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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I support Obama and the Dems 110% and all, but poo poo like this really needs to stop:

quote:

Massachusetts pioneered universal health care in 2006. Under then-Governor Mitt Romney, it was the first state to guarantee access to insurance — and drove its uninsured rate down to just 4 percent.

Which makes it baffling that Massachusetts did arguably the worst of any state in implementing Obamacare. Like a handful of ardent Obamacare supporters in other states, Massachusetts officials tried to pull off an ambitious launch — and failed badly.

"It was a management failure," says Don Berwick, who previously oversaw health law implementation for the Obama administration and is currently a candidate for Massachusetts governor. "Like the federal system, the state should have thrown the best IT support into it."

Massachusetts decided last week to scrap the exchange it spent more than $175 million in taxpayer dollars to build. It has hundreds of thousands of Bay Staters in temporary insurance policies, placeholders for consumers who couldn't buy insurance online.

http://www.vox.com/2014/5/12/5691934/how-massachusetts-screwed-up-obamacare

What the gently caress, Massachusetts? Same poo poo happened in Oregon and Maryland, all three run by Dem governors with Dem legislatures. Not a single one of these states can fallback on the excuse that Republicans are loving things up.

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

anonumos posted:

Is the pope catholic?

No, he's a socialist.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

That Bundy Ranch ally who was begging for welfare took down his Gofundme page. :lol:

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Since we were talking about the Pope a few pages back, I did have a question that I've been wondering for a while. I'm not a Catholic, so I don't know how the Church is supposed to be run, but are Catholics supposed to follow what the Pope commands? Or is the Pope just a figurehead type person who offers suggestions and guidelines but that no one actually needs to listen to?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I find it odd that Ambassador Stevens was the one and only one person in Obama's entire administration who Republicans just absolutely adore. Hillary? Nope. Holder? Nope. Sebellius? Nope.

I guess this is all just a happy coincidence.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

El Rushbo posted:

“The Regime, Hillary, Michelle Obama sympathize with Boko Haram,” Limbaugh said. “They’re blaming the Christian Nigerian government for creating Boko Haram, and they want to get rid of the Nigerian government, because if you do that, if you appease the terror group by getting rid of the group you think is responsible for their existence, then you’ve made peace with them. You’ve made friends with them and they’ll leave us alone, or whatever convoluted thinking. I’m sorry, my ability to comprehend liberalism only goes so far.”

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/05/13/rush-limbaughs-explosive-claim-about-radical-terrorist-group-boko-haram-and-the-obama-regime/

Really love the bolded.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

JT Jag posted:

lolbertarians are basically Republicans, except with weed and gold, as previously mentioned.

Gold? How do lolbertarians and Republicans differ on that?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Paul MaudDib posted:

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/10/how-team-obama-justifies-the-killing-of-a-16-year-old-american/264028/

Seriously the man straight up said "if you're irresponsible enough to become a terrorist it's OK to murder your family". Drone strikes are openly a sword of damocles hanging over your families' heads.

Okay, that is in fact pretty bad and something I'd expect to hear from a Republican.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

I have a question about the VA scandal in the news. Conservatives like this douche are bragging about how the problems at the VA prove socialized medicine doesn't work (and for once actually uses the term "socialized medicine" in an accurate manner). But isn't one of the major problems that there's been a massive influx of veterans trying to seek medical attention in the past few years? Apparently, funding HAS increased under Obama, but it looks like it didn't increase nearly enough to compensate the veterans coming in.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Caros posted:

A...are you real?

Wait, I just read to the bottom of this and realized that you are an austrian. Since I can't find the link to my old quote on the issue, I'm going to go ahead and repeat it really quick before I go to bed.


There are a lot of things wrong with your post. Pretty much everything in fact, but this in particular is so wrong that I can't let it go unopposed.

So who are these Austrian economists? Well there are typically six to seven of them: Mark Thornton, Frank Shostak, Stefan Karlsson, Peter Schiff, Robert Wenzel, Hans F. Sennholz and Gereld Celente. I'm going to touch on them in turn:

Mark Thornton - Mark Thornton made his most public comments on this in a series of 2004 articles. These articles are noticable for recognizing that the housing market was in a bubble (which everyone knew) and that there could be a crash. Pretty much everything else in his articles, including his rationale for why the housing bubble exists (He thinks it is inflation rather than artificially low interest rates causing the giant pool of money to go looking for higher investments) is wrong. Thornton makes no mention of CDS' CDO's or any of the wonderful little instruments that caused a housing price collapse to turn into the great depression 2. Next.

Frank Shostack - gently caress I hate the formatting on Mises.org. Shostack predicted there would be a housing bubble because there was a lot of money. That is it. My loving dog could have prognosticated that. My two year old niece at the time probably mumbled something about housing prices being too high into her cereal. Next.

Stephan Karlsson - Again we have another Austrian who noticed that housing prices doubling in the course of four years was probably not a good thing. This does not mean he predicted the great recession, because the primary driving factor of the recession was not the crash of housing prices, but the freezing of the commercial paper market caused as a result of lovely practices within the banks. A housing bubble crash would have hurt, a total loss of faith in the economy caused by 40-1 leverage went well beyond that. Next.

Robert Wenzel/Raymond Sabat(its complicated) - This asshat predicted a bubble in 2004 under a pen name. Whupty loving do.

Hans loving Sennhoz - Are you sensing a pattern here? Predicted a housing bubble. Woooooo!

Gereld Celente - Yay something new! Okay, so unlike his friends Gereld Celente did actually predict the 2008 collapse. He then predicted the 2009 collapse we all remember so horribly. And the 2012 hyperinflation. Do you guys remember how:

"By 2012 America will become an undeveloped nation, that there will be a revolution marked by food riots, squatter rebellions, tax revolts and job marches, and that holidays will be more about obtaining food, not gifts. “We’re going to see the end of the retail Christmas… we’re going to see a fundamental shift take place… putting food on the table is going to be more important that putting gifts under the Christmas tree,” said Celente, adding that the situation would be “worse than the great depression"

I sure don't. Gereld Celente is a doomsayer, he's a broken clock who is right twice a day because he repeatedly says everything will be lovely.

Peter Schiff - Here we are, the shitstopper. Peter Schiff is the only Austrian economist I am aware of to have accurately predicted several major facets of the collapse years in advance. So what is his thing? Well he's like Celente... more or less.

Peter Schiff runs a company called Euro Pacific Capital and/or precious metals. The entire focus of EPC is that schiff, its founder believes that the US economy is going to end up in the toilet, so you should invest in overseas markets and especially precious metals, such as gold. Whether this hatred of the US is because of some delusion or because his father has been in and out of jail for tax evasion for decades I'm still not sure on. What is important to remember here is that Schiff thinks the US is going to bomb, he has thought this way since 1997, and he has been outspoken in it constantly.

So with that in mind Schiff is out there screaming to the heavens that the US economy is going to collapse. So what should you do? Invest in his company and buy precious metals. The man is selling a product, and that product is the idea that the US is going to collapse.

The simple fact is that Peter Schiff lost his clients money in the financial collapse. The granddaddy of all "Austrians predicted the collapse" lost loving money when it happened because his 'prediction' just involved saying the same thing he'd said every year, and the same thing he has been saying every year since. Peter Schiff has predicted hyper-inflation in the US every year since 2007. Seven years running and we are still hyper-not-inflated.

Austrians predict thousands of catastrophes annually. They are almost universally wrong because their ideology is based off of junk science. The fact that you can go back and find seven of them vaguely pointing in the direction of houses during the single largest housing bubble is not some mystical sign that they know what they were doing. I loving predicted the bubble in 2005 when I was told "You should buy a house, housing prices never go down." and thought that it was stupid. That does not mean that 23 year old me knew gently caress all what he was talking about.

Sorry for the effort post but... gently caress.

That sounds like every single one of them tried to say the same poo poo every year and eventually all of them got lucky. I don't see the distinction between Peter Schiff (who is lauded by "serious" news people) and everyone else.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Dr. Ben Carson goes on The View and eviscerates lazy welfare queens:

quote:

When you rob someone of their incentive to go out there and improve themselves, you are not doing them any favors. When you take somebody and pat them on the head and say, ‘There, there, you poor little thing. … Let me give you housing subsidies, let me give you free health care because you can’t do that.’ What would be much more empowering is to use our intellect and our resources to give those people a way up and out.”

Of course, this doesn't apply to himself, naturally:

quote:

No doubt, Mother Carson deserves tremendous credit, but – in the words of a political sound bite from the last presidential election – she didn’t do it alone. Carson, in his book, tells how his grades improved tremendously when a government program provided him with free eyeglasses because he could barely see. Not only that, in “Gifted Hands” we read this nugget: “By the time I reached ninth grade, mother had made such strides that she received nothing but food stamps. She couldn’t have provided for us and kept up the house without that subsidy.”

But it's okay! Cause Carson has a totally legit reason why it was okay for him and his family to be moochers:

quote:

It’s hard not to see Carson’s own upbringing coming into view here. He grew up in meager surroundings in Detroit and Boston, in a family that made use of public assistance programs like food stamps. The culture was different then, Carson insists. “I think there was a time when people were not proud of taking handouts,” he said. “There were more people who did have that drive and determination. You do what you have to do."

See? No hypocrisy or assholery here, no sir.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

DynamicSloth posted:

The gun nuts could show a little tact and not attack the grieving father here, all the tears in the world aren't going to touch your precious toys, they pulled twenty dead kids out of a grade school and nothing changed. This will be forgotten in a week.

Don't you mean the :airquote: victims' :airquote: families could show the courageous constitution defenders some tact?

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

Joementum posted:

"If you like your religion, you can keep your religion." ~ Bobby Jindal on Obama's position on religious liberty.

So...if you're a Christian, Obama's going to somehow take away your Christianity? How would that even work?

I know, I know. Conservative humor isn't supposed to make sense, it's just supposed to be used to attack Democrats, but still.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

agarjogger posted:

Interweb I think I'd love to know about the origins of your avatar more than I'd like to know about right-wing psychology.
You don't have to tell me, but I've been wondering for years. Pls pls!

This was way back, shortly after I registered. Originally the avatar, which was bought by someone else in the gaming section, was just a regular pic of Gabe Newell, with the text saying "Official SA Gaming News correspondent" (or something to that effect). Shortly after that, I seemed to rub someone the wrong way (I could be wrong, but I think it was Louisgod) and so he altered that pic to what it is right now.

Might not be the most exciting or interesting origin story, but there ya go.

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Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

vulturesrow posted:

So that minimum wage increase to 15$ in SeaTac is working out well. Of course there was really no way to know what might happen. :shrug:

That may be some lovely right-wing think tank/propaganda factory, but as I said in the Dittohead thread, I really hope the wage hike won't be high enough to have any significant negative impact. Conservatives will use that to argue against any min. wage increases from now until the end of time.

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