all done straight forward with no confusion.

In fact i'd say it's probably a better issue than #1 even if already the forced Electro stuff feels dated.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 21:05

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Gatts posted:

You know as much as I'd like it to be MJ and for her character to get respect or move on and get her own series I kinda want that chick and the real Peter to continue on for a bit. She's had a bad deal.

I'd rather herself and Peter don't hook up given how messed up her life has been. Though i'll be happy for her not turning evil since that seems the most likely outcome for them.

# ¿ May 21, 2014 21:50

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Yuck.

That book wishes it could be Spider-Man: Reign. Though I weep for any 100 year book coming out with the knowledge that Stokoe is doing his thing with Avengers.

# ¿ Jun 10, 2014 19:45

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Schneider Heim posted:

Edge of Spider-Verse stuff

I am pretty drat hyped for Gwen as a Spider-person. That hoodie! Has this been done before?

Ahem. It is scientific proof that Spider People with hoodies are always the best :colbert:

# ¿ Jun 11, 2014 08:37

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PoshAlligator posted:

The whole concept of Spider-Gwen is the most interesting and refreshing Spider-Man in recent years.

But it will likely be terrible.

But they all the tie-ins have decent to good creative teams?

# ¿ Jun 11, 2014 12:40

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notthegoatseguy posted:

Lee himself wrote that story. Would he really wanna retread it?

His brother that does newspaper spider-man might :v:

# ¿ Jun 13, 2014 12:59

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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I thought it was alright. The Black Cat stuff is pretty forced to keep her "a bad guy" but other than that it was fine. Main issue is just the pacing of the relaunch. Relaunch Amazing to much hype and then fill it out with constant flash backs and "new villains" who are just killing time till Spider-Verse starts.

And I really hate the Spider-Totem stuff.

# ¿ Jun 26, 2014 19:26

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Facepalm Ranger posted:

Reading family business at the moment. Holy poo poo, it's the best modern spidey story I've read in a long time!

Get waid on amazing!

He was. For multiple years.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2014 17:56

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notthegoatseguy posted:

Waid came on halfway roughly through BND but I think it is different working as a team of writers who take turns taking the lead versus doing it solo.

I, for example, hated Waid's last story in BND which was the very last story. With Ock and everyone chasing after Mystery Goblin baby. There were some good character moments here and there but for the most part, it went on too long, the conclusion was a let down, and it felt like it was a rush job to solve a bunch of sub plots that other writers had failed to resolve earlier.

It also had some of the worst loving art I've ever seen.

But I think a Waid solo Spider-Man run could be different, working on his own rather than as a team. I mean we see it here in this run. I'd say Slott's BND stories were much better with a team than his solo stuff.

That all being said, I thought Family Business was pretty cool but not outstanding. It's a nice Roger Stern-ish type piece with some great art. And it was nice seeing Kingpin in a more cartoonish villain role rather than a criminal empire role.

There is a difference between a single writers vision and a team vision but I wouldn't expect more from Waid. The Electro story for example is straight up what he's been doing in Daredevil just a few years earlier. It's just people for the most part care less about Daredevils cast.

# ¿ Jul 3, 2014 19:49

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bobkatt013 posted:

I would say its Hopeless since Bunn already has 3 big 2 books plus his image work.

Well hopeless does perfectly describe the books chances of being good or making it into double digits.

# ¿ Jul 7, 2014 18:24

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Senor Candle posted:

I'm just saying putting Greg Land on a book isn't the mark of death you guys seem to think it is, as much as it should be.

Land isn't a death mark (though it should be) but a female solo title for a D list character spinning off from a mini event with a lackluster creative team is. There's a reason Hopeless and Bunn constantly get their books cancelled (cos they are neither good nor can get a following).

# ¿ Jul 8, 2014 10:32

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Well it was Joe Kelly that killed off Mattie Franklin but please no Slott don't kill MayDay Parker, anybody but her. J2 won't be able to go on.

# ¿ Jul 16, 2014 14:08

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Don't make me post pictures of J2, Darkdevil, Wild Thing, Sabreclaw and so on.

# ¿ Jul 17, 2014 08:31

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The tie-ins at the very least should be fun.

Also at SDCC Marvel basically said they'll be including any Spider-Man not owned by Sony.

# ¿ Jul 25, 2014 22:24

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Why couldn't Bendis and Maleev just stayed on and given us Spider-Woman: Alien Hunter.

# ¿ Jul 27, 2014 21:40

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Avengers 100 is what you wish big 2 comics will become. Spider-Man/X-Men 100 is what they will become.

# ¿ Jul 30, 2014 20:48

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Scarlet Spiders was announced a long time ago and discussed in this here thread.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 19:29

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Shinjobi posted:

Well gently caress me for missing out. I'm excited.

I hope it's good. There are plenty of Spider characters that can be integrated into regular continuity/an interesting line built around the concept of Spider-Verse but the creative teams announced for everything doesn't really inspire me with much confidence.

# ¿ Aug 19, 2014 19:38

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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A Spider-Woman series where she's being integrated into the Spider-Man books (because?) done by Hopeless, Land and Manara doing some covers.

Even hatin' on Bendis I can't think of a bigger drop in quality between series. It's a shame that Wacker left the Spider books behind.

# ¿ Aug 20, 2014 11:48

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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The only way Spider-Gwen could properly exist as an ongoing would be in a MC2 style world where it's the only book, which isn't going to happen.

PoshAlligator posted:

Does anyone know what happened between them?

Spider-Gwen is the best thing to happen to Spider-Man since (...?). Watch it disappear quickly when she sacrifices her like to save 616 Peter because he is the "true" Spider-Man or something.

Wright spent ten years working on an Ant Man film which was to be a stand alone fun adventure. Marvel kept ripping up his scripts telling him to incorporate more SHIELD and "cross universe" stuff. Eventually after telling him they were just going to redo his entire script Wright and a bunch of cast and crew walked.

# ¿ Sep 21, 2014 19:57

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Again removing Spider-Gwen from the universe they've established completely removes 99% of the characters point and the interesting aspect of her. It's just the same as moving Miles to 616.

# ¿ Oct 4, 2014 12:42

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The Goon posted:

They're replacing Peter again?

What does it say about the way your flagship character is written that they can't even keep him in his own drat book for less than a year before switching him out again? Goddammit Marvel.

Spider-Gwen, She-Thor, Falcap, Ter'rist Cyclops, rear end in a top hat Tony, Illuminati on the run....more and more I'm thinking Marvel is throwing everything against the wall to see what sticks before doing a full-on 616 reboot.

Please don't believe things Rich Johnston says. Please don't believe that any main character changes are anything other than temporary sales boosts.

# ¿ Oct 5, 2014 12:08

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The Goon posted:

They apparently just announced the cancellation of Fantastic Four as well. I'm saying that they're making a helluva lot of major changes to their major characters all at the same time, and it points to something going on because there is no way that any of this is permanent. Is it nonsense to point it out? Just because Marvel's never done it before doesn't preclude them from ever doing it in the future.

Or maybe they're going to do something no one expects, like an inverse ultimate universe creation event, where a new world becomes the main Marvel universe with movie-aligned franchise headers while the 616 becomes the new alternate universe. Something is up though.

It's nonsense. The "cancelling" Fantastic Four and devaluing them from a marketing standpoint is all to do with not owning the film rights and nothing to do with preparing for a reboot. It's the same way there's currently no X-Men cartoons, all Disney marketing.

# ¿ Oct 6, 2014 07:02

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Slott: Here's an event where an evil Spider-Vampire is going to go between Spider Universes until he gets to 616, killing and devouring people to gain powers/strength. This is clearly the beginning of the story where things will change and have "shocking reveals" which will be undone as the series goes.

Audience: Fine but you better include every single universe I want.

Slott: Fine, I've even included the Spider-Man and the Amazing Friends universe.

Audience: Well you could kill every Spider-Man except that one :argh:

# ¿ Oct 9, 2014 09:26

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Lurdiak posted:

Oh yeah, like all those other pointless shock value deaths that Dan Slott reversed.

Yes? Like Peter was totally dead, and Hobgoblin was dead, and Silver Sable was killed, and it's only a matter of time before Smythe comes back. Other than like Marla everyone else has basically come back or been given an out to come back.

Even Spock is coming back.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2014 09:38

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# ¿ Apr 29, 2024 13:48

Waterhaul: Nov 5, 2005; it was a nice post,
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Disney asked for Spider-Verse and that's why Marvel are doing it.

And Slott isn't shoehorning anything into anybody elses books, Hickman will acknowledge if he wants. It's why nobody is caring about what's going on in ~~SIXIS~~ unless they want to.

# ¿ Oct 9, 2014 11:49

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