Leperflesh posted:

What? Are you seriously saying that the reason STEM workers in the US will never unionize is because of asian immigrants?

I think it has a lot more to do with "white collar" workers viewing themselves as seperate from, and more elite than, "blue collar" workers. Unions are for unskilled tradesmen, while STEM workers are part of the well-educated thinking-person crew who are smart enough to get paid well and not need unions.

(I disagree with that view, if it isn't obvious, but I think it's a view that has been very deliberately and intentionally cultivated by the right for decades.)

Papercut posted:

Papercut posted:

You seem to have a misunderstanding of what tenure is. Tenure does not mean a teacher can't be fired, rather tenure is the "strong due process" that you're referring to. All it means is that if the administration wants to fire a teacher, they have to go through a neutral arbitrator to do so.

spiralbrain posted:

So heres some of the falsehoods I have heard so far come from Republicans/Teabagger friends/family/assholes (my experience being one of the cities where they were going to house them):

1. "They will be released in the community" - Bullshit. The plans for where they would be housed insures that the locations would be secure, where they would have a place to sleep, eat and get medical care while being processed for deportation.
2. "They didnt ask us if they wanted them here" - No they didnt. They also didnt ask you if you wanted a border patrol checkpoint 20 miles north of you either, or whether the border patrol can round up the sub human garbage (as one lovely teabagger referred to them) either.
3. "What if the kids are criminals" -
4. "We dont have money to house them here" - Immigration reform is cheap compared to the alternative but we wouldnt want progress.

Trabisnikof posted:

Here's a really good piece about the sycophancy in the tech media: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/07/kara-swisher-silicon-valleys-most-powerful-snoop.html

Family Values posted:

Draper is a grade A poo poo head, no argument there. But can we please stop painting everyone who lives/works in SV as a lolbertarian VC investor? That's no more true than everyone in Houston is an oil baron, or everyone in Detroit is an auto exec. Yes most of the billionaires and CEOs here suck, just as they do everywhere else.

Most of SV, including most of the rank and file at the tech companies, are what D&D derisively refer to as 'center left'. Even the engineers. Check opensecrets.org and look up donations by employer. Actual data instead of lovely stereotyping; imagine that.

VendoViper posted:

Care to propose a reasonable title for someone who writes software for a living?

Family Values posted:

This thread just keeps getting better and better.

Family Values posted:

It's a tedious debate that's been hashed out numerous times before. No one cares. And it's off topic. I'd rather have food chat, at least it would be about California.

Leperflesh posted:

Yes literally everyone gives a poo poo about this extremely important controversy about the official titles of programmers containing or not containing the word "engineer." Truly this is one of the most divisive topics of debate that face our country today.