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GulMadred posted:A few women have died from complications (due to missing/inadequate medical supervision and followup) but I suspect that most of the opposition arises from the fact that this procedure makes abortion more available (or simply "available at all" in some areas). Ding ding ding. No one (on either side of the debate) is fooled by the transparent attempts to made abortion illegal again but I guess the pro-life side has to maintain the charade for the eventual SCOTUS case so Roberts can claim that "no one would think that making abortion impossible to get would make it de facto illegal so it's totally ok!"
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Jagchosis posted:I concur completely, I am just maybe challenging the notion that the failure to string up Wall Street is completely the Executive Branch's fault. From what I understand this is the case and trials regarding financial heads probably would have been incredibly expensive and likely to not lead to convictions in most cases. From watching the 60 Minutes stuff there definitely seems like illegal actions going on but who knows if that could be proven in a trial and it's much more difficult to prosecute incredibly complicated financial crime. Having said that, Clinton has always been poo poo so his attitude here isn't a surprise. It's one thing to say that legally thieves can't be prosecuted and it's a tough reality of the world, it's another to infer that the unwashed proles are barbarically howling for blood of the innocent instead of just wanting justice for the criminals (even if technically they are not) that robbed them. Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 12:33 on May 9, 2014 |
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Cimber posted:But a lot of the actions causing the great recession were not illegal per se, more stupid, greedy and short sighted. People not taking a close look at the risks of the investments they were purchasing and so on. But some companies have been dinged already, such as Goldman Sakhs getting hit with a few billion dollar fines for selling investments they internally knew were poo poo but marketing as prime grade investment vehicles. Yeah I agree which is why what irks me about Clinton is his tone. The American people don't have the legal and insider knowledge to know that it was legal but we do know we got hosed and who hosed us so acting like we are unreasonable savages is pretty insulting, especially from a guy who (along with many others) helped to make it happen.
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Aurubin posted:This got kinda lost since I posted it at 1 in the morning via my phone, but Pando was digging through campaign finance records and found that Charles Baker, the current Republican nominee for the governor of Massachusetts, after giving the New Jersey RNC 10,000 dollars, his firm was awarded 25,000,000 in Jersey pension money. This is a no no to both state and federal quid pro quo laws. Baker's also running on a promise to clean up corruption in Massachusetts, which is hilarious. The story is by David Sirota, who's not crazy like most people at Pando. I have the mental image of Romney opening a closet with Christie's name on it and comically being buried under a pile of bones falling out. Shageletic posted:Catching up with the thread and just want to point out that this post is factually incorrect. SEC regulations, Securities law '33, etc, puts the onus on not misleading investors, not establishing intent. Its slam dunk stuff, its why 1110 people were prosecuted for the S 'n' L scandal, why Enron and Arthur Anderson got reamed, etc. Lack of prosecution is a lack of prosecutorial will and balls, never forget that. Do you have any idea who made the ultimate decision not to prosecute? Eggplant Squire fucked around with this message at 20:28 on May 9, 2014 |
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May 9, 2014 20:25
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What's even stupider about that loathsome opinion is that the people who's judgment is determining the extra punishment are also the criminals these people hate.
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May 12, 2014 16:31
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All this "well you picked wrong, sorry about your fifty grand and four years of your life, better luck next reincarnation" makes me think that American Universities should be held up on massive fraud charges.
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May 13, 2014 16:38
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People keep saying that Cruz is some kind of Harvard genius but he's really going out of his way to try and prove otherwise.
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May 14, 2014 12:25
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Also the NSA issue seems like massive corruption at all levels of government, so no one can really point to Obama without drawing attention to themselves.
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May 14, 2014 15:01
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djw175 posted:Even beyond the mom thing, the shirtless female mannequin with her hands in a surrender position is still pretty drat iffy. Yeah shooting trash and clay birds is fun as hell, but once your target becomes humanoid and in a surrendering pose it gets creepy immediately. If they had a mannequin with a knife or just one in a totally neutral pose it wouldn't be obvious what the subtext here is.
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May 16, 2014 15:46
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Talmonis posted:That woman's cold, dead eyes haunt my dreams. Almost as badly as the prospect of her husband with any political power. I can't look at her without seeing Conan O'Brien in drag.
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zoux posted:I need to contact the German consulate and request they invent a word for the feeling when a bunch of racist shithead conservatives fail miserably at something. They should already have a word for that one!
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Rhesus Pieces posted:If we were living in a sane and functional democracy, 20 first graders getting shot to death by a heavily armed lunatic would have been the tipping point. Don't forget that in the ultimate insult a bunch of gun-people from the Second Amendment Foundation tried to get the anniversary named "Guns Save Lives Day." When they changed it due to national outcry, they issued this pithy non-apology quote:Guns Save Lives Day is on December 15, 2013, Bill of Rights Day, the day after the Anniversary of Newtown. We plan to honor these victims by doing everything within our power to prevent misguided gun control laws from leaving Americans defenseless or worse victims. Remember we desperately need guns to protect us from danger that coincidentally involves maniacs with guns. I have no idea what sort of gun control works, but to people like that, any massacre is just going to be an excuse to say that we need more guns in more places.
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Fried Chicken posted:Imagine I bolded this entire thing because This is a good article to remember when people mention "moderate" Republicans. The only difference between a Republican and a Tea Partier is that the Tea Partiers are not as good about knowing when to pretend that they aren't evil and more likely to try and force their goals quickly instead of playing the slow game. The article posted:In response, Republican legislators in Tallahassee tried to pass a bill that would prohibit any “county, municipality, or political subdivision of the state” from enacting laws, rules, ordinances or regulations “for the purpose of addressing wage theft.” They failed, so they tried again. This time, the bill passed the Florida House, but failed in the Senate. I'm curious what buzzwords the bill used to make it sound like it wasn't about protecting illegal actions by employers (a law designed to make it difficult to enforce laws is an absolute farce). Freedom, family, or both?
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Syjefroi posted:Greg Sargent put this out yesterday: Exactly. The only thing Tea Partiers have brought to the table is the absolute unwillingness to compromise and no shame in being open with their loathsome opinions. The idea that they are ideologically extreme when compared to their parent is a fiction created to make Republicans seem less terrible and the neutral middle to the Democratic left and the Tea Party right.
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Sword of Chomsky posted:Here's a TPM Link http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/koch-brothers-group-fighting-detroit-bankruptcy-deal I know it's the reaction they want, but when I see political cartoons with them portrayed as "wittle Koch bros being ganged up on by mean ol' liberals  " it makes me seethe with rage. They are so unashamedly evil, if we lived in an action movie, their part of the story would end with them falling out of a window to their horrible demise (I hope that doesn't count as murder porn  )
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The Insect Court posted:a neo-confederate homophone Just because his name is pronounced the same as "bog" shouldn't be a slight against him . SorryBut yeah I'm not sure how Obama lets this guy in since I know he isn't an idiot and that's the only reason I can think it would be. There's no reasonable reason that letting him in should be considered a compromise although making lovely compromises with Republicans acting in bad faith is probably going to be Obama's legacy. At least the Senate isn't having any of it.
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May 21, 2014 01:00
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At that point the narrative changed to "Well this can't be racially motivated since Zimmerman is hispanic  "
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I think they are playing with fire there. The Benghazi scandal is fiction but with the VAs there's a real problem. Any real investigation won't just be a ridiculous circle jerk about finding fake facts but will reveal that actual people are to blame and I would guess the party that loves cutting government departments might have a hand in it. Much better to fan fake flames and get your base angry over something that isn't real and thus ultimately toothless.
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ReidRansom posted:That assumes they're interested in finding the root of or solution to the issue rather than just using it as a cross on which to hang any sort of socialized health care. I don't think they are interested in finding a solution or anything other than another pointless witch hunt, but opening up that can of worms is going to involve people that are when there is an actual scandal. With Benghazi everyone except for the base knows there's nothing there and Democrats really aren't defending themselves that strongly but with the VA issue I think you are going to see fingers pointing a lot more strongly.
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If poor people were REALLY the cause since they bought houses they couldn't afford that's still the fault of people giving them loans since those people are supposed to be trained and knowledgeable in what is risky and what's not. The banks should be rejecting people that are obviously going to default because they can't afford the payments once the interest rates increase. That's why financial types try to lie and say that congress forced them to give loans to poor minorities; at least get the disingenuous messaging right.
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The poor also spent decades lobbying politicians to erode the wall separating commercial banks and securities.
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Rush posted:There's another place if none of these options work to find food; there's always the neighborhood dumpster. Now, you might find competition with homeless people there, but there are videos that have been produced to show you how to healthfully dine and how to dumpster dive and survive until school kicks back up in August. Can you imagine the benefit we would provide people? Ahahah, compassionate conservative indeed. This quote should be brought up whenever any of them even try to make a religious law as proof they don't give a poo poo about their beliefs.
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Jimbozig posted:I went to look up the ERA to see what in particular is controversial about it. Unisex bathrooms man.
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Too be fair it sounds like 3% of the electorate is determining who the most powerful person in the state is.
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Accelerationism is happening! 
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May 28, 2014 16:18
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My grandfather was in the Pacfic and hated the Japanese. However he and my dad (not sure about his other siblings) hated American cars, thought they were garbage, and only bought Japanese ones.
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It probably depends on how much their enemy enjoyed the benefits of their job.
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May 28, 2014 18:05
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I bet that was really awkward for the guy delivering it.
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I'm sure there's already an ALEC sponsored bill written up just waiting for the right time to ram through congress.
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Relentlessboredomm posted:If your blood pressure is a little low then you should pick up the new Taibbi book. This thing is a rage inducing machine. He, in his usual Taibbi way, demonstrates all the various ways the system is failing but its mostly focused on the Justice System. I'm starting to think Obama or more specifically Eric Holder is the worst thing to happen to the criminal justice system in decades. It's overwhelming how hard the shift has been. They've taken a slow drift and accelerated it exponentially. How is Holder personably responsible (I'm honestly curious)? This sounds like another thing the GOP is bitching about but for absolutely the wrong reasons.
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Thanks for the synopsis. That's way too depressing (especially with the constant "WHY ALL THE ILLEGALS OBAMA??" meme's from the conservatives) but I should probably check it out. 
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mcmagic posted:It's an equaliser over large portions of the country that would never think about joining the army though. That's something. I guess but I'm betting those people have little to no say in if we are going or not so the public outrage at sending a bunch of conscripted kids to die probably isn't going to weigh on the consciousness of serious decision-makers.
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I have hopes it will be the same people!
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Redeye Flight posted:Seriously, I'm depressed enough. I don't need more of that poo poo, it makes trying to fight for positive change even harder. Yeah while on one hand I want to be well informed, the crushing realization that the villains have won and there's little to stop them (and a large amount of their victims cheer them on) is really depressing.
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What about Taibbi's book is incorrect? I have not read it obviously so I can't vouch for its accuracy.
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Kalman posted:I'm not arguing that's too much - those guys should have been convicted. My arguments have never been that these guys should be innocent. This is the same thing I have heard from lawyers in that field. The guy that prosecuted the S&L people however thinks differently but he may be out of date I don't know since both sides know much more about this than I do. So the next question is "what can be done to actually make the system work in regards to financial crimes?" if we all agree that there should be something done.
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hangedman1984 posted:Maybe this will actually blow over and the poor guy won't have to deal with being called a traitor by the time he gets back into the country. How does this not result in immediate disbarment?
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Oh yeah I forgot about that.
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It's amusing when some conservatives aren't in on the real plan which is to strip mine the country of all wealth and be damned if that leaves it as a lifeless crater.
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