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Jim butcher being a white midwesterner attempting to write a series set in an actual, diverse, multicultural city and attempting to write characters who aren't white midwestern Christians is not a sin. But uuhhh it's okay to admit that he's really not the best person suited for it, and these pulpy books have flaws. Please think of what the future will say about your post history on somethingawful, when it comes to light that you wrote 10000 words defending Harry Dresden's latest 2 page description of a woman that fails to mention anything besides what she's wearing and how her figure looks in it.
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Gygaxian posted:Eh, that's not all there is to it, and there's actually quite a few supernatural legends Mormons have or used to have of various areas in the American Southwest. For example, an old Mormon folk tale had a Mormon bishop encountering Bigfoot, and it turns out that Bigfoot is Cain. Cain and Abel Cain, to be precise. Or Mormon-themed ghost stories, and so forth. And Mormons can match Catholics in the whole "objects involved in religious history are really important" thing. Please don't steal butcher's basic idea of women or minorities or gay people.
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i am eagerly awaiting the next disaster to strike Murphy in the new book. At this point, its a sick game to see how butcher can marginalize her yet keep bringing her back. i predict the final trilogy opens with dresden finding her stuffed in his fridge.
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Feb 9, 2016 01:53
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No, theyre friends it's okay man. Friendship is magic.
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Mar 15, 2016 16:36
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Blasphemeral posted:I'm not saying it makes using such names for people OK, just that if you haven't had a friendship where you each call each other horribly offensive and terrible names, you haven't lived. so when our pov character is constantly staring at every woman he meets and constantly thinking about sex with them and their bodies and how hot they look doing what they're doing right now what is being suggested?
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Mar 15, 2016 18:48
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Blasphemeral posted:We weren't even talking about this, and it feels like you're getting a bit surly and just trying to pick fights. Seriously? I'm just pointing out a flaw in an already bad argument. You can't pick and choose when to use that line of thinking. Nobody is trying to pick a fight, but theres a lot of resistance to the idea that the books have some glaring issues that really stand out especially on a second or third read. 2nd edit: Not every person in the world thinks its okay to say offensive things, even to close friends. Some people have those kinds of friendships or those sorts of personalities, but that isn't universal. And that kind of attitude is mixed company is actually pretty offensive.
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Mar 15, 2016 19:49
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Wheat Loaf posted:That might be it - that it's somehow gratuitous. But I really don't know. It doesn't work at all for me but I'm honestly not sure why. I didn't like it because nerd references already litter the books. When it starts to bleed into the actual storyline of the series (and in the worst book) it gets to be too much.
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Skippy McPants posted:You think Cold Days is the worst book? The star trek scene happens in ghost story
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Mar 16, 2016 18:32
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It's bad and you should feel bad for liking it.
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Mars4523 posted:How is Ghost Story the worst book in a series where Fool Moon exists? Because fool moon was so over the top bad it ends up being fun like a really bad movie. ghost story is just bad
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Mar 16, 2016 21:50
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Spun Dog posted:Did one of those have the Ramirez duel in the deeps? I really liked that chapter. White night did. Basically both books got better at the end when the metaplot of the series took over, but the porn studio and the coven of middle aged women struggled to keep me interested. Also white night had a flashback or two to the warden training camp in the desert that was good.
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Mar 16, 2016 22:08
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Rygar201 posted:Is their some reason people hate the nerd references? It's pulpy genre fiction. It's not like you're reading the Next Great American Novel. Because I already realize that Jim Butcher is a nerd. Jim Butcher does not hide where he gets his inspiration from, and thats okay. I liked a lot of that stuff too. But I don't need to be reminded of it constantly, and we are rapidly reaching a point in the series where every other character has a seat at the dungeons and dragons table, and nerd references are actually becoming the story. It's pulpy genre fiction, not fan fiction.
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anilEhilated posted:I didn't really get the rage over that. The Swords could adapt to their owners' personalities and Butters is a nerd, seems pretty fitting. Sorry mate, but you can't justify this in-universe. That's on Jim Butcher, not the characters.
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Paragon8 posted:Nothing beats Butcher and Titania having a conversation about his opinion on gay men.
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tentacles posted:If you think Trixie Vixen is a loving absurd caricature then life has been uncharacteristically kind to you What precisely do you think about people who would have sex on camera for money?
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tentacles posted:On the other hand, you don't put forth pornography as a valid life choice, which means you have a functioning brain and and/or have spoken with an actual female person at least once in your life, and think of them as people 0_o
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Tunicate posted:My biggest disappointment with little chicago was how it was destroyed. metaphorically, ghost story is the next great chicago fire
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at the time that I read whichever story introduced it, i got the impression most or all of the black council was infected.
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Apr 6, 2016 23:10
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And I thought I read fast.
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ImpAtom posted:I used words poorly and meant more around 4-ish. ive never read any sex scene in every dresden book
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jng2058 posted:the real world is pretty much nothing but assholes. Cops? They're all thugs who beat potential suspects without a shred of due process. Priests? Sanctimonious pricks or religious zealots. Exorcists? Miserable assholes taking advantage of the dead for their own profit to a one. The people trying to protect the rights of the dead? Fanatic murderers. Sounds accurate to me!
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Mars4523 posted:There was that fun part where Butcher took a predominantly black neighborhood in Chicago that actually is fairly affluent and turned it into a crime ridden ghetto, to be saved only by the vigilante action of a bunch of white college students. I think I read a blog post or a series of bloggers discussing this a few years back where they were calling him out on this.
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May 7, 2016 18:55
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you could just skip to book 3, or even book four and miss almost nothing.
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Sep 8, 2016 22:31
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Murphy will become progressively more crippled book by book, until she legally changes her name to barbara in the last book and provides communications and logistics support from the literal bat-cave.
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Wade Wilson posted:The White Court *does* feed on things other than lust. No, those are the evil white court. The good guys in the white court are the rapists.
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Wade Wilson posted:Pretty sure that's exactly what I posted, except I gave more details. Ah, sorry, I was being facetious. you see, to me, rapists are also bad, they're all bad.
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Maggie Dresden and the sorcerer's stone
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Maggie Dresden and the half-blood incubus
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Maggie Dresden and the prisoner of alcatraz
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Sep 27, 2016 23:11
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why is everything of importance located in chicago?? maggie dresden and the order of the alphas
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Darkrenown posted:Actually, why does Bianca have such a killboner? If I remember right she thinks Harry killed one of her workers, but why would a rather old vampire care so much about a human - especially when it risks getting into a fight with the White Council which is at this point the undisputed magical heavyweight champion of the world? Now the Red Court are planning to challenge this, but if she knows about the coming war it's all the more reason not to kick it off early and if she doesn't know about it then why is the risking starting something with the Council? I think the implication in Storm Front and Grave peril was that the confrontation between them in book 1 was lingering. She held a grudge or Harry had seen through her pretenses or something. The plot of Grave Peril just being about bait for creating an excuse for war is better than reconciling anything from the first book with later stuff.
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Oct 9, 2016 23:01
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it was the start of KinPhy
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Dresden often says Marcone is criminal scum bla bla bla, but Butcher often ends up making Marcone look like some kind of gangster with a heart of gold who only murdered all his competition in Chicago because of a tragic accident in his past and now he's expanding his role into a wacky supernatural mafia also because of his tragic past?
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FRINGE posted:Intelligent sociopaths dont act like movie monsters. They strive to be likable and trustable. They want to achieve things. Unless that scene from one of the worst books in the series ends up getting ignored retconned or forgotten. Marcone has really become a weird person after all these appearances. Half of his role in any given book is to be a plot device to get Dresden across the finish line. But I guess he still hates Dresden and has like, some secret plot to bring him down one day? Obviously Harry hates him despite all the help. Up Circle fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Nov 3, 2016 |
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Perhaps this is because I've been exposed to a lot more Urban Fantasy and the vast majority of them are incredibly whitebread while the Dresden Files have a Black Atheist Russian, a Jewish recurring character, two major female characters with their own agency (and the Rulers of all Fairydom are women), and while eye-rollingly preachy I give the author credit for taking the time to step back and have the main character address that he doesn't think homophobia is cool. Which, honestly, is a great thing.
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ImpAtom posted:Eh. I think Jim Butcher has issues (as everyone does) but I think he also is the kind of person genuinely trying to improve himself. Stuff like the ridiculous-rear end gay commentary thing from the Queen/Dresden is embarrassing but it's also the kind of embarrassing coming from a 45 year old nerd with a religious background who's trying to improve. Lara Raith is a character which is a poor representations for bisexual women and the "Vamp" but she's still a character who wields major authority in the setting, as does Luccio, Mab, and other women. I'm fond of the character of Elaine as well. The character of Susan Rodriguez is a character I think also deserves credit because her entire story arc is a subversion of the story arc we'd normally get from a woman like her. Despite being Harry's ex and the mother of his child, it's made very clear that her relationship with him is less important to her than the larger cause she's devoted her to. We almost never see a woman choose career over family since this is almost an exclusively male decision in fiction. We see the majority of characters are the wife, girlfriend, or mothers of others because the cast is relatively interconnected. Andi is Butter's girlfriend but she's arguably just as important a character as him. Is there room for improvement? Absolutely. I don't think the books are as male and white dominated as you think. It's why readers have suggested making one (or more!) of Michael's children gay. But yes, I cringe when Jim Butcher makes "harmless" jokes like the earring bit.
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Aerdan posted:For what it's worth, it's really not that uncommon for people to not interact with people of other races enough to get to know them, particularly if they live in segregated communities (which is increasingly common these days). It would actually be more unrealistic for a white wizard-nerd to interact with a lot of people of colour that he knows well enough to know their names. The only significant depiction of gay men in one of the biggest cities in the us is gay men cruising in a park and a moral lesson in monogamy??
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Can someone spoil it for me?
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are her pubes diamonds yet
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