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Fragrag posted:And apparently the same sniper who broke ROE at Ruby Ridge was present as well during the Waco siege. Holy poo poo, Timothy McVeigh wanted to kill that guy before he decided to do the bombing instead. I wonder if he's going to be there when the FBI finally gets sick of Cliven Bundy's poo poo, so he can pull a paranoid nutjob hat trick.
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Zopotantor posted:OK, I was being facetious. But even small ants can be scary and unnerving. Big deal, just apply flame.
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I hate that MKULTRA has become the go-to for every conspiracy theorist to launch off into their rant about chemtrails and GMOs and HAARP. MKULTRA is both legitimately a government conspiracy (to drug the gently caress out of citizens and see if they could be chemically programmed) and an example of a rogue agency within the government (the CIA totally did whatever the gently caress they wanted and shredded a fuckton of files when Congress finally questioned them). It should be their Holy Grail, instead it's a stepping stone. Fuckers like David Icke are going to help get us all killed, eventually. Take, for instance, the GM Streetcar Conspiracy, where the fine folks at GM and a bunch of other rich assholes got together and decided to buy up small rail companies in order to purposely tear them to shreds and make the automobile the only viable option that Americans had for transportation. It started in 1936, but it was almost four decades before most Americans even knew about it. Nearly four decades later, no one even thinks about it. Yet, it was a legitimate conspiracy that has had a massive impact upon our lives, government policy, and the very planet we live on. Real conspiracies happen all the time, and it's reasonable to assume they're happening now. It's just that no one will believe you about the Koch brothers' influence over elections because they've also heard some rear end in a top hat tell them about the FDA trying to kill Americans with heroin pills.
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chthonic bell posted:To be fair to the chemtrail people, a sentence I never thought I'd type, the US government did spray a few communities with chemicals, from the air, sometime in the 1950s, I believe. This is true! I don't think I was able to find exactly what you were talking about, because frankly the US government's track run with human experimentation isn't inspiring. I do remember an incident over a predominantly black neighborhood which was blamed on a lot of cancers and that the government denied, though. Pretty sure it was in the last thread. Anyway, I found something else relevant to the thread. gently caress me, the poo poo the government did when they didn't understand a drat thing about nuclear weapons was disgusting. The Green Run incident might also be what you were referring to, and is of particular relevance either way. It's also not the only time that the government used aerosolized contaminants for some sort of experiment. Basically, believing that the US government is conducting unethical experiments on civilians without their knowledge isn't a stretch given what the government has admitted to. Saying that they're spraying us all with mind control chemicals that make us like Jay-Z and accept homosexuality is where poo poo gets absolutely stupid. Arsonist Daria has a new favorite as of 11:30 on May 22, 2014 |
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50 Foot Ant posted:They were releasing biological and chemical weapons on the US population as late as the 1980's. Even Wikipedia has that stuff written down. Yes that's sort of the implied thing.
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May 23, 2014 06:24
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oldpainless posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Hole_%28Scientology%29 There's also the time they successfully infiltrated the government and the time they attempted to drive a journalist insane for being critical of them. Scientology is fuckin' scary, dude.
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Don't forget the Sea Org! Billion year contracts, child labor, women pressured into abortions, and more!
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May 29, 2014 20:07
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GAPO posted:I helped a guy get weed once who was working as a cameraman for a Scientology led smear campaign against a defector. He wasn't a Scientologist, but he said the money was good, so he took the gig. He freely admitted to being paid to harass the defector and try to get him to make himself look bad on camera. Oh yeah, they loving love that poo poo. If you've spoken out against the Church in any way, they consider it a religious obligation to come after you however they see fit. Some even say it should be a right protected by religious freedom laws. It's probably one of the most frightening things about the cult, especially since they've infiltrated government organizations before. Nckdictator posted:Yeah, that's the scary part of Jim Jones and the People Temple. Normally you can look at a cult and say "Wow, those are wackos". But Jim Jones had the support of genuinely good people like Walter Mondale,Angela Davis, Harvey Milk, and Jimmy Carter. Alot of reports of Jones's horrific activity was dismissed as right-wing propaganda at the time and I can't say I wouldn't have been one of those who trusted him. Jim Jones had such a crazy cult of personality surrounding him. He studied everyone from Hitler to Ghandi as a kid, and it shows in his ability to get people willing to follow him to hell and back. What's most interesting about Jones is that he honestly seemed to believe in total equality, being a huge proponent of racial integration and socialism. However, he had no qualms with manipulating the hell out of people to turn them to his way of thinking, and got incredibly petty and selfish whenever things didn't go his way. You can't help but wonder if he could have been an agent change instead of the instigator of tragedy.
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acephalousuniverse posted:One of the most fascinating things about Going Clear, the book, is the insight into Travolta and Cruise. Travolta's case is really sad and he's obviously been blackmailed into it for years and years; you get to pity him a lot. Travolta should just loving come out already, it couldn't possibly be more embarrassing than Battlefield Earth.
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I've only attempted to read Battlefield: Earth, and I highly recommend you don't. What a loving monster that thing was.
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Peanut President posted:It's a good way to keep dirt roads from being dusty If the goal is to keep cars from getting dirty it sounds like a loving terrible solution.
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mr. mephistopheles posted:Honestly those monkey studies, aside from being ethically horrific , gave a lot of insight into animal intelligence and social behavior. There's probably ways we could have learned that in a less morally depraved way, but it wasn't a completely worthless study where he just tortured animals for fun and we learned nothing. drat it Harlow, you're a loose cannon, but you get results!
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MrGreenShirt posted:If you were fully paralyzed on the operating table, how would they know you had regained consciousness and thus required the use of Midazolam? Many hospitals have begun using more advanced monitoring devices that will tell everyone that the patient needs more anesthesia, but there's no guarantee every operating room uses them and they are also unreliable in many cases. There are certain techniques, like applying a tourniquet to an arm before muscle relaxers are administered, thus allowing the patient to move their arm should they become conscious. Like all things in life, it has a wikipedia article. You all may also be comforted by the fact that, not only is this incident uncommon, but you often do not remember anything that happens during moments of consciousness.
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Enoch Root posted:This is true, I regained consciousness in the middle of my wisdom teeth being taken out to the point where they literally had to strap me to the table so they could knock me out again (I guess I was a little upset about it). When I had mine taken out, I remained, strictly speaking, conscious. Nitrous is the way to go for that poo poo. It's a lovely time.
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The Geoff posted:Speaking of strychnine, there was a recent case in Australia where a father went to a chemist (=drugstore, for the Americans) looking for something to help stop his son from biting his nails. Somehow he was sold a bottle of strychnine to put on his kid's fingers. Later that day someone realised what had happened and there was a massive media campaign to try to warn the guy, luckily he was contacted in time. But it's pretty crazy that a suburban chemist had bottles of strychnine sitting on the shelves, could've easily ended very badly. I dunno, it isn't that odd to me. From what I understand, many pharmacists still have laudanum in stock (basically an alcohol/opium cocktail) in case... you know, someone needs it? That's about as fatal as anything else, just more fun.
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HopperUK posted:I work in a pharmacy in the UK and holy Christ no, we don't have laudanum or strychnine just sitting around in case somebody needs them. We do have a massive attic that was full of ancient bottles of horrifying stuff, and when we were finally able to explain this to the regulators, they got very quiet and sent over some men in serious gear to get rid of it all. Thank gently caress for that. I have a friend who worked in a pharmacy, and she told me they had all sorts of bizarre poo poo lying around still. Old pharmaceuticals ain't nothin' to gently caress with. KozmoNaut posted:It's not a horrifying story, but I was watching a Tested podcast where Adam Savage told the most awesome surgery story ever. This is an awesome story. I love James Randi.  Could I get a link to the episode, by chance?
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nucleicmaxid posted:Man, I don't know how those guys interpreted state law, but locking up a c2 should be a pharmacist's responsibility not a tech's. Or at least, that's how it worked in Texas when I was a tech. (DFW area and Houston area). A friend of mine worked as a pharmacy tech for a while. While it may be their responsibility, oh man do some of them not give a poo poo.
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wyoming posted:Yeah, stuff about the heat death of the universe just makes me feel really uneasy. The timescale of the universe seems infinite, but like anything else it will spend the majority of it's time decaying into nothing. If it makes you feel better, the timescales such predictions deal in are so massive that they'd might as well be infinity to the human mind, and the predictions are based on our rather sketchy understanding of quantum mechanics.
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This is the coolest fake animal I've ever seen.
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Billmac posted:more cold war optimism, nukes will solve everything! Getting at this natural gas is going to take a long time. What if we just nuke it? I fail to see what could go wrong. Oh gently caress, everything went wrong!
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hosed up snake oils and such scare the poo poo out of me, personally. Partially because of how toxic they can be, or the ability of their salesmen to manipulate people. Just look at antivaxxers to see how dire things can get when charismatic people spout a bunch of bullshit to make money. Today, I learned about the Miracle Mineral Supplement, which I can only assume was named sarcastically. It's a toxic solution that is meant to cure the typical list of diseases panaceas can take care of: HIV, cancer, autism, malaria, the common cold, etc. It's bad enough on its own, but the instructions on the supplement tell you to mix it with citric, which happens to produce chlorine dioxide. By using this product "correctly", you are essentially drinking bleach.
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eithedog posted:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ineffective_cancer_treatments I think this is one of the scariest thing about the disease, knowing that even in the best scenario, you've got the sword of damocles hanging over you. It makes you an easy mark for any rear end in a top hat claiming their special diet, wondrous drug, or mystical technique can fix you. For some patients, bouncing between quacks and charlatans becomes their life. It's bad enough having cancer take so much from you, without these buzzards eager to take the rest. I wish they were prosecuted more severely.
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TheFallenEvincar posted:Don't worry about it, it wasn't a derail anyway. Serial killers are unnerving and scary. So are cryptids and diving accidents and mass extinctions. Every so often people whine about serial killer chat and it's always lame. Goons seem to think that the "your" in PYF is specifically only addressing them, I guess. "Hey let's split this scary unnerving stuff I'm not interested in seeing into another PYF please!!!" To be fair, when the thread is nothing but serial killers and mass killers and child killers etc., it gets pretty drat depressing.
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peter gabriel posted:The Kursk submarine disaster always got to me because the sheer size of the thing (longer then 2 jumbo 747s) and the cloak and dagger world of Russia / underwater stuff in general. quote:The Kursk was reputedly unsinkable.[5] The submarine had a double hull with a 3.5-metre (11 ft) gap separating them, nine water-tight compartments, and was as long as two jumbo jets.[5] It had a mythical standing and it was claimed to be able to withstand a direct hit from a torpedo.[5] Shipwrights just loving love to tempt fate, don't they?
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Inevitable posted:Well, maybe she should have stopped dating that lawyer, did you ever think of that? The plan was a stunning success, you must admit.
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Old timey UFOs were so much cooler than the tiresome little green men or grey men bullshit we have today. Some UFO sightings have some pretty creepy stories behind them. The Flatwoods monster is a particularly good one that most people might not know about. Unlike most alien sightings, the thing wasn't humanoid at all. The bit about it releasing some sort of toxic gas was pretty freaky. Of course, it wasn't an alien because that's nuts. That doesn't stop the locals from having a three-day festival for it every year, though.
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Well, DNA has a "half-life" of over five hundred years, so finding evidence from a case a bit over a century old isn't out of the question. Still seems like total guesswork, though. How do you know that DNA is from the killer? How do you even know that shawl is from the victim?
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FrozenVent posted:Did you read the part of the article where they specifically addressed those issues? That was basically what I meant. It's so circumstantial. Nothing but clickbait, especially considering that who did this is utterly irrelevant by now. That's to say nothing of The Daily Mail being The Daily Mail. What I find more interesting is the people who claim to be uncaught serial killers. Earlier this year, a man confessed to being the Zodiac Killer. Of course, this was not the first time.. This article goes into greater detail, as an interview with a guy who runs a site acting as a repository for information on Zodiac. I just really find it strange and intriguing how people are so eager for fame that they will grasp desperately at infamy if it's their best bet. I know I wouldn't want to be labeled as a serial killer, or even the friend of one. I wonder though, on my death bed, with little to show for my time spent alive, would I do the same? It seems like a pretty vile thing to lie about, but at the same time, so incredibly human.
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GAPO posted:Chain of possession is murky at best. As much as I'd like this to be true, everyone here is skeptical with good reason. Well I wouldn't say he's the most reputable guy, being someone who runs a website about an unsolved serial killer and all. It's more about that aspect of people using such horrible crimes to be known. Approaching it in that way, Tom Voigt is a true authority. 
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Davfff posted:The second one, as amazing as this may seem most of the general public don't know a lot about forensic DNA analysis or 1800s police procedure. The reasons why the report is sketchy are numerous. Most people wouldn't really expect to find usable evidence after all this time, even with mitochondrial DNA evidence. It's not impossible, but it's definitely odd. The findings were not published in a peer reviewed journal, they were published in one of England's most infamous rags. The suspect himself, Kosminski, had very little evidence tying him to the crime. There's also the fact that some of the most likely suspects for the Ripper were Jews with mental issues. I think most people would qualify serial killers as "crazy", sure, but too often people see a paranoid schizophrenic and immediately assume they are violent. Basically, he was a guy who was highly stigmatized at the time and place the murders took place, he seems to have liked hookers, and his semen ended up on a hooker's clothes all this time later. The test is suspect, and even if true, still quite circumstantial.
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Slanderer posted:Oh, not at all, as far as I'm aware. Mitochondrial DNA testing is cool for a couple reasons: Oh yeah, mitochondrial DNA is definitely much easier to find on old evidence. It's a really cool thing. Even with this benefit though, it just seems strange for this piece of evidence to have any intact DNA on it after so long. It's not like people from over a century ago had any concept of DNA and that it could somehow be used as evidence down the line, and it also seems super morbid to keep a bloody family heirloom around to remind you of your prostitute ancestor who got butchered by an awful killer. You'd think the next person to carry it would wash it at least, especially if it was as nice a piece of clothing as they made it out to be (apparently it was "too expensive" for her to have, and thus was likely given to her by the killer, which is a huge stretch as a theory). But that's a circumstantial argument against the whole thing so it's not like that makes the whole thing impossible. I actually kind of hope they are right, because telling someone they are a relative of a horrible, infamous monster for no reason other than personal gain is pretty hosed.
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Slanderer posted:The victim's family didn't keep the shawl--I think I read that a cop stole it for his wife, his wife was like "WTF?", and then their family kept it as a weird souvenir of the crime. So, presumably it wasn't washed. Oh, I thought the article said different. Well that's way the gently caress more morbid.  Nckdictator posted:Guys, your missing the real Ripper with all this nonsense talk of "DNA analysis" or "police work". Do people believing in numerology count as unnerving? Because I find it pretty unnerving how often people think assigning numbers to poo poo and adding it up in a way that makes sense to your crazy moon logic somehow proves anything.
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Kimmalah posted:Goddamn, you're not kidding. "Eh, no biggie happens all the time. Pass me some more bait." Most Russians would probably have the same reaction to a bear coming up and screaming in their face. Living in Russia requires you to learn how to handle the craziest thing you've ever seen being replaced every hour.
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Kimmalah posted:Oh I know, I'm not surprised. But it still cracks me up that apparently disasters were so common at the plant that something that huge could be just "Oh well, another day at Chernobyl." Also a little frightening too I guess. Yeah, it's seriously hosed that fires were commonplace at the plant. The more you hear about working conditions there, the more you wonder why it took so long for the place to meltdown catastrophically.
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Fo3 posted:It's not 'can', but actively doing so, ie, labouring for the war effort. You're speaking like a terrorist. I don't think they're advocating for this mindset, dude. E: oh it's a joke I guess?
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Kimmalah posted:Not you specifically but I've seen a few people talk about nuclear attacks like Hiroshima as if they were "better" than firebombing, etc. because of this idea that everyone just gets vaporized, but nuclear war has some awful poo poo all its own that you don't always hear about. Like the so-called "ant-walking alligator" people of Hiroshima: It's always interesting to hear survivor's accounts of this stuff. As much as nuclear weapons are talked about and used in fiction, there's only one nation at one singular point in time that's ever experienced nukes actually being used against them. They're the only ones that know. I can scarcely think of any weapon more devastating, more horrific. What's most hosed up is, even given that, it still may have been the right choice to drop those bombs. War is that awful, that doing these things to other people can be preferable to other options. Yet, people still rally for it and insult those who would shy from it. It is the most absurd thing.
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Jack Gladney posted:Hey now, those kids got pizza and free tickets to a ball game! More than fair compensation for the likely early and painful death from cancer. To be fair, most people wish for death by the seventh inning anyway.
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