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Nov 18, 2010

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Caros posted:

You say that like it won't be effective for a large number of Americans.

It won't matter for the people who matter, and vise versa.

It seems like it matters to you.

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Nov 18, 2010

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SnowblindFatal posted:

Wonder if the best course would be to just let the republicans take it as far as they want to expedite restlessness among the masses? Maybe it would get even the staunchest republican's stance to waver if things got really, really lovely.

Oh good, we made it 3 pages before Accelerationism turned up again.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Acebuckeye13 posted:

I don't drink, but if I start I'm at least comfortable in the knowledge that there's never been a better time to do so.

You're really ignorant of history if you believe this to be true.

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Nov 18, 2010

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assfro posted:

Not to nitpick, but Nixon bailed out before he could be impeached. He doubtlessly would have been, the public nature of Watergate necessitated that, but still, he never actually was impeached. Ford had made some noise about not pardoning him, but it was basically the first thing he did, and his presidency was Mud after that point. Totally agree regarding the pardoning though - under the original US election system, the VP was the runner up per the votes of the electoral college rather than the predetermined running mate of the presidential candidate, and generally at odds with you. A simpler time under Washington's hope for a democratic republic bereft of political parties. How far we have come.

And by "the original election system" you mean "George Washington's Presidency", because that was literally the first thing outside of the Bill of Rights that they amended out.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Fried Chicken posted:


I just have to wonder who the 36% are, those who see outliers from the GOP agenda like the ACA being upheld and say "well they don't always rule on partisan grounds, they must be impartial"?

The question is worded:

"Now I'm going to read a pair of statements. Please
tell me which of the following is closer to your point
of view, even if neither is exactly right."

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Nov 18, 2010

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Sword of Chomsky posted:

So when does Bernie get his blimp, and what rare earth metal does he think we should base our currency on? :colbert:

Well he's a (democratic) socialist so probably Unobtanium. :v:

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Nov 18, 2010

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Luigi Thirty posted:

So what's the difference between Freepers posting about keeping powder dry and how the revolution will start any day now and our current conversation

See their means are fine, it's just the ends that aren't justified.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Phone posted:

Wow look at this conspiracy theorist. :rolleyes:

Though Bush still did win with a comfortable majority of the popular vote (albeit not as good as either of Obama's) so at best that would've ended up as another 2000 style election.

e: Bush won with about the same margin (in terms of the popular vote) as Carter did over Ford, the man who pardoned Richard Nixon.

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Nov 18, 2010

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BUSH 2112 posted:

Oh hey guys we just crashed the world economy and destroyed the savings that we told you were totally safe in your 401Ks and then placed the blame squarely on poor people for getting loans from us that we knew they couldn't afford, and then we sold those loans as securities that we also assured everyone were totally secure even though we knew it was bullshit, but why would anyone feel violent towards us? Just because some people killed themselves, had their lives ruined, or got divorced because of our actions you think we're somehow guilty? Technically what we did wasn't a crime!

I guess the question is "is anyone ITT actually someone who suffered significantly or are we just all circle jerking about the revolution".

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Nov 18, 2010

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gradenko_2000 posted:

The sheer leftism of D&D and the number of threads we have devoted to helping people get jobs and manage their finances and you're doubting that there are people here who have been personally affected by the recession???

Do we have these in D&D? I thought those were primarily in BFC.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Femur posted:

There are millions of people, some of them might be affected in those years? Like they are scared and don't know better so pull a little out just to be safe? Who knows what the bottom is? Is someone dumb for guessing incorrectly? Or even someone who was laid off and had to pay bills might pull some out, massively hurting his future, but he has to think of tomorrow, not next decade.

All these people did what they were suppose to, and the system is clearly a liar.

Basically no one tells you to pull out when things are in free fall if you just want to preserve your long term wealth because you'll probably lose more in the long run compared with just staying in.

The guy who needs money to pay bills? Sure, that's fine.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Femur posted:

At this point, why are insurance not just called taxes? The game is rigged to never lose; like impossible.

Insurance "loses" all of the time, it's just that they have enough people under their plan (and these people rarely need the service) that it's a net positive.

That's how insurance works under a sane system.

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Nov 18, 2010

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tbp posted:

Well, not CDSs haha

Yeah, like I said, a sane system. :v:

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Nov 18, 2010

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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:

Wikipedia informs me that the 75th percentile household income in the US is 90k. So households that are at least at that income level are paycheck-to-paycheck (and I can find hilarious articles about people making far more in the same situation). Since a household making 20% less (72k) is surely not deprived, perhaps we should look at the capitalist system that needs constant growth and tells people to buy poo poo they don't need.

The definition of "living paycheck to paycheck" according to that article is "not having 6 months worth of expenses saved up". There are plenty of "rich" (read: above the 75th percentile) people who don't have that.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Swan Oat posted:

The World's Shortest Political Test told me I was a libertarian so I thought that for a while. Then someone asked me if I really thought that the government shouldn't build roads or schools and I was like "no that's crazy". That's when I stopped being a libertarian.

That test is designed to give most people a Libertarian response.

As for me, I guess I was wary about a woman in a Niqab once like right after 9/11, but that's about it.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Stultus Maximus posted:

I hope you've matured since then.

Pizza store olives are pretty gross so that was the right call.

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Nov 18, 2010

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moller posted:

The Bay Area is a theoretical utopia, except no one can afford to move there, people who were born there live either with their parents or packed five deep in hovels, the latino population that gave several areas their charm have been pushed out, and the only jobs available are in tech and foodservice - the latter of which likely means you are living entirely off of your parents.

The Bay Area is a nerf castle for the global rich and temporarily embarrassed technocrats bleeding money while sitting in an aeron and talking about microtransactions. 37 year old men in uniqlo slacks and american apparel hoodies getting botox injections and hairplugs to better chase funding.

Also its weather can best be described as "damp".

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Nov 18, 2010

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Nonsense posted:

If you are pretty wealthy, let's say making $500k+ a year, and you manage to own a home in the Bay Area, and this tech bubble pops, does the value of your impossibly expensive home suddenly drop, or does everything stay expensive, startups just disappear while Google headquarters in the Caymans?

Here's the property values of the past 25 years or so:



So basically property values will still probably be high but it will drop by a significant amount.

e: A better graph showing median prices:

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Nov 18, 2010

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Nessus posted:

I'm curious, what's the advantage to Ireland or the Netherlands with this? Do they get to take a tax rake? I gather the Caymans charges banks a flat fee to operate, which produces huge amounts of money for a nation of a few tens of thousands - but Ireland and the Netherlands are quite large comparatively.

If it's like a normal bank than the more assets you have, the more loans you can give out using those assets. So it's good for investment stuff.

e: "It" being whatever foreign bank that Google keeps their assets in.

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Nov 18, 2010

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That poll has been discussed multiple times in the 2014 thread and it's basically an extreme outlier that people jump on because it's an extreme outlier.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Pillowpants posted:


Is there literally ANY hope that the next 40 years isn't going to be a giant disaster?

Sure, but you're discussing this with an echo chamber whose self described philosophy is "look to the worst case scenario so you never get disappointed". Having hope is directly counter to that philosophy.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Kiwi Ghost Chips posted:


Also Breyer was nominated by Clinton and he is awful.

Breyer is probably the justice I have heard the least about.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Fried Chicken posted:

Our options are either go Manhattan Project on a number of life critical fronts or hope we get way lucky in terms of hundreds of Norman Borlaugs, Thomas Edisons and Albert Einsteins popping up with breakthroughs that save us from ourselves.


We already have a lot of those breakthroughs, just no one wants to pay for them.

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Nov 18, 2010

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fade5 posted:

I'd ask what happened to the Native American votes from those living (read: forced to move to) Oklahoma, but the answer is the same as it's always been: there are so few left that their numbers don't make an appreciable difference.:smith:

Nah, it's just that they weren't citizens so they weren't given the right to vote.

Apparently I'm half right as They weren't given citizenship until 1924.

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Nov 18, 2010

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ArchangeI posted:

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Nov 18, 2010

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AstheWorldWorlds posted:

So am I wrong in assuming all the "No things are really great, guys. Just vote for orthodox dems!" crowd have gainful employment?

It's much more likely that the accelerationists do.

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Nov 18, 2010

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AstheWorldWorlds posted:


Actually speaking of my father he was one of the boomers with semi-idealistic intentions that entered public service/administration. He is under the impression that the public sector has experienced significant greying lately and is ready for a large degree of entry by young people. I'm kind of skeptical of this claim as one poster has stated they are merely putting more work on to fewer people. Also I'm not really noticing this kind of change personally within the field, what I do notice is more work being loaded onto fewer people, however.

The main reason more work has been put on fewer people in the last few years is that most states are required to have balanced budgets. This means that when tax revenues fall (as in a recession) you have to cut people and services until they equalize. Now that revenue is actually rising again people actually want better service ("people" being either the public in general or just the administrators of the programs) and there is an incentive to hire people again.

From a legislative standpoint there hasn't been a lot which has actually been cut or reassigned from public services, just understaffed.

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Nov 18, 2010

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anonumos posted:

Am I the only person who believes a liberal arts degree prepares you for the widest range of jobs? You can take a BA and do pretty much anything with it, in any field, any industry, any position. You may need additional, specific training, but a liberal arts education is meant to prepare you to learn anything.

I'm tired of hearing people suggest that any education is a bad education. That's what you all sound like: damned plebes, learning poo poo and junk.

One thing a lot of people don't realize is that what your degree is in or where you get your degree (outside of a small number of schools) does not really matter, only that you have a degree.

In other words, doing a community college for two years and then transferring into a state school to finish off your degree will save you literally five figures worth of debt compared to going to a small liberal arts school for four years.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Swan Oat posted:

I majored in English and the last few pages of this thread make me wish that literacy had never been invented.

Literacy wasn't invented, writing was invented.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Good Citizen posted:

In 10 years 'learn to code' will be on par with 'learn how to use excel'. It'll be a secondary skill that gets selected as part of a double major along with what you actually want to do

Developer tools have to get a looooooot better for that to be true.

Like I know from personal experience you can do a lot of arcane stuff with Excel but just as a basic spreadsheet software most people can do it fine. Most people can't write "Hello World" in a given language unless you specifically lead them.

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Nov 18, 2010

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McDowell posted:

The Supreme Court should set up something like the White House petition page where the public can weigh in on cases, and the judges can 'take it into advisement'.

But its alot easy to be an unimaginative old man who thinks television represents public opinion.

You can basically already do this with Amicus curiae briefs.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Rexicon1 posted:

I wonder how much having a state that's as red as Nebraska or Kansas drives out any progressive movements there, either by scaring away potential leaders or by depressing/bankrupting the opposition. Is there any evidence of this or are most people in these states just really into job creators and Jesus ( the primordial job creator)?

Well based on the attitudes here it sounds like most people would rather move to somewhere enjoyable rather than actually try to change things where they are. And as an added bonus, you don't need to reapply for citizenship if you move to a different US state.

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Nov 18, 2010

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FAUXTON posted:

I wonder why (civil, aeronautical, etc) engineers don't consider the looming mortality of their field more often. They've always been the lawyers between the laws of nature and the litigants of design. The problem is that actual law is highly analog while poo poo like physics can and will eventually be computerized to such a degree that many engineering fields will just be rendered obsolete by increasingly capable CAD suites and environmental modeling.

Because designing these simulations is still really difficult unless you know what's going on. My future career (or at least a major chunk of it) is basically "take samples, see how many fall within spec limits, see how we can reduce variation, repeat" and unless you've had a few years worth of knowledge gained about statistical processes, even with a computer you're not going to be able to just process it and have the machine spit out what you need to change to make the item better.


Zeno-25 posted:

Anecdotal, but as someone who was friends with several engineering majors/attempted majors, it seemed like the rigorous math requirements are an insurmountable barrier for some. Especially the higher calculus courses. As someone that's been bad at math since long division, I can admire anyone that makes it over those hurdles.

That said, most of them had very little worthwhile knowledge of subjects outside of their area of expertise.

It's partially that, but in general (at least at my university) there's a sense that they want people to be "well rounded" engineers. Like for example, I'm not a mechanical engineer but I'm required to take essentially an entire semester worth of mechanical engineering classes; likewise a mechanical engineer is required to take classes on electrical engineering and computer science, even if they aren't going to work in those fields much or at all.

It ties back to the general idea of a well rounded education versus specialization for your given field, but I think in this case being broad is harmful overall.


Rexicon1 posted:

I can attest to the fact that very few people in biomedical sciences know a loving thing about programming or even the internet for some of the older folks. When I made a simple rear end CSS in dreamweaver for a project we were doing, the old guys regarded me as their computer whiz kid because I could use this simple rear end program to make a website. It was a big pain in my rear end when they asked me to do some actual programming for the site and I told them that they would need to probably hire an expert. More than one dipshit researcher gave me grief about how I misled them because I helped make the website.

Leaving that bullshit and applying to med school was the best decision I ever made

Anecdotally I have some friends in the physics undergrad program and they highly stress programming, I suspect mostly because they run some simulations in those languages.

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Nov 18, 2010

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agarjogger posted:

Well, yeah, I took it. What other maths did I miss out on? He seemed to imply that there was something missing from our math education here.

There's also Differential Equations and Linear Algebra for engineers, other pure science majors (mostly math/physics) would take much more advanced courses as well.

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Nov 18, 2010

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On Terra Firma posted:

I feel like this is one of those times where someone trots out that Lee Atwater quote, but that's what it boils down to as far as I can tell.

Nope, several conservative states are white as snow so racial logic doesn't work on them.

Mostly it's "this is the way things have been, so let them continue" ad infinitum.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Eh, more or less. They're not states that are important, they probably won't ever be important, and no one really pays them much mind unless they want natural resources or natural parks.

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Nov 18, 2010

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nutranurse posted:

I can see why you'd think that, but you don't actually need for minorities to be around in order to otherize the gently caress out of them. Actually, it helps a ton when your only working examples come from mainstream media and your own racist family members.

I lived in Idaho, I can assure you racial issues and dog whistles ("Welfare Queens" et all) were not a significant part of the rhetoric.

Mostly it was "Get the [federal but occasionally state] government out of our business and let us do what we've been doing successfully forever".

Like I'm not saying it was a secretly chill place or whatever (we literally read Ayn Rand inspired propaganda for middle school) but it just didn't focus on race that much.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Stultus Maximus posted:

It makes sense to me to have the Arts and Sciences be a unified College, since (and most people forget this) science and math are two areas of the liberal arts. Engineering, business, med school, are more vocationally oriented whereas liberal arts are learning and inquiry oriented.

It makes sense if you have a small campus but not if you have tens of thousands of students.

As for STEM grouping it's probably more to better increase collaboration and make sure lesson plans are made correctly (I personally don't know because here there's a million separate colleges and it's all bureaucratic bullshit, as is Texas in general).

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Nov 18, 2010

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Install Windows posted:

Also a lot of universities refuse to accept certain community college classes for credits seemingly at random, which can end up costing you an extra semester at the university.

This is true but if it's covered by an AP test they usually accept it.

I know at least for Texas they also have a list of which community college classes correspond to which classes in the main university.

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Nov 18, 2010

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Berke Negri posted:

It is rather odd to see leftists dismiss Piketty as just another neo-liberal as he's arguing that capitalism without intervention inevitably leads to oligarchic dystopia and wealth has such a deleterious effect on society we need something dramatic like an 80% global wealth (not just income) tax to prevent the looming Dickensian apocalypse. I guess there's no pleasing some people.

Full disclosure I still have not read Capital as I am too broke due to spending all my money on alcohol.

Let's just say there's a reason the Judean People's Front is a thing in Life of Brian.

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