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Fluo
May 25, 2007

Shakespearean Beef posted:

Why would i put effort into this garbage thread that allows chodes like you to post in it freely lol

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

I don't know man, you put a lot into World of Warcraft?

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Fluo
May 25, 2007

TinTower posted:

Anyone talking about how Royal Mail aren't allowed to send faeces to UKIP clearly hasn't been watching Love for Sale.

Because Postmen clearly don't want to be carrying around boxes of badly sealed poo poo?

Fluo
May 25, 2007

LemonDrizzle posted:

It's a mountain with land that's only fit for grazing sheep (i.e. it's too steep/rocky to do anything more valuable with). There's no "quick profit" to be had; anyone buying it will be getting it purely as a status symbol.

I don't know man.










Fluo
May 25, 2007

Jedit posted:

"I'm not racist. I love multicultural London, even though it has downsides like knife crime and sex rings."

- a Ukip supporter

:negative:

I thought UKIP voters were the type who loved old Jimmy. :pwn:

Fluo
May 25, 2007

LemonDrizzle posted:

During its last tenure in government, the Labour party invested heavily in the NHS, the education system, and social housing, and also significantly expanded the welfare state via the tax credit system.

Tories indeed.

e - per the IFS:

Don't forget minimum wage and because of the NHS investment WHO declared English mental health services the best in Europe.

Fluo fucked around with this message at 14:07 on May 11, 2014

Fluo
May 25, 2007

mfcrocker posted:

Hi LemonDrizzle we are specifically talking about Scottish Labour here who have a solid record of being lovely as hell.

But hey feel free to continue talking bollocks if you like

Scottish Labour Party wasn't said though. :allears: Labour Party was said.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

mfcrocker posted:

How do you not read that as specifying Scottish Labour? It even says Scottish right there :psyduck:

E: Sweet edit to not look like a daftie

"Scottish Tories do exist though they're called the Labour party" was said, not "Scottish tories do exist though they're called the Scottish Labour Party". Hey man you're the one who was splitting hairs.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Alecto posted:

They also engaged in a lot of privatisation (prisons, NHS, planned the Royal Mail privatisation), huge deregulation of the financial sector, were ridiculously fond of PFI, presided over a rise in inequality (some of which has to be attributed to their complacency over redistributive tax and tax avoidance), egged on the housing bubble, introduced workfare, introduced academies. Then of course the really, really big one, for which they deserve to be unelectable for a generation, Iraq. They weren't conservative, they were generally better than the modern Tories (on quite a few issues worse than the pre-Thatcher Tories, though), but they weren't leftist either. If you want centrist liberalism, then that's fine, but I think most here want something a good deal more leftist than that, and I don't think we should start snarking people for being dissatisfied with New Labour; there's a wealth of reasons to be.

So who you voting for? The Libdems again?

Fluo
May 25, 2007

mfcrocker posted:

Given that we are looking for Scottish tories it's a bit daft to assume we're talking about English Labour but hey, takes all sorts I guess.

Labour Party is a party of the United Kingdom, when talking about Scottish Tories (note without "party" part) then saying they're called the Labour Party (note with "party" part) it's pretty forgiving for thinking they meant the Labour Party and not Scottish Labour Party. But ignore that lets smash the state acab. Labour are tories, all vote Communist Party of Great Britain (Marxist-Leninist) and lets frack our brains out with these awesome trot papers!

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Alecto posted:

Totally irrelevant really; I don't think the Tories have ever not won here. Green in the EU though; they stand a decent chance of a seat. (Yes, I did know a significant number of Lib Dems are far from left-wing; that's why I've never voted for them.)

To a certain extent Milliband's brought me back to the party, I can see voting for them next year.

There's still some Blairites within the Labour Party but I think if they aren't given enough powers it will make them more votable. David Milliband is a massive Blairite, Ed Milliband however isn't and wasn't traditionally compared to his brother, and the big Blairites like John Rein, Alan Milburn, Hazel Blears, David Blunkett etc. However when trying to get some votes for leader he did say he is a 'fan' of Tony Blair and has spoken in praise of 'early Blairism'. Take that as you will, either means he was trying to take some of the votes that would have default went to David Milliband or if he was a fan honeymoon period of Blairism (eg all the stuff he did prior to the Iraq War).


Edit: Long story short: The better of the two brothers got picked.

Fluo fucked around with this message at 14:51 on May 11, 2014

Fluo
May 25, 2007

TinTower posted:

There are council elections on Thursday too. In Liverpool, a Lib/Lab marginal is beset by accusations of homophobia. This time, it's the Labour Party:


At least this time the guilty party is facing expulsion. Seven years ago, Miranda Grell was disqualified from holding the Leyton council seat she was elected to a year before due to making allegations of paedophilia against her Lib Dem opponent. Her appeal was funded by the party and several prominent activists, including the current Shadow Business Secretary, publicly supported her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZ4w41ZYY9A

Fluo fucked around with this message at 11:52 on May 20, 2014

Fluo
May 25, 2007

TinTower posted:

Don't vote Labour in the Euros; they have a tendency to be Tory-lite there much more than the Commons. Hell, they even voted against net neutrality, the only PES MEPs to do so.

I'd honestly suggest Green or LD for the Euros, against the Tories and UKIP in the locals.

Why do you seem to have a vendetta against Labour the last couple of months?

Fluo
May 25, 2007

TinTower posted:

The system that we use, the D'Hondt system, is biased slightly towards larger parties. It should be Saint-Laguë, which biases towards smaller parties.

No, it should be a system which isn't bias. If it was biases towards smaller parties half of the EU would be the fourth Reich. España 2000, SRP, National Renovator Party, BNP, National Front (Albania), National Popular Front, Workers' Party (Czech Republic), Greater Romania Party, Brothers of Italy – National Alliance, Croatian Party of Rights, Slovak National Party, Golden Dawn, Attack, Order and Justice, Vlaams Belang, National Democratic Party. The list goes on like the Netherland's Party for Freedom. Bias either way is bad and wanting it so your politics is louder then others is wrong and self absorbed. What you should be saying is "It should be non-bias" not "it should be bias for MY POLITICS". It's democracy.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Loonytoad Quack posted:

Bias is both a noun and a verb, you are using the wrong form in many places and I am in an anally-retentive arsehole-on-the-internet kind of mood so I have corrected them all for you. You are very welcome.

PS - I agree with your point but it assumes there is an ideal, completely unbiased system, which obviously there isn't so we need to make a call on the least lovely option (or in the case of the UK, wholeheartedly vote to stick with by far the MOST lovely option).

No sweat don't worry man, unless someone is told they wouldn't learn!

Fluo
May 25, 2007

mfcrocker posted:

I know it's too late now but please don't vote for No2EU. They're a socialist coalition but plan to promote socialist politics by abstaining from every vote should they get an MEP.

Chalk me up as another grudging vote for the Greens. No local elections for us as we've moved to the London "all at once" system.

That was a funny meeting, you tory plant!! :psyduck:

Fluo
May 25, 2007


That's UK, England is alot more dense, second in Europe! Also if you remove all those bumfuck Islands UK and France owns etc we're 15th. :v:


Still not over populated however if we don't start building more houses we're going to find some problems. Answer? Build more houses.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

SybilVimes posted:

Britain's labour party, everyone:



(Yes, that's Ed balls, and hell no, he's not ashamed of it, 'It was funny, and I'd do it again')

Tell me more about fancy dress and how Labour are The Worst Monsters please.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Spangly A posted:

Put the immigrants in Wales. They both speak foreign, they'll get on.

Scotland is alot more empty then Wales! :v:


Edit:

ThomasPaine posted:

In fairness, it's a bit ridiculous for people to flip their poo poo about this kind of thing. It's fancy dress for fucks sake. I'm sure everyone had a nice laugh, a good night was had, and no war crimes were committed. What's the big deal?

It's a thread trend lately to bring up 3-4 year old news about Labour to try and make it seem they are worse then the Tories so in a couple of years time when they start voting Tory they don't feel so bad. That nazi uniform at a fancy dress party is news on The Daily Politics back in 2009/2010.

Also just post the full photo, cropping is pretty dumb.

Fluo fucked around with this message at 15:28 on May 23, 2014

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Spangly A posted:

Would someone please tell me why dressing up in Nazi fancy dress and rendering them a joke is actually really offensive?

No I'm not saying "it happened a long time ago get over it" but there are really, really few people who were actually there left to offend and openly mocking fascism in that way seems very much like a good thing to me, compared to taking it seriously and not being allowed to talk about it while we've got isolationist nationalists popping up all over the place.

We fight racism with progressive racism.

If you can't laugh at the nazis, the nazis have won in my opinion.







You get the idea.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Obliterati posted:

What's the source for that image? Not disputing the facts or anything, I just don't think I've ever seen the whole British Isles shown on a map like that before.

Take your pick they're all pretty much from the same source (2011 census)!
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:British_Isles_population_density_2011_NUTS3.svg
http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/uk-census/uk-censuses-population-map/index.html
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/interactive/2011/jun/30/uk-population-mapped
(Guardian using a different scale system to the one mapped but with the same source, its easier to see though as you can zoom into london).

Fluo fucked around with this message at 15:56 on May 23, 2014

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Pesmerga posted:

I want to watch this show.

Danger 5 owns, all I can describe it as is Garth Marenghi's Darkplace set in World War 2.

Here's a playlist of one of the episodes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZK0OQk_vShg&list=PLCA88447EF0DFB80B

Fluo
May 25, 2007

TinTower posted:

I would actually put more money on the Lib Dems walking out on coalition negotiations with Labour than the other way around, especially if they demand Clegg's resignation; the Lib Dem membership would strongly oppose any outside influence in their democracy.

Well Lib Dems are morons then.

Fluo
May 25, 2007

Gonzo McFee posted:

Cool, in 30 years I'll be in my 50's and have a grizzled voice that will inspire the proletariat to communism. Success is just around the corner, comrades. :smith:

Plus I can drink a whole pint of Tennent's in one go so I'm at least twice as electable as Nigel Farage.

Edit: I've obviously been drinking too much on my day off because I just realised that that's 16 years from now, not 30.

:spergin: Tennent's isn't real ale.

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Fluo
May 25, 2007

Crane Fist posted:

It will be once we otherthrow the CAMRA

Well it's a lager, which is bottom fermenting yeast so it can never be ale (lager is German for storage because you store it from 30days to many many months at around 3c/38f after primary ferment [which you ferment at lower temp then ale yeast in primary aswell, depending on the lager strain tends to range from 7c - 13c). It has to be top fermenting yeast to be ale. :eng101:

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