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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

Otana posted:

I don't think he wound up losing the court case, but killed himself while the protests were still going on, or so I heard. Really scary poo poo.

Are we talking "killed himself", or legit suicide?

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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

A Pinball Wizard posted:

What happens when you place a chemical factory on the edge of a tributary leading to one of the largest fishing areas in Japan? You get Minamata disease, aka mercury poisoning.


This goes way deeper than just the harassment and shutting down the people that lived in the area directly hit by the chemicals from the plant. Perhaps not quite scary, but definitely unnerving, is what happened to the photographer W. Eugene Smith, which is really only glossed over in the article.

This is what the Minamata bay looked like, as the chemicals poured into it.


Ken Kobre described the attack in an essay at the Masters Exhibition website: "Smith almost lost his eyesight covering the story. He and his wife, armed with camera and tape-recorder, accompanied a group of patients to record a meeting the group expected to have with an official of the company. The official failed to show up. "But," Smith related, "suddenly, a group of about 100 men, on orders from the company, crowded into the room. They hit me first. They grabbed me and kicked me in the crotch and snatched the cameras, then hit me in the stomach. Then they dragged me out and picked me up and slammed my head on the concrete." Smith survived, but with limited vision in one eye - he was literally curb-stomped into the concrete by this band of brutes. Later, he would slip and fall and hit his head just ever so the wrong way, causing the never-quite-healed injuries to get the best of him. He had a massive stroke and died on the floor, essentially, all sourced from the beating he took over making this story public.



The photos he took during this time are... It's very hard to put just a few words down to describe them. Horrible. Haunting. Somehow still beautiful, even though they're of very, very ugly things that were being perpetuated at that time. This is the most famous one, and if you're familiar at all with photo history you've probably seen it before. It is unfortunately no longer in print, as Smith's ex-wife very rightfully gave the copyright of the photo to the family of the girl.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

Dissapointed Owl posted:

I need that book.

These photos are from a book right?

It sure is! In fact, you can get a paperback version of it for a reasonable price - but frankly I'd go for the hardcover. Photobooks cry to have the photos printed large and in your face.



As a photographer, I find the most moving part of a story to be the photos, if they accompany it.

This had me bawling. What an amazing woman.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

Alain Perdrix posted:

:what:

So, here's a thing that exists, and it looks to be every bit as pathetically bad as it sounds:

http://youtu.be/UTe3zxiIruU

beautifully illustrated.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

outlier posted:

If nothing else, this thread has given me an appreciation of how badly-written many wikipedia pages are.

It is because of these threads that I have become quite the Wikipedia editor. loving typos, the bane of my existence.


Content: Strip Search Phone Scam - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strip_search_phone_call_scam

quote:

The strip search phone call scam is a series of incidents that extended over a period of about ten years before an arrest was made in 2004. The incidents involved a man calling a restaurant or grocery store, claiming to be a police officer and then convincing managers to conduct strip searches of female employees and to perform other bizarre acts on behalf of "the police". The calls were most often placed to fast-food restaurants in small towns located in rural areas of the United States.

Perceived authority makes people's critical thinking skills shut down.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
I know Serial was posted few pages back.. but this seriously needs more attention. Just give the first episode a listen, if you hate it then you hate it, but I promise you will get sucked right in to this clusterfuck of "holy poo poo how did this kid get convicted for killing this girl?".


This American Life has been hosting a podcast called Serial for the past few weeks - the concept came about because a journalist found this case that just... didn't make sense and decided to dig further and further, and the more she researched the more things didn't come up aces.

http://serialpodcast.org

The case is that of Adnan Syed. Here's the blurb they have on their page about the story:

quote:

On January 13, 1999, a girl named Hae Min Lee, a senior at Woodlawn High School in Baltimore County, Maryland, disappeared. A month later, her body turned up in a city park. She'd been strangled. Her 17-year-old ex-boyfriend, Adnan Syed, was arrested for the crime, and within a year, he was convicted and sentenced to spend the rest of his life in prison. The case against him was largely based on the story of one witness, Adnan’s friend Jay, who testified that he helped Adnan bury Hae's body. But Adnan has always maintained he had nothing to do with Hae’s death. Some people believe he’s telling the truth. Many others don’t.

Sarah Koenig, who hosts Serial, first learned about this case more than a year ago. In the months since, she's been sorting through box after box (after box) of legal documents and investigators' notes, listening to trial testimony and police interrogations, and talking to everyone she can find who remembers what happened between Adnan Syed and Hae Min Lee fifteen years ago. What she realized is that the trial covered up a far more complicated story, which neither the jury nor the public got to hear. The high school scene, the shifting statements to police, the prejudices, the sketchy alibis, the scant forensic evidence - all of it leads back to the most basic questions: How can you know a person’s character? How can you tell what they’re capable of? In Season One of Serial, she looks for answers.

This case has so many layers, from the teachers interviewed having their comments about how all students are twisted, to a streaker finding the body, to random witnesses popping in and out all over the place. On top of the podcasts themselves, there are also extensive blog posts that are PACKED with extra information and files, maps, pictures, call logs, etc. that have come up throughout the investigation.

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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
For the past week I've been absolutely devouring this podcast that I think a lot of readers of this thread will like - and so I'll also recommend a first episode to start with, because it pertains to a "mystery" that's... not really a mystery, so much as a tragic circumstance, but there is still some mystery involved.

The podcast is "Thinking Sideways" - http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/

The particular episode I recommend starting with is their one concerning the case of Lisanne Froon and Kris Kremers, that happened just around a year ago - two Dutch nationals were on holiday in Panama, made a string of bizarre and very bad decisions and ultimately died because of them. The scary and unnerving part of this story comes in to play when their belongings are found and they're able to pull records off of their cellphones and their camera - all of which was found neatly packed away into their backpack, obviously implying that after the series of strange photos found on the camera were taken, at least one of them was still alive and coherent enough to pack it all back up.

http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/lisanne-froon-and-kris-kremers/#comments

Enjoy. :)

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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
I know that Dyatlov pass is a huge favorite in threads like this, and last night I was listening to a podcast and it got me to thinking about something that's always sort of bugged me about the entire story - the fire that was found under the cedar tree where branches were broken off. Maybe someone else will have found some explanation that I've not been able to find. Let me preface this entire thing by saying that I personally think it was some sort of avalanche or ice shift and they got spooked, but this particular part of the situation is really the big "unsolved mystery" to me personally.

According to the Wikipedia article, the fire was under a cedar tree and many branches were broken off of said tree, the location of which was not greatly near the campsite but there is no actual distance listed for how far the camp and the tree/fire is from each other. That being said, there were a few bodies found between the camp and the tree, and there is measurements for each of them listed in distance from the tree/fire. The longest body-to-tree measurement listed is 630 meters, which leads one to conclude that since that person is listed as being "between" the two points, then the camp is at least 630 meters away from the tree.

630 meters is 2067 feet - which is only a bit short of half a mile. If the fire that was found was the fire that the hikers built as their evening campfire, wouldn't they have also made their tents in that same wooded, and therefore also protected area? Also the fact that if they walked that far for the campfire negates the argument that Dyaltov didn't want to backtrack and that's why they pitched their tents on the slope where they did.

So, then, as it is assumed - when they scattered in the night, they must have built the fire, right? That's what's the accepted belief as far as I understand. But... they were all naked except for a few scraps of clothing, listed as underwear and a few torn scraps found on the other people down in the ravine.

That leads me to ask the question, then: how did a group of mostly naked people start a fire in wet snow in the middle of night while naked and panicked? Is there any explanation at all for this? I've never seen anything mentioned that says they found even something as basic as flint and steel on one of the bodies, much less a lighter or something else - and it seems like that would be a significant thing to mention if it was on the people in the ravine, since they were reported as having taken the clothing from the others when they had died.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

tower time posted:

According to Dead Mountain (which is a great book on the incident I would definitely recommend) Georgy and Dereshenko were in the habit of sewing matches into their clothes in order to keep them dry. It's probably lucky they got a fire going at all, but then cedar can be lit even when quite damp.

Perhaps, but one of the points that's made is that they were all mostly, if not completely in some cases, naked or in underwear. Though... I suppose the best garment to sew something in to keep them dry might be underwear, but that seems like they could still get damp from sweat and so on.

Thanks for the book recommend, I'll definitely give it a read.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

Yes, I am aware people with hypothermia tend to undress. But the "story" as it goes is that the only clothing found was a few scraps on one or two, and that the rest of their garmets were in the torn up tents. My prior statement was about where matches may have been stashed - possibly in underwear, which was the only consistent article of clothing that each hiker had on.

I mean... I dunno. Like I said, I think that either an avalanche happened, or maybe the snow/ice just shifted and they spooked and ran thinking there may be an avalanche coming, then they couldn't find their way back in the cold and dark. The only "mystery" to me is that fire.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

Josef K. Sourdust posted:

Dyatlov Pass has always fascinated me. I assume the podcast you listened to was Skeptoid? (It hasn't been the same since Brian Dunning sold it :( ) I've always thought it was avalanche, possibly caused by jet or weapons testing. There are some odd features about it. I'll also check out the book.

You might want to take a look at this 17min documentary with lots of photos (incl. a few NWS :siren: b&w not detailed gore pics): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVHFHIP9eWk

/\ /\ /\ Thanks for that post about the artist and tree. I know that forest. Remind me not to read this thread just before going to bed. Dyatlov Pass and nightmares - yes, this is exactly like the previous thread.... :(

Nope - its "Thinking Sideways", which I recommended a few pages back. They specialize in a lot of what this thread is about - unsolved mysteries, strange happenings and so on.

Re: the Skeptoid scandal, it really makes me sad because they are educational but now when I listen to them and hear that nonprofit spiel I can't help but get a little grumpy at it.

I actually listen to a ton of podcasts that fit the themes of this thread. Maybe when I'm not on my phone I'll do a little writeup and we can have other people add in, and we can make an interesting podcast section for the OP.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

bonestructure posted:

I remember when those two Dutch girls vanished in Panama last year while hiking a very popular tourist trail.

I live on unsolved murder / strange death scenarios, and something about this case scares the heebiejeebies out of me. The Thinking Sideways podcast did a great episode on the girls and their unfortunate end, as well as cover the evidence - GPS and call data from the girl's phones, photos from their last days alive still in the camera, and even finally body parts turning up.

Listen here:
http://thinkingsidewayspodcast.com/lisanne-froon-and-kris-kremers/

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

Thank you for this amazing write-up. As I mentioned before, this case has been one of those that stuck with me ever since I first heard about it. I can't even begin to imagine their terror there in the pitch-black jungle, predators lurking in the dark unseen. Utterly terrifying.

If they had gone in search of that bird, I hope they at least got to see it. :unsmith:

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
I can't post a link right yet because I'm on my phone, but does anyone remember all those bodies they found a while back in the sand dunes / on the beach up around Long Island? I remember at the time they released very little details except that the bodies were all in various states of decomp, and they implied it could be the long-time dumping spot of possibly more than one serial killer.

Has there been anything else about that? Anyone know?

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
Here's a callback to a thread favorite!

The Station nightclub illegally had no sprinklers in the building. As a result, over 100 people died when a fire broke out during a show on February 20, 2003. The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) re-created the disaster, both with and without sprinklers, to illustrate differences in the temperature and spread of the flames.

Original raw footage of the fire for the unfamiliar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OOzfq9Egxeo

NIST without sprinklers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxiOXZ55hbc

NIST with sprinklers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gT1EWVR1iP8

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

This level of badness at Photoshop pisses me off so much. Who the gently caress actually pays these people?


Here's a palate cleanser after all this awful death and child molestation and.. urk. More creepy and unnerving! Less shithead humanity awfulness, we already know we're doomed!

Park Rangers Describe Creepiest Things They've Seen

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
Don't worry if you don't feel like reading the whole Underwood transcript, the whole video of the interview is online. So... enjoy listening to this creep describe his sickening poo poo.


Part 1: http://newsok.com/kevin-ray-underwood-part-1/multimedia/video/1456276961
Part 2: (Starts at the Carls Jr. employment talk) http://newsok.com/multimedia/video/1456276966
Part 3: http://newsok.com/multimedia/video/1456302798

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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
We have several versions of the "child rehabilitation camps" here in western NC. One is less than 5 miles from my house, way back up in a mountain valley. While not quite as extreme as The Seed, they are still loving atrocious.

My mom used to do child transport/escort for them - basically when the kid is pulled from the home in the middle of the night, they've got a guard with them until they reach the camp - that was her job.

She only did it for a few years and when I found out about it, I educated her about what kind of things went on in those camps (specifically, this one touts that it can ~un-gay childuns~).

She got a new job pretty fast after that. :unsmith:

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
Well, I don't know how the "rehabilitation camps" elsewhere works, but this is what I know about the local one.

Basically, the parents will call the camp and say they have a kid that's painting their nails black / listening to too much emo music / a little gay / WHATEVER it is that makes parents think this is a good idea, and a date is arranged without the kid's foreknowledge. On that day, usually late evening / early night, the escort shows up and the parents + escort go into the kids room and say, "Hey little Johnny you need to pack a weeks worth of clothing you're going to camp SURPRISE!!!" and usually a huge fight ensues. Sometimes a therapist is also involved with this as well, depending on the situation. The escort is almost always some manner of police officer - when my mom did this she was sheriff reserve.

Then, the escort drives / flies with the kid to the camp (usually driving distance, I think my mom only had to fly once when she was doing it). She told me that once they were on the road the kids usually kind of accepted their fate, and would basically tell them that as long as they cooperated that she didn't give a gently caress. Honestly, she would break the rules a little and let them have whatever food they wanted or smoke if they did, until they got close to the camp because I think she probably felt too much like she was dealing with her super duper problem child (me) the whole time.

Anyway, then they get there and it's out of the escort's hands. The camp here has a very structured day - it's basically just like going inpatient at a mental health program, only in a camp setting. There are counselors and therapists and I'm 99% sure they have the faculties to prescribe and mess with medications etc, and the kids have to do group therapy daily and if they're cooperative they work their way up through being allowed to go on hikes and other "fun" poo poo.



Honestly though :iiam:, it sounds pretty miserable, but it definitely doesn't seem as bad as the poo poo in that The Seed video. Then again, as I mentioned earlier, I know this place also deals with un-gaying kids and I have literally no idea what that entails and I'm sure it's a loving nightmare for any kid to go through. :|

edit: Ok, well maybe the place here doesn't actually do the gay-away thing anymore. This is them:
http://www.suwscarolinas.com/

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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
In what crazy world do you get arrested for wearing a shirt.

OH RIGHT SORRY MURRICAN PRIVILEGE SPEAKING. :allears:

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
I was being sarcastic with my comment, but hey - discussion!

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
The "Jesus Camp" specific movement is known as the Charismatic Movement and is closely related to Pentecostalism. Most people in the south are familiar with Pentecostals because of some of their more wacky, sometimes niche beliefs like the handling of venomous snakes, speaking in tongues, and "holy rolling". (As an aside, my grandparents are Pentacostal... or at least, were when they were in better health and could drive themselves to the nearest church that's about an hour away. Some of the stories that my gran has told me of things going on in their services terrify me - for instance one woman was thrashing on the ground and was left under a pew for the whole service because they thought that God was on her. Turns out she had epilepsy and got so worked up she had several seizures all in a row.)

Personally, I find this entire offshoot of belief pretty drat unnerving on it's own. Like... I mean... what? Ok, go grab that venomous snake, it's all good this one line in this book says it's ok and it won't bite you if you believe enough? Sure, right, got it.

So all this Jesus torture camp stuff got me to wondering - do things like this exist in other religions and places in the world? I mean, clearly in certain Muslim areas there are even worse punishments for the "girls that just want to be a hairstylist" types ie: being thrown in a pit and stoned to death by all the men in their village but like.. What about Hindus? Tao/Shinto/other Asiatic religions? Or is it the fact that the core belief system / nature of the beliefs in Christianity are structured in a way that this is a uniquely American Christian thing? I feel like it must be, because we're the only country that's rich enough to pay someone to do this poo poo to our children.

Also, here is a link with some more really :nms: accounts of kids that were sent to one of these places:
https://www.reddit.com/r/atheism/comments/q6is0/in_september_2009_after_admitting_to_my_parents/

edit: Damnit, as soon as I hit post I found this subreddit, which is a goldmine of horror for stories of survivors.
https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/
https://www.reddit.com/r/troubledteens/comments/17y4pr/american_companies_torturing_teens_for_profit_you/

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That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk

FalloutGod posted:

Have there been any incidents where kids get out once they turn 18 just to come back and murder a bunch of people at these places? Kids flip their poo poo being bullied at school I can't imagine these camps don't breed killers.

The first thing that came to mind was the dude that did the 2011 shootings in Norway, but that was a politically sponsored camp and he was just mad over Muslims.

And anyway, it seems like if you try to go any sort of legal route these shithole places have the grounds to protect themselves.

quote:

http://powelltribune.com/news/item/14918-owners-of-clark-treatment-facility-sue-detractors-for-libel

The owners of a Clark facility for troubled teenage girls are suing three former patients over disparaging remarks they’ve made about the business.
Trinity Teen Solutions owners Angie and Jerry Woodward say the three young women’s repeated criticisms — mostly made in negative online reviews — are false.

“The defendants appear to have conspired and worked together in a concerted effort to destroy (Trinity Teen Solutions’) business and to recruit others to their misguided cause,” says a portion of the Woodwards’ complaint.

The suit was filed in March and accuses Florida residents Claire Malone Matson and Mollie Lynch and Chanel Plander of California of having developed a plan “to wrongfully cause the parents of troubled teens to look elsewhere for residential treatment facilities.”

The Woodwards say the postings include “wildly false statements and innuendos” that the women know are not true.

The three women have admitted to writing the reviews and statements that Trinity Teen Solutions is complaining about, but they deny the postings are false or defamatory or that they were part of a conspiracy.

Matson, Lynch and Plander have said in their responses to the suit that their intent was to share their experiences with potential Trinity Teen Solutions patients and their families and to reconnect with and support other former patients.

Founded in 2002, Trinity Teen Solutions is located on a 160-acre ranch off of Road 8RA and surrounded by the Shoshone National Forest. It provides faith-based treatment to girls between the ages of 13 and 18 who are “dealing with addiction, substance abuse, depression, academic failure, sexual promiscuity, and other issues related to poor mental health,” according to Trinity Teen Solutions’ website.

The business describes itself as a residential treatment program and Catholic boarding school that’s “more like a long-term youth ranch than a wilderness treatment program.” Documents included with court records suggest most patients stay for around 18 months and are charged upwards of $195 a day — making for total bills that can apparently approach or surpass six figures.

In addition to the owners, 13 full-time staffers work at Trinity Teen Solutions to help oversee as many as 14 girls. The Woodwards are currently expanding the facility to accommodate as many as 18 girls at a time. Park County commissioners unanimously signed off on the expansion plans last month. The commission granted a special use permit that allows the Woodwards to add new offices and school facilities, a larger dormitory for the patients, a chapel and a multi-purpose building that will include an exercise room, game room and lounge. The Woodwards said they were asked to expand by the Wyoming Department of Family Services because of increased demand.

Trinity Teen Solutions’ website says it has a “drastically higher long-term success rate” than other facilities.

“A full 96% of the girls who come to Trinity and complete their stay effectively overcome the struggles in their lives,” says a portion of the site.

Matson, Lynch and Plander have been telling a different story — warning parents not to send their daughters to Trinity Teen Solutions.

In postings to Yelp, Facebook, Google reviews, the Better Business Bureau and on a since-deleted website that was called “Trinity Teen Survivors,” the women have given detailed accounts alleging they suffered traumatic mistreatment at the facility. They describe punishments that included being tied to animals or being forced to sit and stare at a wall for long periods of time; they also say they were not provided good food or allowed to tell their family members how unhappy they were.

Lynch wrote in a post on the now-defunct “Survivors” site that the Woodwards were running a “work camp” where “they get paid for your kids to be shamed, belittled, and work for them.” Matson — who was at the facility between 2004 and 2005 — described herself in a Yelp review as having been a “prisoner for profit” and said in a Google review that girls tend to “love” Trinity when they leave “but in a year or two the haze of the brainwashing clears and they realize it wasn’t so great.” Plander, meanwhile, has said the living conditions were “terrible” with “horribly abusive staff” who denied them things like showers and medical attention.

While there are similarly negative online reviews from other former patients, other young women and their parents have described Trinity Teen Solutions as having been a positive and even life-saving influence.

“It is hurtful to see all these poor reviews when all we are trying to do here at Trinity is help people,” Angie Woodward wrote in one response posted on Yelp in November 2015.

To back up their contentions that former patients’ complaints are untrue, the Woodwards have noted that Lynch and Plander previously had positive things to say about their experiences at Trinity Teen Solutions.

Lynch wrote a glowing five-star review shortly after leaving the program in 2012. The then-18-year-old had called the program “a true miracle,” praised its “wonderful and extremely patient staff” and said “every moment on the soil of that Wyoming ranch was exactly what I needed to live my life the way a young woman is truly meant to live.”

“If you want to give your daughter her life, Trinity is the way to go and I can say with confidence that it is a gift you will not regret giving and that she will be happy to have received with time,” Lynch concluded.

In last month’s response to the lawsuit, Lynch said her 2012 review was not accurate and did not reflect her actual experiences at the ranch.

Plander, meanwhile, wrote a testimonial for Trinity Teen Solutions toward the end of her 2007 to 2010 tenure at the facility.

“Now I have a light in my life and more than anything, I have hope,” she wrote. “Trinity has given me the chance to live and move on with my life.”

Plander now says she wrote the testimonial while still at the facility and “under duress” and that it “did not truthfully relate her experiences.”

The Woodwards say Trinity Teen Solutions has lost business, goodwill, customers and time and energy because of the former patients’ defamatory statements. They’re asking a judge to have Matson, Lynch and Plander “restrained from posting false information,” “required to remove all false and disparaging they have made” and ordered to stop contacting employees and potential customers of Trinity Teen Solutions.

Matson, Lynch and Plander, meanwhile, have offered up numerous possible defenses, including that the statements “were and are true,” “were merely statements of opinion” or constituted “fair comment.”

The women’s attorneys have said the case will “necessarily be an extremely fact-intensive litigation (as truth is a defense to libel claims) that will involve discovery, testimony and/or affidavits from Plaintiff’s (Trinity Teen Solutions’) staff, Defendants, and former residents of Plaintiff’s facility” that could involve tens of thousands of dollars of legal fees and costs.

Matson, Lynch and Plander are being represented by a team of five lawyers — including three from a New York firm that specializes in intellectual property cases and two from Casper, court records show. Trinity Teen Solutions is being represented by attorney Joey Darrah of Powell.

Because the dispute involves citizens of different states, the civil case is proceeding in Wyoming’s federal court.

Chief U.S. District Court Judge Nancy Freudenthal has scheduled an initial pretrial conference for July 12 in Cheyenne.



So... It doesn't really seem like there's any protection, period. The best you can hope for is that your friends find out what happens, educate themselves, and that they somehow manage to educate your parents - which is the purpose of the subreddit linked in the previous post. It's all a drat shame and my heart breaks for these kids because I know I was || close to being one of them, too.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

A connoisseur of fine junk
Little semi-development in the Jon-Benet Ramsey Case, I guess?

quote:

http://ktla.com/2016/06/23/suspect-in-death-of-jonbenet-ramsey-arrested-on-child-porn-charges/
One of the suspects in the death of JonBenet Ramsey on Christmas night nearly 20 years ago was charged earlier this week in Boulder, Colorado, on suspicion of uploading child pornography to the internet.

Gary Oliva, 52, was arrested after Boulder police received a tip from the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, local television station KMGH reported.

Oliva, who investigators believe may have been near the Ramsey’s home on the night she was killed in 1996, has been considered one of several suspects in her death over the years.

“We haven’t ruled him in or out in connection with the Ramsey case,” Sarah Huntley, a spokeswoman for the City of Boulder, told KMGH.

Police found a photo of Ramsey during a 2000 arrest of Oliva, who admitted to having an obsession with the young beauty queen, the television station reported.

Following his most recent arrest, Oliva was charged Tuesday with two counts of attempted sexual exploitation of a child and one count of sexual exploitation of a child.

Olivia allegedly uploaded 22 sexually explicit images of children less than 10 years of age.

“The focus on him has to do with this new case, we are not in a position at this point to say if he is being looked at in connection with JonBenet,” Huntley said, according to the Denver Post. “We are not comfortable ruling anybody in or out as a suspect in connection with JonBenet, including Mr. Oliva.”

KMGH reported that the suspect had downloaded the images, but an affidavit from a Boulder police detective says the images were uploaded.

The IP address used to upload the images was “very similar” to where Oliva was reregistered as a sex offender in October 2015, the television station reported citing court documents.

He was being held on a $10,000 bond, according to KMGH.

Correction: This story originally stated the Oliva downloaded child pornography; he allegedly uploaded the images, according to the detective’s affidavit.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

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Aesop Poprock posted:

Here's one about a young socialite in late 1800s Paris whose mother and brother ended up locking her in a room in her house for 25 years for daring to try and marry a lawyer they disproved of.

Slightly :nms: for the picture of her when they found her, naked and starved
http://www.mandatory.com/2015/02/06/the-miserable-imprisonment-of-blanche-monnier/

There is nothing quite as unsettling as that look that people who have been through horrible, unspeakable things, get in their eyes.

That Damn Satyr
Nov 4, 2008

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With all this talk of open, uninhabited spaces (which creep me right the hell out, by the way,) I remembered something I saw a few days ago that this thread might enjoy.

It's photography of the confirmed wrecks of the Franklin expedition, and goddamn they are quite eerie.

:nws: :nms: warning: there are photos of mummified, dessicated, but shockingly well preserved bodies in here.

https://m.imgur.com/a/Kllgz

I can't imagine what the last few folks that were alive there were feeling, having traveled so far, suffered so much, and made so many sacrifices... Just to know you have hours until you too will die hopeles and alone, bearing the burden of the things you did in the name of survival.

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WickedHate posted:

though I guess that explains why mummies are thought of as so rare nowadays.

Mummies themselves aren't that rare, honestly - it's just that the more elaborate royal burials are scarce and that's what people think of first when they hear the word mummy.

Things like King Tut et all aren't what they used for the paint (though I'm certain some really important historical artifacts were destroyed for it, possibly even royalty.). Mummification in Egypt was the trend for hundreds of years and pretty much everyone had /some/ degree of it done, but most were poor and basically didn't have large amounts of the presumed bitumen (spoiler: probably not actually bitumen) in them. That just made them have to use even /more/ mummies to make the paint. The "bitumen" is the key ingredient here, and frankly it was a bit misunderstood through history. Here's a pretty good write up on it:

http://www.artinsociety.com/the-life-and-death-of-mummy-brown.html

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Are personal unnerving stories ok in this thread?

I related this story in a different thread, but it kind of feels like it fits here. My long and strange nightmare of 15 years of internet stalker- turned- real life stalker psychopath. The woman that has been doing these things is a notorious internet trainwreck and unfortunately she's just smart enough to cause real, lasting damage. Sigh.

Trigger warning for rape accusations and kind of graphic death threats. :ohdear:

http://brainmurk.tumblr.com/post/151603563235/myinternetstalkingnightmare

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A CRUNK BIRD posted:

You make furry art lol.

Shocking, I know right? Clearly that invalidates this entire years long hellish misery that an insane psychopath has drug me through. :allears:

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Nov 4, 2008

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Solice Kirsk posted:

How does it pay?

Not as much as it should, based on how some people react to it. But oh well.

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Nov 4, 2008

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A CRUNK BIRD posted:

There's another thread in this very subforum where people freaked out for multiple pages about a furry porn art pic in which a dog-man's teeth were all red rocket dog dicks, and guess what. The harassed furry artist in this thread draws stuff like that, every day, lol

I don't actually. I haven't "done" furry art in years except for the odd piece of gift art here or there for a friend. It was something I was into when I was a stupid teenager, but surprise. I grew up. I went to school and got education in graphic design and photography, and photography is my main focus these days.


vaguely posted:

imo still caring about furries in tyool 2016 is way sadder than being one but oh well


Seriously.

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Nov 4, 2008

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Basically it seems like the Aboriginal equivalent of a voodoo hex. They sing you to curse you, which basically makes awful poo poo happen to you until you have either (assumedly) made restitution through suffering or you die.

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This was a big thing this past week, with a few twists and turns and a surprising plot twist. I really would like to stress that you should read to the end of this before sleuthing for reasons I hope will be clear.

Who Is Tammygirl?
About a week ago a thread turned up on /r/UnresolvedMysteries with the title "Tammy Loper "Tammy Girl" Facebook Page: What is really going on here? (post now removed, cached here:

https://webcache.googleusercontent....n&ct=clnk&gl=uk


The OP says:

quote:

Came across this Facebook profile today after seeing it discussed in a group I'm in. It doesn't take long to realize that the profile is about as creepy as it gets. Many overly photoshopped photos of a woman named "Tammy" and the page is supposedly a tribute page by her husband Scott. Something isn't right here. Tammy is supposedly in the military but there's also many strange photos of her from various times and places. Some of the photos on the page are clearly not even of Tammy but tagged as her. So who is the woman featured on this "tribute" page? Why are all of the photos so heavily and terribly edited. The language used in the posts is unsettling. Something doesn't add up.

There's so much weirdness going on here. Who IS Tammy Loper? Scott Loper, upon a bit of searching through the FB page, was separated from his son at some point. Then I found this website that adds another layer to the story. If you search his name you find some pretty strange, unscrupulous things.

Not even sure this is the place where this belongs but know it's also the place to go to get to the bottom of things and to figure out the truth.

When reading this post, even without going to the Facebook profile of "Tammygirl", the whole situation sounds sketch as hell, doesn't it? Here are a few of the... 'beauty modified' photos that are included on the page in an album:

https://m.imgur.com/a/2Y9Vd

So this gets posted around a few places, and naturally people become concerned - be that out of genuine worry for 'Tammy' or just by the rush of the 'chase' in an unfolding case that on the surface is lining up to look like this dude may have injured or killed this woman and is now controlling her Facebook to make it seem as if she's still alive.

A day goes by, and the story spreads to multiple Facebook groups for true crime podcasts. The 'public' get involved, and at that point people begin touching the poop. Plebs start doxxing these people and posting the info around, mass +friends requests go to the account, and a large handful of people actually phone the home of the Lopers trying to get ahold of Tammy to 'check on her wellbeing'. They contacted family, and it turns out no one has spoken to Tammy since 2014.

Around this point the Reddit thread goes down for the doxxing, and it stirs even MORE fervor about the case. 'Tammy' is said to work in top secret security clearance at the Pentagon, how could she have such a public and risque profile people ask? Why is there no record of her receiving any of the service metals she claims?

The Facebook page gets removed. Then comes back. Then is disabled and restored about 8 more times over a several day period.

On the third day of this absolute poo poo storm that had now moved off of various true crime Facebook groups and into it's very own dedicated group, someone says they finally called the police so go do a wellness check and get eyes on Tammy.

Surprise, she's fine and mad as hell that the internet won't leave her and her husband alone. This is why I'm not linking her page, but I guess if you really care enough you can find it on your own. She's gone through and removed all the strangely Photoshopped pictures... And this is her own words.




So in conclusion: the unnerving part of this story is that a couple with a very strange kink got stalked and harassed by literally thousands of internet strangers because of bad Photoshops.

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Nov 4, 2008

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Making weird photoshops of his wife that makes her look like a bizarre realdoll and then sharing them online. Because remember, presumable 'he' runs the page and is responsible for it all.

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Lord Zedd-Repulsa posted:

I came across this article today about a fire that burned so hot the fire hoses were essentially shooting steam at it. Six firefighters got trapped and died as a result of the maze-like conditions inside the abandoned building.

http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/a1098/perfect-fire-0700/

I had the unique experience a few years back while going through photojournalism classes to get to go to a couple of our region-wide EMT/Rescue/Fire training weekends. Most of the stuff was pretty tame classroom stuff, but the culmination of the firefighting portion always ends with a controlled live burn of a condemned/donated for destruction home.


These guys are all crowded around watching this room as it rolls over.

All of these are of the flashover, as the entrire house just sort of combusted all at once. I have a deep mortal fear of fire, and I hear the sound of this in my nightmares very, very often.









If you know a firefighter thank them for what they do. In almost all rural areas these services are staffed by a large majority of volunteers.



Nothing can describe the feeling of being THAT CLOSE to a flashover, when suddenly it's like a the oxygen is (literally) sucked out of the air and literal fire tornados blow out of a house, roof falling in as fire gushes out of everywhere. Doing those training weekends was one of the most exhilarating things I've done in my life, and I was there strictly as a photographer.

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Alereon posted:

Huh, so it turns out the US has one of the worst fire death rates in the industrialized world, and it's currently over twice that of the UK, where wood construction is unknown.

This is something that I've found odd. My best friend is Scottish and when she comes to visit she ways comments on how flimsy US houses seem to be, and when stuff is in the news like huge tornados she can never seem to fathom why people would build their houses out of wood. I wonder if there's been studies done on what lead to the 'split' between styles of building.

I think there's definitely a weird cultural perception of object permanence involved in the whole thing.

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Avshalom posted:

this has probably been posted before but this is such a long thread and it's definitely been a while. the search for the famous september 11 falling man, the wtc employee in upside-down freefall who was for a long time completely anonymous even though he was one of the most enduring images of the attack

e: i just googled it and he has still not been identified, i thought i'd read recently that he was but clearly read wrong.

There's a pretty good documentary about it, where the family pretty much identifies him by the clothing he was wearing. His name is Jonathan Briley, and he was an audio technician at Windows on the World. It's even said in the article that you mentioned that it's widely believed that that is who this man was.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqKEF34rpU


Edit: adding this as an addendum because I hate double posting.

St. Roch is a 14th-century French pilgrim who is said to have tended to and healed victims of the plague. Historically it has been believed that depictions of him with a bubo on his upper thigh represented the fact that he supposedly became ill himself with the plague while tending patients... However there is now a somewhat new - and personally in my opinion much more accurate - theory on his mystery leg wound, which has been pieced together from this painting that was done of the saint in the 14th century.



You see, for many years people believes that... Thing... Was just an artistic representation of pus or mucous. But now there are new studies that suggest that St. Roch was infected with the Guinea Worn.

Guinea worm is a parasite that has existed for at least 3000 years, but almost certainly has been around longer than that - there have been remains of worms found in Egyptian mummies, and they are mentioned in the Ebers Papyrus, dating from 1550 B.C.. If you take it for truth, it's suggested that guinea worm was the "firey serpent" that inflicted the Jewish people as they wandered in the wilderness in the Bible.

Guinea worm doesn't actually enter the body as a worm it's life cycle "starts" as a larva that floats in stagnant or still water, waiting to be injested. When a human drinks them in, they quickly mature in the stomach and bowels and then "burrow" through the body - often into lower extremities. The site where the worm lays up becomes fevered, burning and painful. The natural human inclination is to soak a pained foot in the water, and that's what the guinea worm depends on. When it senses being nearby or in the water, it painfully bursts through the skin and releases thousands of larvae to repeat the cycle.

It sounds just loving awful doesn't it? In 1986 there were 3.5 MILLION cases of guinea worm worldwide annually. Thankfully, technology and the ability to help from those with the means turned toward this issue... And Jimmy Carter founded an institute with the goal of eradicating guinea worm from existence.

In 2006 there were approximately 11,000 cases across six countries in Africa.

In the entire year of 2016 there were a total of 25 infections worldwide.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4kQWvUv_Ns

This is an awful, painful, and frankly quite terrifying parasite / disease that used to incapacitate and kill people, and we are on the verge of literally wiping it off the map. Guinea worm is expected to be the second such disease to be completely eradicated, behind smallpox.

More info: https://www.cartercenter.org/health/guinea_worm/index.html

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Here Be Monsters is up there for great stories on usually pretty unnerving topics.

Love + Radio can also be pretty unnerving, but most of their stuff is more human interest. L+R's The Red Dot is a jumping off point - it's... Upsetting, but so, so good. (NWS/NMS warning: dude ardently defending pedophilia)

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A good episode of LPOTL for understanding the 'taking away any power/levity that psychos/killers/whatever' have is their manifestos episode. At least, I thought so and enjoyed them taking the piss out of Elliot Rodgers et all.

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Your Gay Uncle posted:

http://www.rollingstone.com/tv/features/mommy-dead-and-dearest-doc-what-we-learned-w482263

HBO has a new documentary about the DeeDee Blancharde case called " Mommy Dead and Dearest".

I caught this one a few days ago. I thought the interview with Gypsy now that she's free of her mother's influence are just... Very striking. She could have been a completely normal and healthy human being but for her mother's insane interference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq1abIF2cPI

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