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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:You're fantasizing about directing violence at people you politically disagree with. Freep does the very same. It's not complicated, and there isn't any out you can give for it. It's disgusting no matter who does it. Relax, people are just telling a few harmless jokes about something that will never happen. Do you really think I want to see these evil, grasping fucks who wreck the lives of billions and starve millions just to see some numbers on a screen flip higher finally strung up by their guts from lampposts all along Wall Street for the crows to peck? No no no no, I certainly don't want that, that wouldn't be a very kind thing to do to someone would it?
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Ignatius M. Meen posted:I voted for Dubya in 2004 at a real voting booth. My only defenses are that I was very uninformed about politics beyond TV news, had only conservative family nearby, relatively privileged upbringing even in spite of being lower-class/poor, and Missouri isn't exactly a swing state. I voted Dubya absentee from my deployment in Iraq. I am an idiot.
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May 11, 2014 21:45
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Luckily for you, your vote would have only been counted if whatever state you were absentee voting in was close! Thanks for being filled with terrible reactionary shitheads, Oklahoma, now I can rest easy knowing I never actually helped Bush get elected!  
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May 11, 2014 22:21
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Yeah but that was the day when socialist ideals were commonly agreed to not include black people. The Southern Strategy turned Oklahoma as reliably Republican as it used to be Democratic. The 90%+ Bush counties in the panhandle were also the last holdouts of yellowdog democrats, still voting blue just a few years before.
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May 11, 2014 23:09
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fade5 posted:I'd ask what happened to the Native American votes from those living (read: forced to move to) Oklahoma, but the answer is the same as it's always been: there are so few left that their numbers don't make an appreciable difference. The Native Americans tended to support the Confederacy because for some reason  they felt like the US government did not support their interests, and hoped that a Confederate victory would give them independence as well. They even supplied the only non-white general officer in the war, Stand Watie, on the Confederate side. I would not be surprised if their votes tended Democrat back in the day
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If it helps, I had the same twinge of annoyance and wanted to know who it was too. But it's already well-established that I am an idiot so this is likely not a great comfort to you.
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May 12, 2014 03:00
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If I'm posting in this thread at the same time, it's perfectly normal social drinking, right? It's only alcoholism if you're drinking alone.
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May 12, 2014 03:24
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Mornacale posted:Just wait until someone decides that the best way to go down is shooting at bankers. Unfortunately, people who do this usually take out low-level office workers because it's easier  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_O._Barton edit: And their own wives and children!
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May 12, 2014 03:50
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JonathonSpectre posted:There was literally a court case where the Cherokee's "right of occupancy" was declared subordinate to white peoples' "right of discovery." So I went to try to find this case. Are you talking about Johnson v McIntosh? Because holy poo poo this decision is comedy gold. No Native Americans were parties to the lawsuit; it was between a guy who'd bought some land from Native Americans suing the current owner of the land who had gotten it from the government, and Marshall ruled for the defendant because Native Americans had no title to their land and couldn't sell it. I can't tell if my favorite quotes are the ones about how we brought the Indians Christianity so really at the end of the day they benefit from the "Right of Discovery" that gives Europeans the incentive to steal their land and Christianize them...or the part where he explicitly dismisses English precedent to the contrary that recognized the property rights of "Indian princes and governments" because: quote:The words "princes or governments" are usually applied to the East Indians, but not to those of North America. We speak of their sachems, their warriors, their chiefmen, their nations or tribes, not of their "princes or governments." It reads like an Eddie Izzard bit. "Ah, but do you call your leader a prince" "No, of course not, that's an English word. In our language it's-" "Oh sorry, no prince, no country. Those are the rules I just made up."
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May 12, 2014 08:18
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Zelder posted:But I'm black, so it's not like I can really pine for the good old days, haha. Oh great, thanks for reminding me I have to pay for yard work now or do it myself in Lincoln's America 
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May 12, 2014 13:05
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Who What Now posted:I just want everyone to know that even though I've been a nightly blackout alcoholic for about two years before I started reading these threads, I still blame you all personally for my alcoholism. I joke about alcoholism because I don't want anyone to suspect my actual destructive addiction. "Ahaha sorry boss, late again. Out all night drinking as usual, definitely wasn't arguing politics with strangers on the internet!"
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May 12, 2014 14:18
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zoux posted:Reminder that when the Texas Board of Pardons and Parole was poised to deliver a finding that showed that Cameron Todd Willingham was likely not guilty of the arson which led to the deaths of his children that he was subsequently executed for, Perry dissolved the board and reconstituted it with people who would rule the opposite way. I do. Reading about this case back in the day turned me anti-death-penalty.
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May 12, 2014 20:08
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Fried Chicken posted:Holy poo poo. Keith Crisco just dropped dead in his own home today. He was Clay Aiken's main challenger for the Democratic nomination in NC02 
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May 13, 2014 02:39
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1stGear posted:Serious answer: the federal land Bundy is grazing his cattle on is pretty large so they're presumably running jeep patrols around to make sure those dastardly BLM aren't sneaking in and swiping cows again. Also supply runs into town and stuff. Also running over sacred historical sites. icantfindaname posted:So what has been happening lately to make the GOP rise in the polls? The Democrats have been in charge for a long time now, and the recovery has been slow. It's time to bring in some new ideas and give Republicans a chance to fix our debt and bring jobs back.
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May 13, 2014 04:02
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FourLeaf posted:One of my good friends is ranting on Facebook about how the Civil War wasn't actually about slavery and how Robert E. Lee was really a cool person (because it's Confederate History Day or something?). This is really upsetting me (the perils of having white friends i guess). I don't even know what to say. So disappointing. Post this paragraph. Declaration of the Immediate Causes Which Induce and Justify the Secession of South Carolina from the Federal Union posted:We affirm that these ends for which this Government was instituted have been defeated, and the Government itself has been made destructive of them by the action of the non-slaveholding States. Those States have assume the right of deciding upon the propriety of our domestic institutions; and have denied the rights of property established in fifteen of the States and recognized by the Constitution; they have denounced as sinful the institution of slavery; they have permitted open establishment among them of societies, whose avowed object is to disturb the peace and to eloign the property of the citizens of other States. They have encouraged and assisted thousands of our slaves to leave their homes; and those who remain, have been incited by emissaries, books and pictures to servile insurrection. Then link to the rest of it, because it's just paragraph on paragraph bitching about how the North says mean things about slavery and how they don't just hand black people over to every Southerner who walks in and says so-and-so is my runaway slave. http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_scarsec.asp
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Stultus Maximus posted:Also "we were supposed to be sovereign and independent states but also they have to enforce our slave laws!" Yeah this. Ask where's the States' Rights in federal troops marching into Boston and taking black people back into bondage.  My favorite part of the Confederate Constitution is that States weren't allowed to ban slavery Constitution of the Confederate States of America posted:Article I Section 9(4) States have the RIGHT to shut the gently caress up and let me have slaves.
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quote:Although white businessmen and developers are guilty of some unfair treatment of blacks, they turned South Africa into a modern industrialized nation, which the poor, uneducated blacks couldn't have accomplished in several more decades. If more blacks were suddenly given control of the nation, its economy and business, as Mandela wished, they could have destroyed what they have waited and worked so hard for. Oh this makes me absolutely livid. Not allowing workers to have their families live within a few hundred miles of them, bulldozing entire neighborhoods and exiling the inhabitants to replace them with white surburbs, gunning down unarmed students. You know, some unfair treatment. Plus the whole "well see, we denied them an education, and look how uneducated they are, just goes to show they can't be trusted to run a country". Er anyway. Thanks for the rest of your story. I'm sorry all that crazy-religious stuff got forced on you. I'm glad that at least my dad didn't get Born Again and start getting into all the Evolution is a Lie and Satan is Real stuff until my sister and I were at the end of high school.
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May 13, 2014 06:55
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Slickdrac posted:And speaking for Maryland, there's multiple big name competent IT hubs right here. How the gently caress could you not find and grab one of them to do it right? Is it graft?
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anonumos posted:Is the pope catholic? Nope  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedevacantism
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Honestly I'm not sure. It's part of the same clause as no bills of attainder or ex post facto laws, and I thought in the US Constitution those bind the States as well, but I'm no lawyer or anything. Perhaps this is a better one quote:Article IV Section 2(1) Article 4 poo poo is definitely about the States.
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May 13, 2014 13:26
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SedanChair posted:Maybe he realizes that systemic fixes aren't in the offing, so it's better to hustle than it is to lie there like a beached whale with a Doctor Who shirt stretched over its helpless form. You should really log out when you finish with a public computer, or a College Republican could use your account to make posts like this.
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May 13, 2014 19:52
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tbp posted:I don't know, based on your past few posts, it would appear you are. No, don't agree with me! Augh goddamnit now I'm a Republican.  Edit: and taxed enough already! 
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May 13, 2014 22:07
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FAUXTON posted:I wonder why (civil, aeronautical, etc) engineers don't consider the looming mortality of their field more often. They've always been the lawyers between the laws of nature and the litigants of design. The problem is that actual law is highly analog while poo poo like physics can and will eventually be computerized to such a degree that many engineering fields will just be rendered obsolete by increasingly capable CAD suites and environmental modeling. The real world is analog, and at the end of the day you have to design things that work in the real world. A CAD program is only as good as your model of reality. It's not going to give you the right answers if you don't know what questions to ask. You can't just render every little detail of say a radio transmitter and push the "simulate physics" button because simulating the real universe to arbitrary granularity is computationally impractical. And there's no substitute for the creative aspect of design and the understanding of concepts required, unless we're talking about honest-to-goodness AI that would every area of creative human endeavor redundant as well. It replaces some gruntwork and some draftwork. It saves building and test time, it can alert you to issues if you've overlooked something that the programmers have modelled. And sure, that can hurt engineering employment if the prductivity gains from that are hoovered up by the capitalist class (as they are these days). But saying SPICE can replace electrical engineers is exactly as asinine as saying we can get rid of lawyers because "it's just following a decision tree, I can program a better lawyer" would be. Most of the criticisms I see in DnD about the arrogrance, insularity, and naïveté of people in my field are spot-on, but hot drat that post. (Edit: and this isn't some "oh my holy engineering is as the gods" post. Overdepending on simulations without understanding the basic concepts behind it is the rookiest of rookie engineer mistakes. If you don't have some idea what the answer should be before you use a computer, you can't know when the computer is spitting out something insanely wrong.) VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 03:42 on May 14, 2014 |
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Mitsuo posted:Just wanted to echo this post, as an engineer whose graduate studies dealt largely with computer models. Oh God why. I took a computational EM class for my master's where we had to write our own EM solvers in MATLAB and I wanted to kill myself.
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May 14, 2014 05:07
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FAUXTON posted:I'd be the last person to hang my hat on the specter of reductionism but computers are really good at crunching numbers quickly and accurately. Oh computers absolutely are great at that, you are absolutely right. But that's not the problem engineers solve or have ever solved. Computers are also great at drawing perfect shapes and straight lines but they're not going to take over graphic design without a paradigm shift. Engineering design is about knowing what problem needs to be solved to get to the point that you can plug numbers into an equation and stick it into a computer and get an answer that's accurate enough to be useful in a shorter time than the heat death of the universe. Engineers used to have assistants to use side-rules or tables to look up solutions to logarithms and Bessel functions etc. That's what computers can and do replace, the number-crunching gruntwork. Being a good number-cruncher is necessary as an engineer, but it's nowhere close to the most important thing. FAUXTON posted:That's why I used the word "eventually." Much like how a physicist becomes a programmer in order to properly test his hypothesis against experiment data, an architect or designer will close that engineer gap by learning to properly identify and apply the needed real-world inputs (with the help of things like climate, weather, geological, and seismic data) for known-quantity materials like steel or concrete or glass in order to generate figures on tolerances as a design is constructed virtually. There's not much to say to this except that you are drastically underestimating the cost, time, and difficulty of brute-force modelling the real world. Scaling size or detail in 3-dimensional models geometrically scales the computational resources required. Unless you know how and where to simplify (and how to spot an error if your model is underdetailed), then it's going to be cheaper and faster to do an analog simulation (ie, just build it and see if it works). You can't just fine-mesh your entire design and hit "numerically solve physics", at least not if you want an answer before the sun goes out. Every situation is different; a computer that can design a bridge from scratch for a specific location with nothing but geological surveys and materials data is a computer that can argue specific cases before the Supreme Court. And, anyway you're starting with the work almost done. Yeah, sure once I've selected an amplifier technology or a bridge design I can put it into the computer and get super accurate simulations as detailed as I want to wait for. The human already did the engineering part: surveying the problem, making trade-offs, selecting a design (or a few alternatives), and deciding which aspects of it need finely detailed modeling to be accurate and can use macroscale models. If you want to fantasize about smug STEM degrees getting ground into poverty, it's not the AI revolution that's going to do it. What's going to gently caress over engineers is what's going to gently caress over all of us: the concentration of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands, a demand crisis as the poor can't afford slick new consumer goods, and the resulting unempoyment giving owners the bargaining power to push our white-collar wages lower and lower. And if neoliberalism continues to win out, then that will happen and you will be 100% entitled in my book to smug it up to the Libertarian engineers who voted for those policies because as Randian Supermen they thought poverty is something that only happens to stupid lazy people. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 06:06 on May 14, 2014 |
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I'm not responding "but it's so much math", but I'm going to drop the derail, because (and not to be mean) you're handwaving away issues that you don't understand. If the person reading the printout just does what the computer says and can't tell whether the computer's figures make sense, things are going to go tits-up in a hurry. Oddly, you sound almost like the young engineer saying psychologists are wasting their time because the brain is just some extra-complicated meat-tronics and it's just a matter of solving the math so leave it to an engineer.  But anyway, I like your politics and I completely agree with you that engineers tend to have an over-inflated sense of their economic worth and therefore vote against their interests with the most infuriating smug ignorance imaginable. Please don't hate us. Some of us get it  In politics, the Texas Lt Gov primary runoff is coming up. I'm actually going to vote in a Republican primary, because the GOPe incumbent is trailing crazy racist rear end in a top hat Dan Patrick. Enjoy this clip of December's Lt Governor debate, where the least radical opinion is to add creationism to textbooks. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUnB5CVeza8 Yeah, the second guy there with the punchable face whining about why isn't elementary school like Sunday School is the guy who won the plurality in the primary. I did not think I would say this but: I am casting a vote for David loving Dewhurst  VVVVVV You could always move to Austin! Most of the engineers I work with are either liberal or apathetic about politics. We have the occasional  totally-not-Republican Libertarian who thinks gays are immoral and the government should protect the rights of the embryo...but by and large you don't have to deal with that poo poo. Any kind of racism, even dog-whistles, is a quick way to make everyone think you're an rear end in a top hat and hold back your career.
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Holy poo poo, the Dan Patrick Ad. Not education and health care!!  I want a man who will keep immigrants uneducated, sick, and dependent on emergency rooms. (Just kidding, Dan Patrick's real position is that all Mexicans should be shot!)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRkBRd8ePTw The video is great. Reagan cameo, attacking Dewhurst's wealth (my favorite Republican tactic. Democrats hate the rich, class warfare! Also, my opponent is rich and therefore untrustworthy!) VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 08:35 on May 14, 2014 |
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tbp posted:Getting rid of HFT doesn't make sense. HFT is nothing more than front-running.
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zoux posted:I need to contact the German consulate and request they invent a word for the feeling when a bunch of racist shithead conservatives fail miserably at something. Palinfreude?
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Jarmak posted:Also its very self-serving but the administrations logic on this is not without merit. Its basically assuming that any military aged male that's hanging out with a militant leader is a militant unless they have reason to believe otherwise. Or if they happen to be patronizing the same café, or eating dinner at the next table, or living in the same neighborhood, or whatever and whatnot.
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Mystic_Shadow posted:A lot of libertarians think weed should be decriminalized/legalized and that gays should have the same rights as straights, Well unless all the straight people in town decide gays shouldn't be allowed to shop in their stores, or use their roads, or live in their neighborhoods, or go to their schools, because that's just the free market and those gays shouldn't demand that men with guns come along and force everyone to let them have education/jobs/homes/freedom to travel. Also, repeat for blacks, women, Muslims, Jews, Irish, Welsh, Chinese, transsexuals, Slavs, Arabs, and various and sundry other subhumans. Ah, glorious Libertarian liberty 
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May 19, 2014 19:28
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Amergin posted:LGBTQXYZ rights Xenosexual? YY-gendered? Zoosexual?
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Miltank posted:When we run out of social issues will the general populous finally move on to class issues or will the discourse devolve into the literal political-correctness gone mad that can be found now on the fringes? Considering that racism, nationalism, sexism, religious bigotry, homophobia, etc are some of the rich's most potent weapons in class warfare, we can hope that class issues become easier to address once it's no longer okay to rabble-rouse about hard-earned tax dollars going to feed "those people" (you know the ones, the ones who were good Christians before emancipation gave them funny ideas.) This isn't to say we shouldn't push class issues now, but it's all a part of the same battle against oppression.
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Well now, how old was the kid. Was he at least 15 and an Arab? If so, you'd better be able to prove he wasn't a terrorist before you get mad.
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Oh my God I'm Cliven Bundy. It turns out...liberals really were the real terrorists all along  Next up: proof that liberals love Saddam!
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Munkeymon posted:We have Congressional authorization to do so, so maybe you attack the disease instead of complaining about the symptoms? Ah yes, Abdulrahman Al-Awlaki, noted for his remarkable contributions to the September 11th attacks in 2001 as a precocious six-year-old.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Probably for the best, you weren't doing to hot in this discussion. No see if you think the US government should reform its prosecution of the War on Terror and prefer to vote for politicians who agree, that is just the same as refusing to obey federal law, pointing guns at federal agents, and threatening to murder anyone with a BLM sticker on their truck. Sorry you hate America.
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Tatum Girlparts posted:Like, all my 'social libertarian' friends say they're down with gay rights and all but then explain to me how it's actually terrible to make a bakery do their job and sell a cake to a gay dude. Do you have some niche hobby wherein it's impossible to find friends who...you know...don't think you should be fired for having a spouse or skin color your manager doesn't like?
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Stultus Maximus posted:Oh, they didn't bother. They went with "it's more I agree wholeheartedly. Thanks for finally coming around, conservatives! 
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Amergin posted:I laughed but honestly how about we try not to stereotype as much, period? Agreed. Is it okay with you if we go ahead and add "fight stereotyping of straight white Christian men" to the very, very, very gently caress-off end of the social justice list? Because I bet you by the time we make it all the way down there it will have solved itself once minorities are no longer under the boot. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:17 on May 20, 2014 |
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