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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Boy, this show can spin its wheels. I hate Dorian Gray the most for this. Every time he shows up, everything gets put on hold for 20 minutes while he tries to gently caress whoever is in his field of vision.

Eva Green plays crazy really, really well. She also gives a really rousing performance in the "300" sequel, playing a real psychopathic turncoat Greek.

Edit: Oh yeah, that vampire fight was loving laughable. The 3 of them must have killed, what, 15 or so?

PostNouveau fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jun 22, 2014

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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Blackchamber posted:

One thing I'd like to point out as a counterpoint to the 'how did so many vampires get slaughtered so easily' argument is that we really don't know what powers and abilities they have, if any. Sure the lead one has super strength, but we don't know what his underlings could do. Van Helsing advocated putting a stake through the heart and beheading, but seemingly bullets work just as well or glass shards into the skull.

We simply can't assume that all the folklore around vampires or any other monsters are true in the Penny Dreadful world. Just pretend everything you know comes from the penny dreadful Van Helsing gave to Frankenstein, theres a seed of truth and then a lot of made up sensationalism.

If you can't do that, then I'd think you'd still have a bigger issue with why Frankenstein's monster isn't a lumbering flat-top-skull bolts in the neck wearing a bad suit monster with no intelligence.

I'm not complaining that it's unfaithful to folklore. The vampires getting their asses kicked by the dozen just means there's no drama to those fight scenes.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Goodness, I didn't expect that to be so controversial.

It doesn't matter what kind of supernatural entity they are, watching the main characters mow down cannon fodder makes for a laughably awful fight scene. I think they filmed Malcolm shooting one of them in the head once and just used three angles of the shot at separate times in the scene.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Honorific! posted:

Maybe I'm dumb and everyone else thinks this is obvious, but did Sir Malcom mean that he was Vanessa's real father? Or just that he still cared about her like a father in spite of everything? I honestly couldn't tell.

I also wondered what the hell he was getting at. I think he's saying that he already has a daughter in what she used to be, and he doesn't want the abomination she became.

Even though he was sleeping with Vanessa's mom later in life, I doubt he'd allow his son to court her if there was a chance they were half-siblings.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Opinions were split originally on Casino Royale but they've fairweathered back into people liking it because of Skyfall.

Nah, Casino Royale was real well received. 95% on rottentomatoes.

Anyway, on Dalton, I haven't seen either of his Bond films, but all the high praise of his performance makes me want to check them out. Which one is the better of the two?

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Jerusalem posted:

I agree he should just watch both, but in my opinion The Living Daylights is the superior of the two films. License to Kill tried something different and a little more personal for Bond though.

Yeah, The Living Daylights was pretty good, despite having one of the goofiest car chases ever. License to Kill was like watching an extended A-Team episode, and I gave up on it halfway through.

Dalton doesn't deserve all the flak he gets for his Bond. He's perfectly serviceable, but the material is a drag.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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What ARE they going for with Dorian Grey? I never got it.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Was Billie Piper's character awake and struggling when Viktor put her down? If so, I wonder what episode she'll regain that memory.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Well I'm looking forward to Viktor having two pissed-off undead creations making his life hell.

Actually, they may just kill him.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Mouse Dresser posted:

Can every episode have Vanessa and Victor shopping for ladies' undergarments? PLEASE?

It was just great watching them be giant weirdos out in public. Like constantly living under threat of supernatural violence has left then incapable of normality.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Blood ball scene was awesome.

I can't remember from the first season, was Ethan the only person to know the old Lily?

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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evilmiera posted:

Dorian and mr wolfie there were the only people to know her since before, I think.

Ah, ok. That explains Dorian flitting away from Angelique to Lily. Banging a reanimated corpse is way more transgressive.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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It's pretty dumb of Frankenstein to take Lily to that ball though. If it wasn't Werewolf Night for Ethan, he would have been there, and I assume Frankenstein doesn't want Ethan calling him on re-animating his dead girlfriend.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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I thought they'd never show the picture because it couldn't live up to the mystique, but then it was really good.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Kegslayer posted:

Did we miss a scene where she found out she was dead or when her past memories came back?

No scene of her admitting it that I can recall, but I think they're probably saving that reveal for when she confronts Frankenstein.

That scene was really good. I didn't think Billie Piper had it in her after the first season.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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That blood orgy was the grossest thing I've seen in awhile. Also I miss having Ethan, Vanessa and Mr. Old Dude together; these split plotlines aren't doing much for me.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Hey, the Western storyline finally got interesting. Only took them four episodes.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Ethan saying the Lord's Prayer was so dumb. Like something a 10-year-old would do to be pissy.

I want a cursed mummy plot out of Lyle's move to Cairo.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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The vampires crawling around is not as unsettling as the directors seem to think it is. It's more goofy than anything.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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Nordick posted:

Also I dread to find out what there is in store for Goonenstein's Monster, I have zero faith that something won't go horribly wrong for him. Probably his family will be eaten by ghouls or someshit.

loving good. He killed Proteus.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

What I got from it is he still desires Lily/Brona, he just wants the more easily-manageable version Victor's pitching. What I hope is they go in an interesting direction and have Jekyll's concoction turn Lily into the monster *he* created.

"Oh hey, seems my wonder drug can only cure Scotsmen of being cunts. When introduced into homicidal Irish whores it makes their accent come back and gives them the ability to breathe fire. Oh well, I never liked London much anyway, Old Man. Shall we away to Marrakesh? Drugs are *really* cheap down there."

Everyone needs to flee to Cairo, not Marrakesh, so they can do a mummy season with Lyle if they get picked up for next year.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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ShakeZula posted:

http://variety.com/2016/tv/news/penny-dreadful-ending-season-3-series-finale-creator-interview-john-logan-david-nevins-1201798946/

Did you guys see this interview? Really sounds like ending the show was Logan's idea, and Nevins seems like such a fan that I actually believe him when he said Showtime would have happily made more seasons.

I actually liked the resolutions for most of the characters. I was bummed that Vanessa's was seemingly just "give up," but Logan's rationale actually rings true to me, and I like it more on reflection.

Bullshit. They brought on Dr. Jekyll and this new character clearly as a setup for future seasons.

I wonder what her deal was going to be. I was half expecting a Van Helsing reveal this episode.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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And More posted:

Having now watched the episodes, it was really good until the final battle. Then everything just went down the drain. Vanessa's death was especially terrible. It felt so out of character for her. Giving up seemed like the one thing she would have never done. All her victories from previous seasons, and all the progress she had made by coming out of her depression this season, and then she just gives up? :(

I was hoping she was playing Dracula the whole time. Without any kind of twist, the real point where this all fell apart was the 3rd from the last episode.

She goes to the museum intending to kill Dracula, and then in the span of like two minutes completely gives up and agrees to bring darkness over the whole world because he says he can accept her for the hosed up creature she is. That's all it took? If only Mina had known how easily she could have turned her.

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PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

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On the positive side, I liked Lily and Dorian's ending a lot. That last shot of Dorian was really, really good.

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