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FCKGW: May 21, 2006

That was Vice

http://vice.com/read/reasons-why-san-francisco-is-the-worst-place-ever

To be fair they have one for mostly every major city

# ¿ May 16, 2014 07:10

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 19:30

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

The bay area is terrible and everyone living in the bay area is terrible.

Now let me tell you about the wondrous virtues of Hemet, CA.

# ¿ May 16, 2014 18:22

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

FRINGE posted:

*Sitting in OC, the Texas of CA*

"Hmph. This just isnt Texas enough."

*Moves to actual Texas*

Long Beach isn't Orange County, it's LA County

Also when most people think of Orange County they think of Newport Beach and Laguna an other beach cities when anything north of Santa Ana is quite different.

# ¿ May 17, 2014 05:52

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

According to Ballotpedia the only people opposing Prop 42 are the Green party and rural municipalities. Pretty much everyone else is in favor.

http://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_42,_Compliance_of_Local_Agencies_with_Public_Records_(2014)

# ¿ May 26, 2014 05:51

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Shbobdb posted:

What is the point of segregation if all schools are equally funded? That isn't what America is about

I see you've been going to my city council meetings too. Our city has built 11 schools in the last decade but some residents are upset that with the last bond measure some other schools in the district finally updated the 7+ year old classroom computers. Of course they're the families that used to work on the farms that we plowed over to build our giant houses on.

# ¿ May 27, 2014 03:32

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Shbobdb posted:

So why do firebreathers hate it?

Do you have any specific quotes on what they said? I'm genuinely curious, I used to listen to a fair bit of right wing radio back in the day and they would always talk about prop 13 being the gold standard of the Everyman fighting against excessive taxation. They would also have the Howard Jarvis Taxpayer Association on frequently to talk up whatever new anti-tax schemes they were dreaming up too.

# ¿ May 29, 2014 06:14

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

I always felt a north/south or north/central/south split might be doable since each area has a decent economy, but a six way split is nuts.

Imagine the water rights nightmare.

# ¿ May 29, 2014 14:36

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

FRINGE posted:

OC, still holding down the title as Shithole of SoCal.

I wouldn't call a 5% majority of Republicans a shithole. I know it may seem that way compared to the ultra-liberal bay area.

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 02:00 on May 30, 2014

# ¿ May 30, 2014 01:55

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Prop 13 also has that wonderful side effect of encouraging unpermitted construction since major changes to your home like adding a room or building another level can trigger a reassessment. If you don't pull a permit then the city doesn't know you double the size of your master bedroom. It will only come up when it's time to sell and your county data don't match the house but who cares you'll get paid anyways and the new owner will have to report it (or not).

# ¿ May 30, 2014 02:27

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

The Clippers aren't going anywhere, the team would be seriously devalued if it left the LA market.

They're almost guaranteed to get a name change and complete overhaul though. It's a perfect opportunity to shed the racist stink and terrible performance of the team of late. Rename them to the LA Riots or something.

# ¿ May 31, 2014 06:00

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Ron Jeremy posted:

He's been trying not buy a team in order to replace the sonics for a while. He made tries at the kings, the timberwolves... I'd fully expect him to move the Clippers. He doesn't give a poo poo about valuation.

Balmer was recently kicked out of the only company he's ever run. He owes nothing to Seattle and has no reason to stay in the Pacific Northwest anymore. He's setting up camp in LA now and I doubt the team is moving anywhere.

# ¿ May 31, 2014 18:12

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

etalian posted:

This is my favorite full good article about OC:
http://blogs.ocweekly.com/navelgazing/2012/09/50_reasons_why_orange_county_is_the_worst_place_in_america.php

I lived in Fullerton for 29 years :saddowns:

# ¿ Jun 1, 2014 01:37

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Minarchist posted:

I still live in OC

At least I don't have to commute on the 405 every day anymore, and I wish a quick, merciful death for anyone stuck driving on the 91 east into Riverside

I've live in the inland empire for 3 years :saddowns:

But hey, affordable housing!

Craptacular! posted:

Is it weird that I like it? It's based around rail tracks, and seems like a decent pick for living a transit-oriented lifestyle in a suburb. It's just not a place that's exciting to visit, hence the quote.

It's actually has some history behind it which is why I think it's a cool city. The train station still has the original buildings, there are frescos painted on walls around the city, there's a cultural center and a museum and the downtown is a actual small town downtown with some buildings a century old and it has a university so you get some of the cool unique businesses that usually surround them. There's also large neighborhoods built from 1920-1950 so you have some older established neighborhoods and cool people who are into maintaining those areas.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2014 19:26

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Trabisnikof posted:

Hurray for hipster approved air pollutants

They installed giant new air purifiers and the odors went away.

Also what doesn't get mentioned is that the residents complaining about the plant are a family of 4 people. Not some massive public outcry. Even after the plant installed the scrubbers and reading found zero issues in the air, they still complained.

# ¿ Jun 1, 2014 21:37

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

On another note, would it be off the mark to say that a lot of people in the not-gonna-be-state of Jefferson who want to secede have been inundated with rhetoric saying that the Bay Area and L.A. mooch off of their Real American� tax dollars?

Their website is all sorts of fantastic. This is from before the Six Californias initiative when they tried to go it alone. They've been trying to succeed since 1941 actually.

http://www.jeffersonstate.com

Their articles page is great too because half of the articles are on their movement while the other half are random gun control articles.

http://www.jeffersonstate.com/articles.html

They really love their guns.

# ¿ Jul 18, 2014 20:43

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Depressing Local News:

quote:

RIVERSIDE, CA
At a tense, hours-long meeting that brought at least five police vehicles to Riverside City Hall, Riverside City Council members on Tuesday night rejected a resolution that would have affirmed the city as a place that treats everyone fairly and supports humanitarian assistance for recent immigrants.

Councilman Andy Melendrez, who suggested the nonbinding resolution that would not have committed city funds, said it would have reaffirmed the city�s long commitment to social justice reflected by downtown statues of civil rights leaders such as the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr. and Mahatma Gandhi.

�We have been a community that has always been a beacon for that, and I believe that our community still is,� Melendrez said Wednesday, adding that he was blindsided by the opposition from the dais.

Before opening the floor Tuesday to dozens of speakers, Mayor William �Rusty� Bailey suggested the resolution was unnecessary because the city has had a �statement of inclusion� since 2001.

Councilmen Mike Gardner, Mike Soubirous and Steve Adams, who voted no, agreed that the resolution may veer into immigration policy, which is federal jurisdiction. Councilmen Paul Davis, Chris Mac Arthur and Jim Perry were absent.

�... I agree with the compassion. I disagree with breaking the rules,� Adams said.

The atmosphere was so tense, a minor altercation outside City Hall led to an arrest and citation for misdemeanor battery.

Melendrez crafted the resolution in response to recent protests in Murrieta, where in July people blocked three busloads of migrants � reportedly largely women and children � from entering an immigration facility for processing, and in Fontana, where some of the migrants were later taken.

Several people who spoke said they were involved in the Murrieta protests, prompting others in the audience to ask angrily why they�re involved with Riverside�s business if they don�t live there.

�I don�t come out from another city and try to impose and threaten council people that if you don�t vote their way, you�re not going to be (re-elected),� Riverside resident Paul Chavez said.

The debate, at times vitriolic, featured plenty of rhetoric but very little nuance, with most speakers either characterizing Melendrez�s proposal as the least residents could do for downtrodden refugees seeking help, or as an intolerable endorsement of lawbreakers who sponge off the United States� social safety net.

�I would really like to see the city of Riverside take leadership and say, �These are people and these are human beings and I welcome them,�� said Fernando Romero of the Justice for Immigrants Coalition of Inland Southern California.

Others rejected the description of the recent wave of immigrants as poor, exploited mothers and children. They argued that the resolution would put a financial burden on Riverside and neighboring communities by attracting people seeking assistance.

�You are advocating equal treatment of everybody, and yet you want the illegals, who include underage gang members, to be more equal and have better treatment than the rest of us,� said Stella Stephens, who didn�t say where she lives.

�How dare you encourage anyone to accept unscreened illegals and expose the rest of us to contagious diseases like TB, hand and foot and mouth disease,� and other diseases, she said.

Several residents cited Riverside schools� 1960s decision to voluntarily desegregate campuses, the 1995 controversy over the naming of Riverside�s Martin Luther King High School and the response to the 1999 Riverside police shooting of Tyisha Miller, a black teenager, as moments when city officials took a stand for justice.

Melendrez said Wednesday that he was surprised Bailey and other councilmen didn�t object to comments �saying that (immigrants) were diseased, they were criminals, and they were individuals living off the system, which had nothing to do with the resolution ... this is a humanitarian matter.�

Gardner, who voted in a subcommittee to send the resolution to the council , said it was a big enough issue for the council to consider but that he didn�t necessarily support the proposal.

Gardner said comments from people outside the city didn�t affect his vote.

�My view is the city is better served by not becoming embroiled in the sort of hot-button social issues that it cannot influence than it is to get involved in them,� Gardner said.

Melendrez said the resolution is dead, but he will pursue a proposal to make Cesar Chavez Day a city holiday in Riverside.

Riverside tries to distance themselves from the lunatics protesting kids fleeing from gang violence, gets overrun by those same protestors arguing against making proclamations for wild ideas like "humane treatment".

Riverside is one of the more laid back and tolerant places in Inland Empire too :smith:

# ¿ Aug 28, 2014 08:37

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

909 sounds pretty cool though so people self-identified with it.

# ¿ Sep 3, 2014 21:57

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

If they widened out the 91 and 15 the developers would just build more tract houses and strip malls along the 15 corridor down to Temecula to clog it back up again. They've already bulldozed parts of Norco and built mini-malls and houses on former pastures and that's only going to get worse. One of the challenges of the Inland Empire, IMO, is that it desperately needs to increase density to help minimize sprawl and improve QoL but at the same time wants to offer large lots to attract home buyers. The two are mutually exclusive and the lack of a region-wide planning authority (as well as a lack of interest in any kind of high-density housing from the population or developers) has realistically crippled any chance to halt the sprawl.

Hey, I live in those cow pasture tract housing!

They're doing a 1.3B expansion of the 91 that is admittedly desperately needed, but they're removing HOV lanes to add more toll roads to service the folks in south Corona. I15 is also expanding from the 91 to the 60 freeway, except the additional carpool lane the promised is also being swapped for a toll road.

I figure we'll get maybe 5 years out of the expanded roads before it all goes to poo poo. Ontario is finally gearing up their "New Model Colony" plan to build out the last bit of prime "LA/OC adjacent" property. The last of the remaining dairy farms are leaving and Ontario is going to be doubling their population, adding an additional 200k residents in about 20 years time.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Everything bad about Riverside development can be summarized by this factoid: Less than a mile from my old house (built on an orange grove that they bulldozed in '89), they are going to demolish the neighborhood's last remaining orange grove and replace it with a strip mall containing a Target.

Eh, I don't really mind that, orange groves are a novelty at this point.

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Sep 4, 2014

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 00:26

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Aeka 2.0 posted:

The original plans for this expansion were drafted over 10 years ago. Also I can't tell what is going on since the story keeps changing. So the "HOV Expansion" from Adams to the 60 is now part of the toll?

Originally I thought the Riverside County toll was supposed to (if headed east) start at the county line where the other one ends and go past the 15 and dump off in Riverside. Now I'm hearing that it is going to the 15 and dumping into south Corona instead.

And yeah, the no compete bullshit is nuts. I think the only reason the 91 is finally getting one extra regular lane is because the no compete expired on the current toll lanes as now Orange County owns it. They also keep advertising transponders on the radio when they should close registration for a bit, the current toll lanes are only viable on a couple of days due to it getting congested. It slows down at the long straight. I think people freak when they see the sea of cars in front of them and slow down.

Here are the relevant sites:
http://www.sr91project.info
http://i15project.info

91 freeway will continue the two toll lanes each direction from the county line to I-15. They will then split off, one lane continuing east into standard lanes and one will be a single toll lane south on I-15 to Ontario Ave. Riverside is getting an additional lane past I-15 by restriping only, no road widening or any toll lanes.

The separate I-15 improvement project is still in the environmental phase and won't break ground until 2018. They're looking at running a 2-lane toll road from the 91 all the way to Victoville. If they can't get a toll road then a new HOV lane is all they say they can afford.

One of the worst stretches of road in the entire nation:

Progress!

# ¿ Sep 4, 2014 05:21

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

etalian posted:

well California was always good at exporting fruits and nuts to other areas

Grandpa is that you?

# ¿ Oct 16, 2014 04:11

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Someone posted this site earlier in the thread and its a good breakdown of the props and their effects in pretty plain English.

http://www.peterates.com/props-1114.shtml

# ¿ Oct 30, 2014 04:40

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Aeka 2.0 posted:

It is amazing that it is legal to just outright lie to get people to vote for your prop/measure. I just got a flyer in the mail that says "Vote yes on Measure L" for Riverside.

In reality it opens up the land for a Las Vegas contractor. What the gently caress?

I hope that piece of poo poo measure goes down in flames.

For those who aren't in the area there's a huge expanse of protected open land (in red) that runs along the Santa Ana River in Riverside. It's a great open area to get away from the endless suburbs and is used by Riverside, Corona, Jurupa Valley and Eastvale as open area and also the nearby horse communities of Norco and Mira Loma for riding. The nearby La Sierra hills (in blue) are a hilly area with lots of trails and views of the Inland Empire, not too suitable for horseback riding though.

What Measure L does is take that giant open area of land give the green light for a Las Vegas developer to build up to 1900 houses on it. As a consolation it will take a small portion of the hills and make them "permanent open space" because you can't build houses on them anyways. They're framing the measure as "protecting open lands" where is really just opens up 650 acres of land open to more lovely tract housing. It also has no provisions for opening up any new roads or anything to the development so you have 1900 new homes traveling down 2 lane roads and a few dirt ones. It's a giant cluster gently caress that would destroy one of the last great open lands in the area.

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 01:48 on Nov 5, 2014

# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 00:33

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

A vote of no on 48 means you would rather have a casino built on protected wetlands than be built near a freeway.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 01:46

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Aeka 2.0 posted:

Where the blue and red circles intersect is where I lived for 20 years, that was a sweet neighborhood. I always played in both of the circles growing up, and that small road that goes up there is a major artery that is constantly getting worse year by year.

And the loving ballot name is "Protect the lands" or some poo poo like that written on the ballot, any uniformed rear end in a top hat will see that and vote for it.

Measure L is leaning NO but there's less than 150 votes separating them with 11% reporting :ohdear:

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Nov 5, 2014

# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 06:02

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Why is prop 48 failing what the hell.

Also 46 didn't win a single county.

# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 06:33

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

ComradeCosmobot posted:

A lot of the newspapers have gone all in on Peterson because the current SoS has apparently not delivered (which means another Dem won't deliver either, apparently). According to the Mercury-News, Peterson will be a "breath of fresh air." So I guess people just feel bad that Democrats will win everything else or something.

LA Times endorsed him too. Here's their byline

quote:

California secretary of state's office has a website straight out of the '90s. Who can fix that? Pete Peterson

Fantastic!

# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 06:40

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Riverside's Measure L is now ahead by 5k "No"s. gently caress that greedy Vegas idiot.

And we kept Takano.

Things are looking good (I originally had something else here, but I misread something on the Registrar of Voters webpage).

Board of Supervisors also approved body cameras for police officers.

Things are looking up Riverside!

# ¿ Nov 5, 2014 17:37

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Rah! posted:

The huge increase in gentrification and the growing gap between the haves and the have-nots sure is having a 100% positive effect on San Francisco:

http://www.latimes.com/local/crime/la-me-aa2-snapshot-sf-crime-20141120-story.html

Corona once again proving that the Inland Empire is better than the Bay Area in every way

# ¿ Nov 30, 2014 17:11

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Trabisnikof posted:

I imagine people give you the same look if you say "I was just in Frisco" versus "I was just in Angeles". Cool cats call LA the "City of Angels" in casual conversation anyway.

Becaue its already abbreviated to LA

# ¿ Dec 4, 2014 19:55

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Here's that image in huge version

Makes a nice wallpaper.

# ¿ Dec 8, 2014 21:05

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

withak posted:

Ask the person you are buying from how they treat their chickens. If the answer sounds reasonable then buy them, if it sounds horrifying or if the person doesn't know how the chickens are treated then don't buy them.

Do you guys not shop in grocery chains or something? Do I ask the checkout clerk how they treat their chickens?

Also this plastic bag ban is dumb as hell. I save the plastic bags and use them around the house or recycle them back to the store like every grocery chain has. Why do I need to buy canvas bags when I already recycle and reuse the existing bags?

# ¿ Jan 3, 2015 21:38

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

I put my groceries in plastic bags and them put them in the back of my Ford Explorer for the 1/2 mile drive back to my house, what's so hard.

# ¿ Jan 4, 2015 04:32

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

FRINGE posted:

Theres also a lot of SoCal lots where Taco Bell and McDonalds are side by side, or Burger King and McDonalds.

Once you realize that Chik-fil-a is building all their new stores right next to In-n-Out burger you will never not notice that they're always right next to each other.

# ¿ Feb 14, 2015 08:36

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Jerry Manderbilt posted:

That explains the one which displaced the old Lee's across the bridge from my school.

Which used to be a Denny's before that. How the hell does a 24hour Denny's across from a university go out of business?

In fact, how does a lee's go out of business in Irvine?

# ¿ Feb 14, 2015 21:49

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Zeitgueist posted:

3 million people live in Orange County and they are all gigantic shitheels.

poo poo, 4 times that many people live in Long Beach right next door.

Yall need to learn that Orange County is more than just the costal cities, there are plenty of liberal and working class cities in the county as well.

# ¿ Feb 23, 2015 20:56

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Sunnyvale recently decided not to add a bus lane to a popular street and cut travel times in half.

The reason they decided not to was because driverless cars will solve every's problems anyways so why even bother with public transportation.

quote:

The Sunnyvale City Council voted 4-3 last month to oppose dedicated bus lanes that could cut transit riders� trips nearly in half along the length of El Camino Real, making bus trips almost as quick as driving. More than one council member said the city shouldn�t invest in transit because self-driving cars are going to make it irrelevant.

The city�s �officially preferred alternative� for the Valley Transportation Authority�s future El Camino Real bus service would include new bus stations on sidewalk bulb-outs, but not bus lanes anywhere between Palo Alto and San Jose.

This �mixed flow� option, which would leave buses stuck in traffic, would shave just 4 to 5 minutes off the current 70- to 85-minute bus trip during morning and evening rush hours. By comparison, bus-only lanes on El Camino Real would slash rush-hour trip times by 25 to 35 minutes, according to the project�s Draft Environmental Impact Report (EIR).

Converting two of the street�s six traffic lanes to exclusive bus lanes would bring 6,000 new weekday passengers to VTA�s El Camino Real buses in 2018, and another 12,000 on top of that by 2040. The Bus Rapid Transit project is the longest of three BRT lines planned by VTA to span Santa Clara County, converging in downtown San Jose.

�The travel time savings from a bus today to a dedicated lane bus would be so significant that it would make it an alternative for people who don�t see it as an alternative today,� Sunnyvale Public Works Director Manuel Pineta testified at the City Council meeting.

VTA expects weekday traffic volumes on El Camino Real to drop by up to 4,500 vehicles in Sunnyvale and 5,600 vehicles in Mountain View if the dedicated bus lanes are built, as some drivers shift to transit, bicycling, or walking, and others choose different routes. Car congestion on the redesigned El Camino would increase only slightly, with rush-hour driving trips from Palo Alto to San Jose taking 37 to 44 minutes instead of today�s 36 to 40 minutes.

But after hearing two hours of public comment, with 30 speakers in support of the proposed bus lanes and 20 speakers opposed, City Council members David Whittum, Glenn Hendricks, Jim Davis, and Pat Meyering dismissed VTA�s analysis. Speeding up El Camino Real buses through Sunnyvale, they said, isn�t worth the �broader impacts� on the city.

�Let�s make improvements to public transit, let�s give improvements to the current and future riders of the service, but not going the step to dedicated lanes,� said Hendricks, who along with Meyering argued that the �mixed flow� improvements proposed by VTA are good enough.

Bus lane opponents placed an ad in the February 22 San Jose Mercury News attacking the BRT project, which stated that bus lanes would �not materially reduce vehicle traffic on El Camino or anywhere else,� would �only marginally reduce average bus rider transit time on El Camino,� and would �forever compound traffic congestion.�

Some council members dismissed better bus service entirely as impractical and outdated, despite the repeated success of dozens of rapid bus projects worldwide, and pointed to self-driving vehicles as a more appropriate transit solution for Silicon Valley.

�Instead of getting involved in Bus Rapid Transit, let�s start thinking of new and innovative ways that make travel better for everyone,� said Davis. �I�m not against smart transportation, but smart transportation is not increased numbers of buses. World class transportation systems are not those that rely on traffic lights and roadways.�

�When cars are actually autonomous and speak to each other, they will be packed more densely on the roads, and they won�t be creating that congestion,� said Whittum. �So the idea of spending huge amounts of money on concrete to do this, it�s not a futuristic 21st century idea, it�s actually a very 20th century idea.�

Not only are self-driving vehicles many years away from hitting the market, let alone saturating it, but even in a hypothetical future with autonomous vehicles, the geometric reality is that cars take up far more roadway space than buses, and the financial reality is that many people won�t use them.

Not every official wanted to leave buses stuck in rush-hour traffic. A project without bus lanes �doesn�t give people any option that approaches automobiles� usefulness,� said Vice Mayor Tara Martin-Milius, who voted against declaring a preference for the �mixed flow� option, along with Mayor Jim Griffith and Council member Larssen. �The transit dependent are not going to do any better than what we�ve got right now, and I don�t think that�s good enough,� she said.

In early January, Palo Alto�s City Council also recommended against dedicated bus lanes for El Camino Real, but Mountain View and Santa Clara haven�t taken a position on the project�s design. Later in March VTA staff will choose whether or not to recommend pursuing bus lanes � and for which sections of the street � to the agency�s Board of Directors, which is expected to review the BRT project in April and select a design alternative in June.

http://sf.streetsblog.org/2015/03/10/fantasizing-about-self-driving-cars-sunnyvale-opposes-el-camino-bus-lanes/

# ¿ Mar 12, 2015 15:14

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

FRINGE posted:

They should start handing out monthly $1000 fines to homeowners who are not actively in the process of xeriscaping.

Oh gently caress off

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Desperately hoping that that San Andreas movie happens in real life. But before then Northern California cuts Southern California off and leaves them to die.

gently caress LA

# ¿ Mar 15, 2015 23:09

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

FRINGE posted:

Are you the guy that always defends the honor of OC?

I'm one who, because I lived in OC most of my life, can distinguish between costal OC stereotypes and the rest of it, yes.

Hitlers Gay Secret posted:

Must be great living in a desert and getting all your water shipped in from the fertile north.

it's actually not a desert

# ¿ Mar 16, 2015 02:25

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

Rah! posted:

At least we're shipping water within our own half of the state though. It's not stealing if it's staying in Nor Cal

The only moral water theft is my water theft

Space-Bird posted:

I feel like the tech workers end up being the scapegoat for a far more sinister, man made problem. The simple fact of the matter is, if you want to make a career in the Tech industry, the bay area is one of the, if not the driving center for that. The 'gently caress off we're full, go back to where you came from' attitude some locals have is basically nuts. It's not like there are a lot of other thriving sectors of the US economy people can just jump into...

This is a symptom all over the country. See Denver, Colorado, Oregon, anyplace that isn't California thinks that transplant Californians are somehow "destroying" their culture.

FCKGW fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Mar 16, 2015

# ¿ Mar 16, 2015 17:22

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# ¿ May 2, 2024 19:30

FCKGW: May 21, 2006

TheOneAndOnlyT posted:

"Take highway 101 to San Francisco." Bam. No "the".

Fake edit: Also, speaking as a Massachusetts transplant, they're all just highways you idiots. Stop saying freeway.

"The" is one less syllable than "highway". Therefore, "The" is the more efficient and preferred nomenclature.

# ¿ Mar 16, 2015 19:56

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